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94. I'll have to answer your question with a question.
Edited on Fri Jun-11-10 01:29 PM by Wizard777
How are individual Palestinians responsible for the acts of other individual Palestinians and what crimes did these individual Palestinians do to warrant mass expulsion from the land on which they live?

Personally I've never even felt the need to go through history trying to track down jewish crimes. But some of the resentments comes from Jewish Theology, customs and traditions. The Vatican not that long ago released a letter from the Bishop of Poland to Pius XII. In the letter the Bishop had stated that "Judaism has become a disease upon the minds of the German Youth." I sometimes cite that letter in debate on the theory of addiction that makes freewill a disease of the mind. We're also seeing that tact used against Muslims because of their Theology, customs and traditions. Both are cultuer clashes. There is also a new theory evolving about the Exodus. The Pharaoh granted Moses their freedom. But that's all he granted them. The new theory to which they have found some archaeological evidence, that is being hotly disputed, would also explain why Pharaoh went after them when they left. Apparently they weren't going into the desert with no supplies. Being slaves they would have little or no money to buy supplies with. So they looted a few Egyptian towns on the way out. That's why Pharaoh set out after them with the army. It was to bring them back to egypt for their crimes against egypt. Then there's the cover story of not needing supplies because God sent them Manna from Heaven. But as I said the archaeological findings are hotly being disputed. If the evidence stands. Then the world has an account of exodus from the POV of Egyptians. That would also confirm that the Exodus is more than Jewish Myth. It would become a Historical fact. If the evidence is disproved. Then Exodus remains a Jewish Myth. Frankly I'm not a historic fart sniffer. But they do exist and you have to be wary of them in your studies of history. Spin a propaganda is not a modern invention. The God's of the old religion have always become the devils of the new religion.
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  -Dear Helen Thomas, we Jews aren't getting the hell out of anywhere anymore Fozzledick  Jun-10-10 04:31 PM   #0 
  - This author confuses Jews with the nation of Israel  Oregone   Jun-10-10 04:34 PM   #1 
  - Many at DU make that same error in distinction...  JuniperLea   Jun-10-10 04:39 PM   #5 
  - LOL  Oregone   Jun-10-10 04:40 PM   #8 
  - LOL  EFerrari   Jun-10-10 04:42 PM   #11 
  - I blame Constantine  Fozzledick   Jun-10-10 04:45 PM   #15 
     - I love spiritual people...  JuniperLea   Jun-10-10 04:47 PM   #19 
     - I blame Paul...he was the one who brought all the weird sexual uptightness into it.  Ken Burch   Jun-17-10 05:56 AM   #169 
  - Who was Helen Thomas addressing?  Fozzledick   Jun-10-10 04:40 PM   #7 
     - She was specifically talking about the people who are occupying Palestine  Oregone   Jun-10-10 04:43 PM   #12 
     - There's that confusion again!  JuniperLea   Jun-10-10 04:46 PM   #17 
     - Prior to 1948  FBI_Un_Sub   Jun-10-10 09:50 PM   #51 
        - Who Gave Sykes And Picot The Right To Determine Which People Belong To Which Land?  DemocratSinceBirth   Jun-11-10 05:24 AM   #55 
           - Allenby and Foch NT  Recursion   Jun-11-10 07:44 AM   #62 
     - And just who are the non-Arabs living in Palestine?  azurnoir   Jun-10-10 05:50 PM   #31 
     - Right now? And what do you mean by "Palestine"?  Recursion   Jun-11-10 07:45 AM   #64 
        - well actually there are about 225,000 in the West Bank  azurnoir   Jun-11-10 11:47 AM   #75 
           - Well, in fairness Hamas thinks that too  Recursion   Jun-11-10 12:09 PM   #78 
              - There should 2 countries IMO n/t  azurnoir   Jun-11-10 01:06 PM   #92 
