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Fri Jun-11-10 01:28 PM
Response to Reply #84 |
| 95. I hear similar stories... on the flip side... |
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My cousin has friends of every stripe... Arabs, Palestinians, Muslims, Jews... And in her core group of friends, there is no color or religion. Only human beings that want nothing more than to get along and have a home. This group has said many times that the hatred they see is fueled by Israeli and Jewish leaders in government, that the people would settle down and go on about their business if they weren't constantly being poked by hate-filled cattle prods.
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| -Dear Helen Thomas, we Jews aren't getting the hell out of anywhere anymore |
Fozzledick |
Jun-10-10 04:31 PM |
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This author confuses Jews with the nation of Israel |
Oregone |
Jun-10-10 04:34 PM |
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Many at DU make that same error in distinction... |
JuniperLea |
Jun-10-10 04:39 PM |
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LOL |
Oregone |
Jun-10-10 04:40 PM |
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LOL |
EFerrari |
Jun-10-10 04:42 PM |
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I blame Constantine |
Fozzledick |
Jun-10-10 04:45 PM |
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I love spiritual people... |
JuniperLea |
Jun-10-10 04:47 PM |
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I blame Paul...he was the one who brought all the weird sexual uptightness into it. |
Ken Burch |
Jun-17-10 05:56 AM |
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Who was Helen Thomas addressing? |
Fozzledick |
Jun-10-10 04:40 PM |
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She was specifically talking about the people who are occupying Palestine |
Oregone |
Jun-10-10 04:43 PM |
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There's that confusion again! |
JuniperLea |
Jun-10-10 04:46 PM |
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Prior to 1948 |
FBI_Un_Sub |
Jun-10-10 09:50 PM |
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Who Gave Sykes And Picot The Right To Determine Which People Belong To Which Land? |
DemocratSinceBirth |
Jun-11-10 05:24 AM |
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Allenby and Foch NT |
Recursion |
Jun-11-10 07:44 AM |
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And just who are the non-Arabs living in Palestine? |
azurnoir |
Jun-10-10 05:50 PM |
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Right now? And what do you mean by "Palestine"? |
Recursion |
Jun-11-10 07:45 AM |
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well actually there are about 225,000 in the West Bank |
azurnoir |
Jun-11-10 11:47 AM |
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Well, in fairness Hamas thinks that too |
Recursion |
Jun-11-10 12:09 PM |
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There should 2 countries IMO n/t |
azurnoir |
Jun-11-10 01:06 PM |
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I would have liked that. But the Israelis and Palestinians seem not to |
Recursion |
Jun-11-10 01:45 PM |
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I agree with you that the time for a two-state solution has passed. |
Raksha |
Jun-11-10 07:40 PM |
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here's the exchange |
CTLawGuy |
Jun-17-10 05:50 AM |
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unfortunately unrec does not work here . . . . so UNREC |
DrDan |
Jun-10-10 04:35 PM |
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Thanks for the kick! |
Fozzledick |
Jun-10-10 04:37 PM |
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we can blame teh Jews for Facebook |
davidinalameda |
Jun-10-10 04:39 PM |
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But you can't blame them for the Gaza siege |
Oregone |
Jun-10-10 04:40 PM |
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Actually, if it weren't for the Romans, there would never have been a "Palestine" |
Fozzledick |
Jun-10-10 05:30 PM |
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I'm sure that some parents blame Trojans |
davidinalameda |
Jun-11-10 09:22 AM |
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"the condemns"? |
Ken Burch |
Jun-17-10 06:03 AM |
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Whoppers on wheels. |
EFerrari |
Jun-10-10 04:41 PM |
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He Conflated Jews With Israelis |
DemocratSinceBirth |
Jun-10-10 04:44 PM |
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Which leaves me confused.... |
Oregone |
Jun-10-10 04:47 PM |
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I have Christian cousins living in Israel... |
JuniperLea |
Jun-10-10 04:49 PM |
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I Think Both Sides Have Legitimate Grievances And Compelling Narratives |
DemocratSinceBirth |
