Recursion
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Mon Sep-06-10 05:21 PM
Response to Reply #53 |
| 55. I could slime out of this and say "the actual target was Israel's sense of collective security" |
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Edited on Mon Sep-06-10 05:24 PM by Recursion
But, yes, clearly the actual target here were those killed, and I take your point.
EDIT: I don't completely abandon my claim, though: I think they were put there, deliberately, to make Palestinian attacks on the occupation involve civilian casualties.
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| -Hamas official: Israeli settlers are a legitimate military target |
oberliner |
Sep-04-10 09:47 AM |
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How about this pregnant woman they targeted? Was she a legit target? |
USArmyParatrooper |
Sep-04-10 10:11 AM |
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When I was pregnant I studiously avoided placing myself |
Crunchy Frog |
Sep-07-10 10:04 PM |
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I note from the article(link)that HAMAS fired... |
hayu_lol |
Sep-04-10 10:17 AM |
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First of all... |
parkia00 |
Sep-04-10 11:25 AM |
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They are sounding desperate |
whosinpower |
Sep-04-10 10:36 AM |
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As long as Hamas is in charge there will be no peace |
sellitman |
Sep-04-10 10:57 AM |
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HAMAS was elected... |
hayu_lol |
Sep-04-10 06:25 PM |
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Hamas self-appointed themselves rulers of Gaza....they were never elected for that role. |
shira |
Sep-04-10 06:31 PM |
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Their role in Gaza was determined by AK-47, not the ballot |
ProgressiveProfessor |
Sep-05-10 10:48 AM |
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But they did win the election |
Recursion |
Sep-06-10 04:09 PM |
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So? The PA was in charge of security and had every right to disarm Hamas. n/t |
shira |
Sep-06-10 06:09 PM |
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Not quite correct |
Chulanowa |
Sep-06-10 04:18 PM |
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No, Hamas winning parliamentary majority doesn't give them the right to rule militarily. n/t |
shira |
Sep-06-10 06:10 PM |
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That has fuck all to do with anything I said, I'm afraid |
Chulanowa |
Sep-06-10 06:25 PM |
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Actually it does. Even if Hamas loses in elections, they will continue to rule Gaza by gun.... |
shira |
Sep-06-10 06:58 PM |
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They very well might do that. And I'm worried that they will |
Chulanowa |
Sep-06-10 11:33 PM |
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My response.... |
shira |
Sep-07-10 05:19 AM |
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Well, let's hope we're both pleasantly surprised n/t |
Chulanowa |
Sep-08-10 01:20 PM |
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You seriously believe that Fatah staged a violent coup attempt? |
oberliner |
Sep-06-10 08:10 PM |
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So it was like the 6 day war |
Recursion |
Sep-07-10 08:22 AM |
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Well, I don't entirely buy the Hamas/Vanity Fair version of what happened |
oberliner |
Sep-07-10 10:20 AM |
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They remain in power because the US, Israel and Fatah don't want elections. |
ProgressiveMuslim |
Sep-13-10 01:15 PM |
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Hamas is the reason Gaza suffers. |
sellitman |
Sep-05-10 10:31 PM |
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Channeling Madeline Albright, are we? n/t |
Chulanowa |
Sep-06-10 04:28 PM |
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Actually, Hamas has indicated a willingness to consider a two-state approach |
Ken Burch |
Sep-04-10 06:35 PM |
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Hamas has called for a limited ceasefire based on 2 states with full RoR. n/t |
shira |
Sep-04-10 06:37 PM |
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Oh the HORROR!!!! 2 states with R-o-R!!!! OMG!!! |
ProgressiveMuslim |
Sep-13-10 01:16 PM |
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Hamas has only claimed they want total destruction of the Zionist State |
sellitman |
Sep-05-10 10:43 PM |
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I oppose what Hamas did to these people.... |
Ken Burch |
Sep-04-10 06:32 PM |
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You should have stopped before |
issy98 |
Sep-06-10 03:39 PM |
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Sep-06-10 03:45 PM |
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Human shields are always morally problematic |
Recursion |
Sep-06-10 03:55 PM |
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"Human-shield". You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means. n/t |
