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Wed Feb-09-11 04:59 AM
Response to Reply #71 |
| 73. So if worse comes to power after Mubarak, it's the will of the people and so be it - right Ken? |
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Edited on Wed Feb-09-11 05:01 AM by shira
Theocratic rule? So what, that's what the people voted in. War with Israel, okay whatever...  I think the Attaturk example is the way to go for real democracy to take shape. |
| -Could Syria see an uprising like Egypt's? Not likely. |
shira |
Feb-05-11 07:15 AM |
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Report: Hizbullah fighters deployed in sensitive areas in Syria |
shira |
Feb-05-11 07:16 AM |
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Google Translate: Syria: a thousand Hezbollah fighters to protect the regime and punishing events |
shira |
Feb-05-11 07:20 AM |
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Altogether unlikely... |
shaayecanaan |
Feb-05-11 08:24 AM |
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Sure sounds like horseshit. nt |
bemildred |
Feb-05-11 10:02 AM |
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quote from "Syria’s Assad talks of reform as protests loom" |
shira |
Feb-05-11 09:05 AM |
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Hard to say. |
bemildred |
Feb-05-11 10:00 AM |
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Freedom House rates Syria's human rights situation worse than Egypt's. NT |
shira |
Feb-05-11 12:01 PM |
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I am not defending the Syrian dictatorship. |
bemildred |
Feb-05-11 12:04 PM |
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I didn't say you were. NT |
shira |
Feb-05-11 12:15 PM |
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Egypt proved it |
whosinpower |
Feb-05-11 10:04 AM |
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Syria is far more brutal against protests than Egypt has shown to be. NT |
shira |
Feb-05-11 11:58 AM |
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It all depends on the loyalty of the military. |
bemildred |
Feb-05-11 12:03 PM |
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It's too bad there's no support for Syrian protestors compared to support for Egyptians. N/T |
shira |
Feb-05-11 03:38 PM |
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Well, that's an interesting point. |
bemildred |
Feb-05-11 04:40 PM |
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You might want to Google the Hama massacre |
oberliner |
Feb-06-11 06:15 PM |
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Don't be unpleasant, I haven't accused you of being ignorant. nt |
bemildred |
Feb-06-11 06:59 PM |
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There was no unpleasantness in my post |
oberliner |
Feb-06-11 08:29 PM |
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You implied I don't know about Hama. |
bemildred |
Feb-06-11 09:52 PM |
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Did not know if you knew about it |
oberliner |
Feb-07-11 08:54 AM |
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I hope you are right! |
LeftishBrit |
Feb-06-11 11:15 AM |
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just dropped by for a second.... |
pelsar |
Feb-06-11 03:00 PM |
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That was old man Assad... |
shaayecanaan |
Feb-06-11 06:14 PM |
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Does it remain to be seen? |
oberliner |
Feb-06-11 06:17 PM |
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Would you say poverty has something to do the uprising in Egypt? |
azurnoir |
Feb-06-11 07:59 PM |
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Absolutely |
oberliner |
Feb-06-11 08:31 PM |
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It depends on how you define poverty... |
shaayecanaan |
Feb-06-11 11:32 PM |
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again history is to be ignored... |
pelsar |
Feb-07-11 12:10 AM |
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He's actually an opthalmologist... |
shaayecanaan |
Feb-07-11 01:42 AM |
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Don't forget the Kurds. They got gassed you know. |
bemildred |
Feb-07-11 07:42 AM |
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correction on little assads past profession... |
pelsar |
Feb-07-11 03:21 PM |
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In the Middle East, a liberal democracy would be too Zionist... |
shira |
Feb-07-11 05:33 PM |
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2005: Abbas triumphs in Palestinian elections |
azurnoir |
Feb-08-11 12:10 PM |
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2005 : Big Hamas win in Gaza's election |
oberliner |
Feb-08-11 04:04 PM |
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that is indeed 'odd':Washington Post Foreign Service Friday, January 27, 2006 |
azurnoir |
Feb-08-11 04:26 PM |
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The Guardian, 29 January 2005: Hamas wins Gaza Strip council vote |
oberliner |
Feb-08-11 09:17 PM |
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the Gaza Council was an occupation government , elections were held again a year later when the PA |
azurnoir |
Feb-09-11 02:37 AM |
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An occupation government? |
oberliner |
Feb-10-11 08:23 AM |
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weren't those elections held while Gaza was under total Israeli occupation ? |