Jun-10-10 04:49 PM |
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Oh yes, definitely |
Oregone |
Jun-10-10 04:56 PM |
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It's because the psychopaths are currently in charge, |
Raksha |
Jun-11-10 01:42 PM |
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And that is a proud achievement. |
Ken Burch |
Jun-17-10 06:05 AM |
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Don't See The Efficacy Of Suggesting Second And Third Generation Israelis To Move Back To Europe |
DemocratSinceBirth |
Jun-10-10 04:42 PM |
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Agreed... and I feel the same about Palestine... |
JuniperLea |
Jun-10-10 04:44 PM |
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There Needs To Be Some Accommodation On Both Sides |
DemocratSinceBirth |
Jun-10-10 04:47 PM |
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I totally agree... and Helen was wrong... very, very off base... |
JuniperLea |
Jun-10-10 04:52 PM |
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I have read on DU that |
CTLawGuy |
Jun-17-10 05:58 AM |
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so if a thief stays in someone else's house long enough, they get to keep it. |
provis99 |
Jun-10-10 05:39 PM |
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See Twenty Nine |
DemocratSinceBirth |
Jun-11-10 05:16 AM |
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It isn't going to happen. |
lumpy |
Jun-14-10 02:49 PM |
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"How far back do you go to right an alleged wrong?" |
Ken Burch |
Jun-17-10 06:10 AM |
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well usually a thief is arrested and put in jail |
CTLawGuy |
Jun-17-10 05:59 AM |
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Agree - and two further points: |
LeftishBrit |
Jun-10-10 05:47 PM |
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Yes, but at least for a while there was a "pipeline" |
Recursion |
Jun-11-10 07:56 AM |
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These are true points. |
Ken Burch |
Jun-17-10 06:14 AM |
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Yeah, it may not be the soundest suggestion |
Oregone |
Jun-10-10 04:45 PM |
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Do you see the efficacy of them living in Palestine rather than Israel? |
azurnoir |
Jun-10-10 05:52 PM |
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A lot of Israelis are American. |
DRex |
Jun-11-10 06:44 PM |
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"The more you defend yourselves, the more we hate you" |
shira |
Jun-10-10 05:37 PM |
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"That animal is evil, if you attack it it will defend itself" |
Fozzledick |
Jun-10-10 05:42 PM |
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Haters gonna keep hating |
shira |
Jun-10-10 05:48 PM |
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yes I do hate false spin and bandwagon deception |
azurnoir |
Jun-10-10 05:56 PM |
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If you hated false spin, you wouldn't portray Helen's remarks as anti-Israel |
shira |
Jun-10-10 06:32 PM |
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there are still death camps in Poland and Russia? |
azurnoir |
Jun-10-10 06:44 PM |
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Pathetic. Helen expected Jews to go to Poland and Russia post 1945? Are you kidding? |
shira |
Jun-10-10 06:57 PM |
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According to your post #38 that is exactly what you claim she is saying |
azurnoir |
Jun-10-10 07:49 PM |
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Poland And Russia Are Still Rife With Anti-Semitism |
DemocratSinceBirth |
Jun-11-10 05:21 AM |
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Helen told Jews to go back to Poland and Germany....as if they could in 1945-48 |
shira |
Jun-11-10 05:22 AM |
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But there are not death camps and why if the present Polish governt |
azurnoir |
Jun-11-10 01:02 PM |
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Here |
DemocratSinceBirth |
Jun-11-10 02:29 PM |
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But as I pointed out she was in accurate on the point of Poland because Russia would have been more |
azurnoir |
Jun-11-10 04:32 PM |
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It's also possible that "Poland" came to mind for her |
Ken Burch |
Jun-17-10 06:27 AM |
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Yes dear we all know the Jewish settlers have no |
azurnoir |
Jun-10-10 05:54 PM |
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I just hope they don't get too literal with this bullshit... |
JuniperLea |
Jun-10-10 06:22 PM |
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A modest proposal: go back to the borders of 67 |
Fozzledick |
Jun-10-10 06:27 PM |
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Doesn't that fly in the face of God? |