shira |
Sep-06-10 04:05 PM |
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It means exactly what I'm saying it means |
Recursion |
Sep-06-10 04:08 PM |
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Wouldn't all Israelis be "human sheilds" by that definition? |
oberliner |
Sep-06-10 05:14 PM |
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Only for the "into the sea" crowd |
Recursion |
Sep-06-10 05:17 PM |
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I don't agree with your analysis here |
oberliner |
Sep-06-10 05:19 PM |
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Apparently all Palestinians are... |
shaayecanaan |
Sep-06-10 10:44 PM |
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Sep-06-10 11:36 PM |
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except that it is very real. |
Shaktimaan |
Sep-11-10 05:10 AM |
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Sep-06-10 04:16 PM |
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Let's be clear: the 1.3 million in Gaza weren't "put there" by Palestinian |
ProgressiveMuslim |
Sep-13-10 01:19 PM |
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Why is it so important to have people say |
Ken Burch |
Sep-06-10 05:04 PM |
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self-delete. n/t |
shira |
Sep-06-10 03:43 PM |
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I don't think Hamas is right, but |
Crunchy Frog |
Sep-04-10 07:28 PM |
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No need to wonder, we know what has happened to |
Dick Dastardly |
Sep-04-10 11:20 PM |
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You make some bad arguments |
Chulanowa |
Sep-06-10 03:53 PM |
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So you consider Arab Israelis to be the settlers |
shaayecanaan |
Sep-06-10 10:45 PM |
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And? |
Chulanowa |
Sep-06-10 12:33 AM |
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let's follow your analogy more... |
Shaktimaan |
Sep-06-10 03:55 AM |
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Are you really asking this? |
Chulanowa |
Sep-06-10 02:29 PM |
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Some of that property over the 1949 armistice line was Jewish owned prior to 1949. That's why... |
shira |
Sep-06-10 03:49 PM |
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well, that's an interesting stance for you to take, Shira. |
Chulanowa |
Sep-06-10 04:15 PM |
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What part of disputed land don't you understand? n/t |
shira |
Sep-06-10 06:11 PM |
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I understand it just fine |
Chulanowa |
Sep-06-10 06:28 PM |
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why? |
Shaktimaan |
Sep-10-10 01:25 AM |
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The problem with your position is simple |
Chulanowa |
Sep-10-10 01:46 PM |
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That isn't what I am saying at all. |
Shaktimaan |
Sep-11-10 02:20 AM |
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Do you agree with Hamas that Israeli settlers are legitimate targets for killing then? |
oberliner |
Sep-06-10 05:50 AM |
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Sep-06-10 02:26 PM |
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Stunning response |
oberliner |
Sep-06-10 03:01 PM |
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Sep-06-10 03:26 PM |
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I don't have a "team" and I do not support the killing of civilians ever by anyone |
oberliner |
Sep-06-10 03:32 PM |
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Don't give me the feigned innocence shit, Oberliner |
Chulanowa |
Sep-06-10 04:08 PM |
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No idea what you mean by that comment |
oberliner |
Sep-06-10 04:34 PM |
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Well, that's great |
Chulanowa |
Sep-06-10 04:57 PM |
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West Bank Violence: Hamas must prevent further attacks on Israeli citizens |
oberliner |
Sep-06-10 05:02 PM |
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Again with the platitudes |
Chulanowa |
Sep-06-10 05:39 PM |
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If the Israeli settlers will not leave voluntarily then Palestinians have the right to kill them? |
oberliner |
Sep-06-10 06:00 PM |
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Not quite sp |
Chulanowa |
Sep-06-10 06:24 PM |
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Human Rights Watch: Attacking civilians is never justified |
oberliner |
Sep-06-10 07:26 PM |
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You seem unable to answer the question |
Chulanowa |
Sep-06-10 11:03 PM |
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Simple - well not so simple but here's what they should do for peace... |
shira |
Sep-07-10 05:25 AM |
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You're right. That's not even remotely simple |
Chulanowa |
Sep-09-10 01:54 AM |
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You are right... |