                 - I would have liked that. But the Israelis and Palestinians seem not to  Recursion   Jun-11-10 01:45 PM   #102 
                    - I agree with you that the time for a two-state solution has passed.  Raksha   Jun-11-10 07:40 PM   #149 
     - here's the exchange  CTLawGuy   Jun-17-10 05:50 AM   #168 
  - unfortunately unrec does not work here . . . . so UNREC  DrDan   Jun-10-10 04:35 PM   #2 
  - Thanks for the kick!  Fozzledick   Jun-10-10 04:37 PM   #3 
  - we can blame teh Jews for Facebook  davidinalameda   Jun-10-10 04:39 PM   #4 
  - But you can't blame them for the Gaza siege  Oregone   Jun-10-10 04:40 PM   #6 
  - Actually, if it weren't for the Romans, there would never have been a "Palestine"  Fozzledick   Jun-10-10 05:30 PM   #25 
     - I'm sure that some parents blame Trojans  davidinalameda   Jun-11-10 09:22 AM   #68 
        - "the condemns"?  Ken Burch   Jun-17-10 06:03 AM   #173 
  - Whoppers on wheels.  EFerrari   Jun-10-10 04:41 PM   #9 
  - He Conflated Jews With Israelis  DemocratSinceBirth   Jun-10-10 04:44 PM   #14 
     - Which leaves me confused....  Oregone   Jun-10-10 04:47 PM   #20 
     - I have Christian cousins living in Israel...  JuniperLea   Jun-10-10 04:49 PM   #21 
     - I Think Both Sides Have Legitimate Grievances And Compelling Narratives  DemocratSinceBirth   Jun-10-10 04:49 PM   #22 
     - Oh yes, definitely  Oregone   Jun-10-10 04:56 PM   #24 
     - It's because the psychopaths are currently in charge,  Raksha   Jun-11-10 01:42 PM   #100 
     - And that is a proud achievement.  Ken Burch   Jun-17-10 06:05 AM   #174 
  - Don't See The Efficacy Of Suggesting Second And Third Generation Israelis To Move Back To Europe  DemocratSinceBirth   Jun-10-10 04:42 PM   #10 
  - Agreed... and I feel the same about Palestine...  JuniperLea   Jun-10-10 04:44 PM   #13 
  - There Needs To Be Some Accommodation On Both Sides  DemocratSinceBirth   Jun-10-10 04:47 PM   #18 
     - I totally agree... and Helen was wrong... very, very off base...  JuniperLea   Jun-10-10 04:52 PM   #23 
     - I have read on DU that  CTLawGuy   Jun-17-10 05:58 AM   #170 
     - so if a thief stays in someone else's house long enough, they get to keep it.  provis99   Jun-10-10 05:39 PM   #27 
     - See Twenty Nine  DemocratSinceBirth   Jun-11-10 05:16 AM   #52 
     - It isn't going to happen.  lumpy   Jun-14-10 02:49 PM   #166 
     - "How far back do you go to right an alleged wrong?"  Ken Burch   Jun-17-10 06:10 AM   #176 
     - well usually a thief is arrested and put in jail  CTLawGuy   Jun-17-10 05:59 AM   #171 
     - Agree - and two further points:  LeftishBrit   Jun-10-10 05:47 PM   #29 
        - Yes, but at least for a while there was a "pipeline"  Recursion   Jun-11-10 07:56 AM   #65 
        - These are true points.  Ken Burch   Jun-17-10 06:14 AM   #177 
  - Yeah, it may not be the soundest suggestion  Oregone   Jun-10-10 04:45 PM   #16 
  - Do you see the efficacy of them living in Palestine rather than Israel?  azurnoir   Jun-10-10 05:52 PM   #32 
  - A lot of Israelis are American.  DRex   Jun-11-10 06:44 PM   #148 
  - "The more you defend yourselves, the more we hate you"  shira   Jun-10-10 05:37 PM   #26 
  - "That animal is evil, if you attack it it will defend itself"  Fozzledick   Jun-10-10 05:42 PM   #28 
     - Haters gonna keep hating  shira   Jun-10-10 05:48 PM   #30 
        - yes I do hate false spin and bandwagon deception  azurnoir   Jun-10-10 05:56 PM   #34 
           - If you hated false spin, you wouldn't portray Helen's remarks as anti-Israel  shira   Jun-10-10 06:32 PM   #38 
              - there are still death camps in Poland and Russia?  azurnoir   Jun-10-10 06:44 PM   #40 
                 - Pathetic. Helen expected Jews to go to Poland and Russia post 1945? Are you kidding?  shira   Jun-10-10 06:57 PM   #42 