JuniperLea |
Jun-10-10 06:30 PM |
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Do you really want to drag the Assyrians into this too? |
Fozzledick |
Jun-10-10 06:53 PM |
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I am Inanna... |
JuniperLea |
Jun-10-10 07:07 PM |
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Free Enkidu! |
Fozzledick |
Jun-10-10 07:19 PM |
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Show me the maggot! |
JuniperLea |
Jun-10-10 07:21 PM |
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there has already been way too much "literal" about this n/t |
azurnoir |
Jun-10-10 06:38 PM |
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Exactly... that's why I wonder about the cherry picking... eom |
JuniperLea |
Jun-10-10 07:08 PM |
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I'll keep saying it... |
proteus_lives |
Jun-10-10 07:54 PM |
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Who is washing her feet for fuck's sake? |
JuniperLea |
Jun-10-10 07:58 PM |
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I'll keep saying it... |
proteus_lives |
Jun-10-10 08:00 PM |
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I'm supporting her long and wonderful career... |
JuniperLea |
Jun-11-10 11:53 AM |
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so you'd feel exactly the same way if she told blacks to go back to Africa? |
shira |
Jun-11-10 11:58 AM |
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Yes... |
JuniperLea |
Jun-11-10 12:11 PM |
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Oh, I get it. Helen prefers that Jews should've gone back to Germany, Poland, and Russia after WW2 |
shira |
Jun-11-10 12:19 PM |
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Don't you have another tune? |
JuniperLea |
Jun-11-10 12:22 PM |
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It's not about an 89 year old woman. This shit is tolerated far too much... |
shira |
Jun-11-10 12:32 PM |
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From what I can see, there's always an excuse to inflate and scream... |
JuniperLea |
Jun-11-10 01:33 PM |
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Give it up. Shira's testifying, you're lying, and that's the end of it. |
Jim Sagle |
Jun-11-10 01:02 PM |
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I don't give up when fighting against bigotry like this... |
JuniperLea |
Jun-11-10 01:35 PM |
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I assume you're looking in a mirror as you type that. |
Jim Sagle |
Jun-11-10 02:00 PM |
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Jun-11-10 06:21 AM |
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Wow-I Hope The Mods Don't Delete Your Post Or Mine!!! |
DemocratSinceBirth |
Jun-11-10 06:41 AM |
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Jun-11-10 06:51 AM |
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You Suggested That Nations Were Justified In Forcibly Evicting Jews From Their Lands |
DemocratSinceBirth |
Jun-11-10 06:55 AM |
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Jun-11-10 07:06 AM |
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You Have The Right To Any Opinion You Want |
DemocratSinceBirth |
Jun-11-10 08:53 AM |
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You're just flame baiting now. I ONLY suggest that ANYONE consistently expelled from ANYWHERE - |
Wizard777 |
Jun-11-10 09:48 AM |
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How Am I Flamebaiting? |
DemocratSinceBirth |
Jun-11-10 10:03 AM |
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Jun-11-10 10:32 AM |
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A Few Points |
DemocratSinceBirth |
Jun-11-10 12:44 PM |
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I'll have to answer your question with a question. |
Wizard777 |
Jun-11-10 01:27 PM |
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Here |
DemocratSinceBirth |
Jun-11-10 01:40 PM |
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Exactly. But the OP also does that. It addresses the individuals as a whole. |
Wizard777 |
Jun-11-10 02:01 PM |
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I Disagreed With Much Of The OP. It Inflames Rather Than Enlighten |
DemocratSinceBirth |
Jun-11-10 02:08 PM |
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So do I on both. |
Wizard777 |
Jun-11-10 02:11 PM |
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So it does, but that's something wrong with the article, not something wrong with the Jews |
LeftishBrit |
Jun-11-10 02:19 PM |
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Jun-11-10 02:32 PM |
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Sorry but that's just disgusting |
LeftishBrit |
Jun-11-10 02:37 PM |
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But it goes against many customs. They were a stateless people. |
Wizard777 |
Jun-11-10 02:53 PM |
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The implication of your post... |