azurnoir |
Feb-08-11 04:31 PM |
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"Thousands of Hamas supporters took to the streets of Gaza yesterday to celebrate the victory" |
oberliner |
Feb-08-11 09:19 PM |
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then why were elections held a year later?They were the Gaza Council elections not the PA elections |
azurnoir |
Feb-09-11 02:35 AM |
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Once again you seem to fail to recognize that Israel was in total control and occupation of Gaza |
azurnoir |
Feb-09-11 02:59 AM |
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Total control of Gaza ended with Oslo II in 1995 |
oberliner |
Feb-10-11 06:44 AM |
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elections do not define a democracy... |
pelsar |
Feb-09-11 02:08 AM |
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yes much like Israel we're constantly lead to believe that Kadima should |
azurnoir |
Feb-09-11 02:42 AM |
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confused? |
pelsar |
Feb-09-11 03:23 AM |
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South Africa was also a democacy during apartheid |
azurnoir |
Feb-09-11 08:34 AM |
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same confusion..... |
pelsar |
Feb-09-11 09:06 AM |
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no 'confusion' what so ever at the moment there is no single value at work in Egypt |
azurnoir |
Feb-09-11 09:31 AM |
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too bad..wrong again |
pelsar |
Feb-09-11 02:13 PM |
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apparently sarcasm is lost on you my point is that Israel is not afraid |
azurnoir |
Feb-09-11 03:13 PM |
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no we're not afraid |
pelsar |
Feb-10-11 12:54 AM |
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well there are some here that at least until very recently pumping the idea |
azurnoir |
Feb-10-11 12:24 PM |
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then prices go up...as they have been recently |
pelsar |
Feb-10-11 03:03 PM |
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Israel clearly "neglects" civil rights for its citizens. Does that negate its status as a democracy |
ProgressiveMuslim |
Feb-11-11 05:43 AM |
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which citizens? |
pelsar |
Feb-11-11 09:25 AM |
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Feb-11-11 09:53 AM |
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i would agree that i am a cultural elitist.... |
pelsar |
Feb-11-11 11:36 AM |
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Then again, Kadima is ALSO essentially a right-wing party. |
Ken Burch |
Feb-09-11 03:30 AM |
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And the USA is more rightwing than Israel while Egypt has no leftwing. So...? n/t |
shira |
Feb-09-11 03:42 AM |
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Egypt has a huge leftwing...it's part of the democratic revolution that's overthrowing Mubarak |
Ken Burch |
Feb-09-11 03:45 AM |
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Okay, what is their political agenda? What exactly do they stand for? Be specific please. n/t |
shira |
Feb-09-11 04:08 AM |
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Here is a list of their demands, as quoted by the Associated Press |
Ken Burch |
Feb-09-11 04:12 AM |
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Doesn't sound any different than what Palestinians wanted 5 years ago, and received with Hamas. |
shira |
Feb-09-11 04:16 AM |
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Why should I bother with this exchange? |
Ken Burch |
Feb-09-11 04:25 AM |
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So you're behind an Egyptian political movement that you hope isn't as grossly rightwing as Mubarak |
shira |
Feb-09-11 04:30 AM |
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You know perfectly well that the revolt against Mubarak is not a call for sharia |
Ken Burch |
Feb-09-11 04:38 AM |
#71 |
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So if worse comes to power after Mubarak, it's the will of the people and so be it - right Ken? |
shira |
Feb-09-11 04:59 AM |
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You can't keep Egypt a one-party state for decades to come. |
Ken Burch |
Feb-09-11 10:56 AM |
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So you're for the will of the people if they vote for theocracy and more conflict vs. Israel? n/t |
shira |
Feb-10-11 04:59 PM |
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You can't reduce the question to that |
Ken Burch |
Feb-10-11 11:18 PM |
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Do you believe Kach should be able to run in Israel or the Nazi party in any western democracy? |
shira |
Feb-11-11 04:13 AM |
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It is NEVER that simple-stop repeating a meaningless question. |
Ken Burch |
Feb-11-11 10:42 AM |
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You're avoiding the question. Here's another: How is Kach worse than the Muslim Brotherhood? |
shira |
Feb-11-11 04:23 PM |
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The question is irrelevant |
Ken Burch |
Feb-11-11 07:41 PM |
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No it's not - and electing a Hamas or MB into power, when such an organization will never allow... |