Shaktimaan |
Sep-11-10 11:22 AM |
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There is another option |
whosinpower |
Sep-07-10 06:10 PM |
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I found lots showing disdain for the killing of Israeli civilians, but when it comes to Palestinians |
Violet_Crumble |
Sep-11-10 11:57 PM |
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What does stolen/stealing mean? |
Cannafield |
Sep-07-10 07:40 AM |
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Chuli - do you have a problem with the PA and Hamas inciting Palestinians to murder settlers? |
shira |
Sep-06-10 03:54 PM |
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Something needs to be done to make the settlements costly enough for Israel to abandon them |
Recursion |
Sep-06-10 03:59 PM |
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If you've seen pictures of the highlands in Jerusalem, you'd know that Palestinians are doing... |
shira |
Sep-06-10 04:07 PM |
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Yes people tend to forget that Israel stilll needs and |
issy98 |
Sep-06-10 06:05 PM |
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Israel awards terrorists with state funerals and makes them Prime Ministers |
Chulanowa |
Sep-06-10 04:13 PM |
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"Israel awards terrorists with state funerals and makes them Prime Ministers"...well... |
Ken Burch |
Sep-06-10 05:30 PM |
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Why didn't you answer whether Hamas/PLO disgusts you? n/t |
shira |
Sep-06-10 06:12 PM |
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Allow me to explain to you, via anecdote |
Chulanowa |
Sep-06-10 06:34 PM |
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I can only assume none of that disgusts you as you've never once articulated that... |
shira |
Sep-06-10 07:08 PM |
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Well, I've given it a little more thought |
Chulanowa |
Sep-06-10 11:19 PM |
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To be clear... |
shira |
Sep-07-10 05:31 AM |
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I think I've already answered your question |
Chulanowa |
Sep-09-10 02:13 AM |
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Scary such posters exist here. |
issy98 |
Sep-06-10 04:45 PM |
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Years of watching the gentlemen across the aisle cheer for the deaths of Arabs |
Chulanowa |
Sep-06-10 04:59 PM |
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Strange. |
LTX |
Sep-08-10 08:34 AM |
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Sep-09-10 02:18 AM |
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Your fallacy is in assuming that property lines and ownership are established |
elias7 |
Sep-06-10 09:58 AM |
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Sep-06-10 02:36 PM |
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Well said! Also, the Settlers poison wells and kill Palistineans... |
ProgressiveMajority |
Sep-13-10 01:46 PM |
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I think "human shield" is a better term |
Recursion |
Sep-06-10 02:37 PM |
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What was the actual target in this case that these humans were shielding? |
oberliner |
Sep-06-10 05:18 PM |
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I could slime out of this and say "the actual target was Israel's sense of collective security" |
Recursion |
Sep-06-10 05:21 PM |
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With respect to your edit |
oberliner |
Sep-06-10 08:40 PM |
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Attacking soldiers vs. civilians |
Recursion |
Sep-07-10 08:19 AM |
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Did these particular settelers attack Palestinians and their property? |
oberliner |
Sep-07-10 10:30 AM |
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How were the shooters supposed to know? |
Recursion |
Sep-07-10 10:41 AM |
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They don't know - which is why they shouldn't kill them |
oberliner |
Sep-07-10 11:43 AM |
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That was a separate argument |
Recursion |
Sep-07-10 11:48 AM |
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That justfication can be used for just about anyone to kill anyone else |
oberliner |
Sep-07-10 11:55 AM |
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Civilians die in war. Always. |
Recursion |
Sep-07-10 12:05 PM |
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But was this why these people were shot? |
Shaktimaan |
Sep-11-10 02:53 AM |
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There's no confusion about these settlers...they were ones from Hebron... |
Violet_Crumble |
Sep-12-10 12:00 AM |
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That's not how human shields work. |
Shaktimaan |
Sep-18-10 02:22 AM |
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That doesn't justify murdering them, though. |
Donald Ian Rankin |
Sep-08-10 01:30 PM |
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