LeftishBrit |
Jun-11-10 03:04 PM |
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It depend entirely upon the law of the land. But it is a Sovereign right. |
Wizard777 |
Jun-11-10 03:15 PM |
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I feel just the same way about those in Israel who would like to deport Arab citizens |
LeftishBrit |
Jun-11-10 04:22 PM |
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Once there is an equitable agreement upon what is Israel and what is Palestine. |
Wizard777 |
Jun-11-10 04:47 PM |
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"I don't consider expulsion or deportation to be abusive," |
DemocratSinceBirth |
Jun-11-10 03:18 PM |
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Ethnic cleansing is just a nicer way of saying genocide. Not deportation. |
Wizard777 |
Jun-11-10 03:29 PM |
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Deep scholarly debate? |
LTX |
Jun-11-10 04:02 PM |
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I never said they were. |
Wizard777 |
Jun-11-10 04:48 PM |
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you're a disgusting bigot. your comments are worthy of stormfront |
cali |
Jun-12-10 03:08 AM |
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After reading your screed here on the "blacks and Jews" |
SemiCharmedQuark |
Jun-11-10 01:56 PM |
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I'm glad she was confirmed and I was highly impressed with her first decision. |
Wizard777 |
Jun-11-10 02:06 PM |
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ignore... |
JuniperLea |
Jun-11-10 03:00 PM |
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Holy hell |
Dorian Gray |
Jun-11-10 03:58 PM |
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I just saw this post, and you sir, are the very essence of ignorance and filth |
LTX |
Jun-11-10 04:50 PM |
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Sorry To Hear That |
DemocratSinceBirth |
Jun-13-10 07:10 AM |
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Well said! |
ColesCountyDem |
Jun-17-10 03:44 PM |
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hmm do you think it might have been |
CTLawGuy |
Jun-17-10 06:07 AM |
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No |
LeftishBrit |
Jun-11-10 02:14 PM |
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In That Vein |
DemocratSinceBirth |
Jun-11-10 02:39 PM |
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Being expelled from a country is a sovereignty issue. It's not all about racism or blaming victims |
Wizard777 |
Jun-11-10 03:06 PM |
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I wish posts like those |
Dorian Gray |
Jun-11-10 03:55 PM |
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Agreed. |
Codeine |
Jun-12-10 10:50 AM |
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How on earth did that not result in a granite pizza? |
Codeine |
Jun-12-10 10:46 AM |
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Christ...that line was almost a direct lift from the end of "A Star Called Henry" by Roddy Doyle |
Ken Burch |
Jun-17-10 06:50 AM |
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I would not conflate Jewish people with the State of Israel's policies |
Douglas Carpenter |
Jun-11-10 07:33 AM |
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I refer to them as "Jews" for historical accuracy. At the time of these events Israel did not exist. |
Wizard777 |
Jun-11-10 07:44 AM |
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I think the problem is the OP Involves the Jewish struggle. That's theology not Israeli politics. |
Wizard777 |
Jun-11-10 08:17 AM |
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Great post! |
LeftishBrit |
Jun-11-10 02:50 PM |
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Uh-oh: |
LTX |
Jun-11-10 09:38 AM |
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They are NOT Synonymous. I know plenty of Jews that are not Israeli's. |
Wizard777 |
Jun-11-10 11:28 AM |
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I have Christian cousins living in Israel... |
JuniperLea |
Jun-11-10 12:16 PM |
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Exactly! There are even Muslim Arabs that live there. |
Wizard777 |
Jun-11-10 12:43 PM |
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I Have Spoke To Many Israeli And American Jews |
DemocratSinceBirth |
Jun-11-10 01:09 PM |
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Yes there is good in all people and cultures. I don't dispute that one bit. |
Wizard777 |
Jun-11-10 01:35 PM |
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I hear similar stories... on the flip side... |
JuniperLea |
Jun-11-10 01:28 PM |
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That's exactly why I say the Racism is institutionalized. It was like that here in America. |
Wizard777 |
Jun-11-10 01:42 PM |
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Jun-11-10 01:54 PM |