shira |
Feb-11-11 08:38 PM |
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I just realized the rhetorical trick you did. |
Ken Burch |
Feb-09-11 04:35 AM |
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It was no trick, it was a routine Zionist plot. |
shira |
Feb-11-11 04:47 PM |
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so?....it has right wing coalition... |
pelsar |
Feb-09-11 05:19 AM |
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I accept that the Israeli electorate has the right to make its choices |
Ken Burch |
Feb-09-11 04:21 PM |
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Kind of an oversimplification. |
Shaktimaan |
Feb-09-11 03:26 PM |
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I didn't attribute the entirety of Kadima's creation to racism |
Ken Burch |
Feb-09-11 04:20 PM |
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Okay... |
Shaktimaan |
Feb-09-11 05:06 PM |
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He was defeated by Amir Peretz |
Ken Burch |
Feb-09-11 05:32 PM |
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Your view is a little outdated in my opinion. |
Shaktimaan |
Feb-09-11 06:28 PM |
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"which didn't fail to slaughter thousands of innocent Lebanese civilians" |
oberliner |
Feb-10-11 06:55 AM |
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Feb-10-11 10:48 AM |
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Agreed |
shaayecanaan |
Feb-07-11 06:29 PM |
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There is not a "democratic process in Iran which is generally meaningful" |
oberliner |
Feb-08-11 11:10 AM |
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There have been six presidents of Iran since 1980... |
shaayecanaan |
Feb-08-11 06:21 PM |
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Three of those six presidents were elected with over 90 percent of the vote |
oberliner |
Feb-08-11 06:55 PM |
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Perhaps in some cases its because they were the best candidate... |
shaayecanaan |
Feb-08-11 08:15 PM |
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The "independent human rights activist called Banisdar" was impeached in a year |
oberliner |
Feb-08-11 09:12 PM |
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You previously implied that Banisadr was illegitimate |
shaayecanaan |
Feb-08-11 10:04 PM |
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You keep ignoring the presence of the Supreme Leader in each of your posts |
oberliner |
Feb-08-11 10:29 PM |
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Deeply flawed, extremely flawed, very flawed |
shaayecanaan |
Feb-09-11 12:03 AM |
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No response, eh? |
shaayecanaan |
Feb-09-11 06:04 PM |
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and with the son... |
pelsar |
Feb-07-11 12:12 AM |
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Feb-07-11 11:41 AM |
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Democratically electing another dictator/tyrant for life sucks, don't you think? |
shira |
Feb-07-11 05:12 PM |
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A "genuine liberal democracy" can NEVER be created |
Ken Burch |
Feb-07-11 11:34 PM |
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It wasn't created by replacing the Czar w/ Stalin, the Shah w/ Khomeini or the PA w/Hamas.... |
shira |
Feb-08-11 04:49 AM |
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The Tsar WASN'T replaced by Stalin-Stalin came along later. |
Ken Burch |
Feb-08-11 05:35 AM |
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Ah - but who installed the Shah? |
whosinpower |
Feb-08-11 11:46 AM |
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wasn't the CIA instrumental in installing the Shah's artificial monarchy? |
azurnoir |
Feb-08-11 12:22 PM |
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yes |
whosinpower |
Feb-08-11 12:44 PM |
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Mussadegh's major crime was nationalizing the oil, which was controlled by the soon-to-be-extinct |
Ken Burch |
Feb-09-11 04:54 AM |
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The US assisted Iran in replacing Mossadegh - so an overthrow was most likely inevitable |
shira |
Feb-10-11 05:01 PM |
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Nobody in Iran WANTED Mossadegh overthrown |
Ken Burch |
Feb-10-11 11:19 PM |
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What about the 1989-90 revolts in Eastern Europe? |
LeftishBrit |
Feb-11-11 11:09 AM |
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Ideology vs. Empirical evidence and rational reasoning |
shira |
Feb-11-11 04:32 PM |
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What indicators are you talking about? |
Ken Burch |
Feb-11-11 08:50 PM |
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And yet another strawman, as I've never indicated the protests are a MB conspiracy. |
shira |
Feb-11-11 10:07 PM |
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No, that is NOT a certainty. |
Ken Burch |
Feb-11-11 10:11 PM |
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It's not a certainy because you have blind faith a strong secular/liberal party will emerge. |
shira |
Feb-12-11 05:45 AM |
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Syria: 'A kingdom of silence' |
bemildred |
Feb-09-11 12:32 PM |
#79 |
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