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RZM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-13-10 05:55 PM
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4. Your analysis has some problems
We didn't 'stop Russia from invading Afghanistan' as the Soviets did invade and spent almost a decade there. Also, to claim that the the Soviets were 'rooting out the fundamentalists' is only partially true and misses the larger point. Soviet troops entered to shore up the brutal Afghan Communist regime and also to resolve a nasty internal dispute at the top, which they achieved in a commando raid on the presidential palace in December 1979, killing just about everybody inside, including the President.

The resistance did have a fundamentalist character, but not entirely -- the Afghan Communist government was hated for a lot of reasons by a lot of people, not all of them having to do with religion. It is true that US aid often ended up in the hands of the most fundamentalist Mujahideen group (there were seven main ones), mainly because it was funneled through Pakistan, who cultivated the most fundamentalist group as their proxies/pets, a game they continued to play long after the war ended and are still playing today. You almost seem to be making the argument that the Soviets were 'fighting the good fight' in Afghanistan, which is pretty far from the truth, as the Soviet campaign was widely acknowledged as precipitating a human rights disaster - I've forgotten the exact number, but at times in the 1980s, Afghans constituted a large percentage of the world's raw total of 'displaced persons.'
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  -British politician: ‘Israel is the root cause of terrorism' shira  Nov-13-10 05:26 PM   #0 
  - Anti-Semitic themes found in mainstream British circles  shira   Nov-13-10 05:28 PM   #1 
  - Disagree - I remember more antisemitic conspiracy talk in mainstream circles in the 80s than now.  LeftishBrit   Nov-14-10 03:44 AM   #14 
     - Right, yet another organization specializing in Antisemitism that overstates the problem.  shira   Nov-14-10 01:31 PM   #18 
        - They don't overstate the problem; they UNDERSTATE the problem in the past  LeftishBrit   Nov-15-10 08:05 AM   #30 
           - Here is a link to a recent survey by the ADL...  LeftishBrit   Nov-15-10 08:13 AM   #31 
  - Actually I would say the US is the root cause of terrorism  Drale   Nov-13-10 05:32 PM   #2 
  - Your last sentence goes all the way back to 1953  Angry Dragon   Nov-13-10 05:54 PM   #3 
  - Your analysis has some problems  RZM   Nov-13-10 05:55 PM   #4 
  - hmm  WhiteTara   Nov-13-10 06:17 PM   #5 
  - "A", not "The".  Donald Ian Rankin   Nov-13-10 07:18 PM   #6 
  - The vast majority of terror worldwide is committed by Muslims against Muslims...  shira   Nov-13-10 07:50 PM   #7 
     - Oh my God!  alanquatermass   Nov-13-10 08:33 PM   #8 
        - A fair and quite accurate assessment of shira's position.  Celtic Merlin   Nov-13-10 09:59 PM   #9 
        - I know, right? So fucking transparent...  alanquatermass   Nov-13-10 10:04 PM   #10 
        - Failed State  ishaneferguson   Nov-13-10 10:26 PM   #11 
        - Oh Lord we have soooo failed this test --  alanquatermass   Nov-13-10 10:31 PM   #12 
        - Deleted message  Name removed   Nov-14-10 05:30 AM   #15 
           - Shira, please...  alanquatermass   Nov-14-10 01:18 PM   #16 
           - I'm not surprised you give a free pass to 3rd world totalitarian despots...  shira   Nov-14-10 01:28 PM   #17 
              - Second that on Lady Tonge and wonder about her  arcticken   Nov-14-10 01:42 PM   #19 
              - Lady Tonge sounds like a raging asshole, however...  alanquatermass   Nov-14-10 02:29 PM   #20 
              - Great - so your respected sources are racists and bigots who couldn't give a crap about 3rd world...  shira   Nov-14-10 05:40 PM   #21 
                 - Margret Mead was a racist? n/t  azurnoir   Nov-14-10 06:09 PM   #22 
                    - You don't see anything wrong with the cultural relativism alan is talking about?  shira   Nov-14-10 06:34 PM   #23 
                       - Crickets. Maybe that silence should be telling you something  alanquatermass   Nov-14-10 09:58 PM   #25 
                       - Yeah, tells me I'm right. Now for you, here's cultural relativism running wild...  shira   Nov-15-10 04:31 AM   #26 
                          - Once again the UN praised Sri Lanka for ending its civil war  azurnoir   Nov-15-10 07:35 AM   #28 
                             - Are you kidding? Read this...  shira   Nov-15-10 04:25 PM   #32 
                                - still does not prove your claim that the UN praised Sri Lanka for human rights abuses  azurnoir   Nov-15-10 04:38 PM   #35 
                                   - EDITED: Do you think the UN did the right thing WRT Sri Lanka?  shira   Nov-15-10 04:43 PM   #36 
                                      - UN chief sets up panel on Sri Lanka war  azurnoir   Nov-15-10 05:04 PM   #39 
                       - shira this the I/P forum now I do understand that you would much rather that we debate  azurnoir   Nov-15-10 07:58 AM   #29 
                          - So criticizing Palestinian leadership for mistreatment of Palestinians isn't valid here for I/P?  shira   Nov-15-10 04:30 PM   #33 
                             - can you ever be honest shira? I certainly did not say that it is invalid to  azurnoir   Nov-15-10 04:46 PM   #37 
                                - So why did you say this is the I/P forum WRT bringing up Hamas/PLO abuse of Palestinians?  shira   Nov-15-10 04:51 PM   #38 
                                   - because it really is not part of the conflict but on that thought  azurnoir   Nov-15-10 05:07 PM   #40 
                                      - Actually, what Arab regimes and Pal'n leadership has done to Pal'ns is a HUGE part of the conflict  shira   Nov-15-10 07:32 PM   #41 
                                         - you mean comparing the way Israel treats it's citizens as compared to the way  azurnoir   Nov-15-10 07:51 PM   #42 
              - Deleted message  Name removed   Nov-15-10 04:52 AM   #27 
                 - Deleted message  Name removed   Nov-15-10 04:30 PM   #34 
           - Sir Mark Sykes  ishaneferguson   Nov-14-10 07:07 PM   #24 
  - Jenny Tonge again! Typical  LeftishBrit   Nov-14-10 03:38 AM   #13 
  - All terrorism? No. Terrorism against the west? She might be right  ProgressiveMajority   Nov-15-10 10:01 PM   #43 
     - The organ theft claims didn't turn out to be true  LeftishBrit   Nov-16-10 02:35 AM   #44 
     - Right ?  ishaneferguson   Nov-16-10 01:33 PM   #45 
 

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