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What's that? I also debate at Baltimore Sun. I'm pretty much Wizard777 where ever I go. |
Wizard777 |
Jun-11-10 02:09 PM |
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I think you'd like her entire family... |
JuniperLea |
Jun-11-10 02:42 PM |
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No doubt. They sound like a great and very interesting bunch. |
Wizard777 |
Jun-11-10 03:28 PM |
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"The truth is rarely popular." |
JuniperLea |
Jun-11-10 03:36 PM |
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Good for you! I found Him in my heart and mind. Now I look for Him in Physics. |
Wizard777 |
Jun-11-10 03:42 PM |
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I have always embraced the idea that science... |
JuniperLea |
Jun-11-10 03:48 PM |
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Out of curiosity: |
LTX |
Jun-11-10 12:58 PM |
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Yes I have posed that to them. I also called one to tell him of addition about them getting gassed. |
Wizard777 |
Jun-11-10 01:55 PM |
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Jun-11-10 01:57 PM |
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That... |
LeftishBrit |
Jun-11-10 02:06 PM |
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That because he has really obnoxious friends. n/t |
OllieLotte |
Jun-11-10 02:31 PM |
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Oh yeah a couple of them of them without a doubt. That's where my endless patience comes in handy. |
Wizard777 |
Jun-11-10 03:31 PM |
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The OP is Historically inaccurate. At the beginning of recorded History they lived in Canaan. |
Wizard777 |
Jun-11-10 09:53 AM |
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Here's what I don't understand... |
Fokker Trip |
Jun-11-10 12:43 PM |
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Israel's waiting for a peace partner like Egypt or Jordan. If not, then they're determined to live |
shira |
Jun-11-10 12:52 PM |
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Mass emigration of Palestinians to Jordan and Egypt |
Recursion |
Jun-11-10 01:51 PM |
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I Really Think Reasonable Folks Can Find A Solution Especially If There's Money To Lubricate It. |
DemocratSinceBirth |
Jun-11-10 01:56 PM |
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Israel wants Jordan and Egypt to take responsibility for the Palestinians |
Recursion |
Jun-11-10 02:50 PM |
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That Was The Old Rogers Plan.We Are Well Past That. |
DemocratSinceBirth |
Jun-11-10 03:05 PM |
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Rabbi who filmed Helen Thomas told to 'go back in the oven' |
Fozzledick |
Jun-11-10 03:58 PM |
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But he wasn't told that by Helen Thomas. |
Wizard777 |
Jun-11-10 05:02 PM |
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What difference does it make? |
howard112211 |
Jun-13-10 05:50 AM |
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I think he's finally gone... |
Fozzledick |
Jun-13-10 09:58 AM |
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This is exactly why I support the South African transition model- not the two state solution |
depakid |
Jun-12-10 12:40 AM |
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Some have argued here that what you are advocating is the "destruction of Israel". |
howard112211 |
Jun-13-10 05:47 AM |
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Where's The Model For This State? |
DemocratSinceBirth |
Jun-13-10 07:21 AM |
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As for the middle east, not sure, but |
howard112211 |
Jun-13-10 08:10 AM |
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This would be about creating a NEW model |
Ken Burch |
Jun-17-10 06:02 AM |
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Poor things. |
dyingnumbers |
Jun-13-10 12:33 AM |
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I love it how Israel supporters use some crap that happened 2000 years ago |
howard112211 |
Jun-13-10 05:45 AM |
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What Happened 2000 Years Ago Beside The Crucifixion And Resurrection Of Christ? |
DemocratSinceBirth |
Jun-13-10 07:13 AM |
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Romans occupying Israel. |
howard112211 |
Jun-13-10 07:15 AM |
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You mean Jews being told to "get the hell out" of their original homeland in Judea? |
Fozzledick |
Jun-13-10 10:07 AM |
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Telling people to get out of a country they were born in is offensive. |
howard112211 |
Jun-13-10 10:13 AM |
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this apparent acceptance of anti-semitism is a real stain on the left |
CTLawGuy |
Jun-17-10 05:42 AM |
#167 |
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