                 - According to your post #38 that is exactly what you claim she is saying  azurnoir   Jun-10-10 07:49 PM   #47 
                 - Poland And Russia Are Still Rife With Anti-Semitism  DemocratSinceBirth   Jun-11-10 05:21 AM   #53 
                    - Helen told Jews to go back to Poland and if they could in 1945-48  shira   Jun-11-10 05:22 AM   #54 
                    - But there are not death camps and why if the present Polish governt  azurnoir   Jun-11-10 01:02 PM   #90 
                       - Here  DemocratSinceBirth   Jun-11-10 02:29 PM   #117 
                          - But as I pointed out she was in accurate on the point of Poland because Russia would have been more  azurnoir   Jun-11-10 04:32 PM   #143 
                             - It's also possible that "Poland" came to mind for her  Ken Burch   Jun-17-10 06:27 AM   #178 
  - Yes dear we all know the Jewish settlers have no  azurnoir   Jun-10-10 05:54 PM   #33 
  - I just hope they don't get too literal with this bullshit...  JuniperLea   Jun-10-10 06:22 PM   #35 
     - A modest proposal: go back to the borders of 67  Fozzledick   Jun-10-10 06:27 PM   #36 
     - Doesn't that fly in the face of God?  JuniperLea   Jun-10-10 06:30 PM   #37 
        - Do you really want to drag the Assyrians into this too?  Fozzledick   Jun-10-10 06:53 PM   #41 
           - I am Inanna...  JuniperLea   Jun-10-10 07:07 PM   #43 
              - Free Enkidu!  Fozzledick   Jun-10-10 07:19 PM   #45 
                 - Show me the maggot!  JuniperLea   Jun-10-10 07:21 PM   #46 
     - there has already been way too much "literal" about this n/t  azurnoir   Jun-10-10 06:38 PM   #39 
        - Exactly... that's why I wonder about the cherry picking... eom  JuniperLea   Jun-10-10 07:08 PM   #44 
  - I'll keep saying it...  proteus_lives   Jun-10-10 07:54 PM   #48 
  - Who is washing her feet for fuck's sake?  JuniperLea   Jun-10-10 07:58 PM   #49 
     - I'll keep saying it...  proteus_lives   Jun-10-10 08:00 PM   #50 
        - I'm supporting her long and wonderful career...  JuniperLea   Jun-11-10 11:53 AM   #76 
           - so you'd feel exactly the same way if she told blacks to go back to Africa?  shira   Jun-11-10 11:58 AM   #77 
              - Yes...  JuniperLea   Jun-11-10 12:11 PM   #79 
                 - Oh, I get it. Helen prefers that Jews should've gone back to Germany, Poland, and Russia after WW2  shira   Jun-11-10 12:19 PM   #81 
                    - Don't you have another tune?  JuniperLea   Jun-11-10 12:22 PM   #82 
                       - It's not about an 89 year old woman. This shit is tolerated far too much...  shira   Jun-11-10 12:32 PM   #83 
                       - From what I can see, there's always an excuse to inflate and scream...  JuniperLea   Jun-11-10 01:33 PM   #96 
                       - Give it up. Shira's testifying, you're lying, and that's the end of it.  Jim Sagle   Jun-11-10 01:02 PM   #91 
                          - I don't give up when fighting against bigotry like this...  JuniperLea   Jun-11-10 01:35 PM   #98 
                             - I assume you're looking in a mirror as you type that.  Jim Sagle   Jun-11-10 02:00 PM   #109 
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  - Wow-I Hope The Mods Don't Delete Your Post Or Mine!!!  DemocratSinceBirth   Jun-11-10 06:41 AM   #57 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Jun-11-10 06:51 AM   #58 
  - You Suggested That Nations Were Justified In Forcibly Evicting Jews From Their Lands  DemocratSinceBirth   Jun-11-10 06:55 AM   #59 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Jun-11-10 07:06 AM   #60 
     - You Have The Right To Any Opinion You Want  DemocratSinceBirth   Jun-11-10 08:53 AM   #67 
        - You're just flame baiting now. I ONLY suggest that ANYONE consistently expelled from ANYWHERE -  Wizard777   Jun-11-10 09:48 AM   #70 
           - How Am I Flamebaiting?  DemocratSinceBirth   Jun-11-10 10:03 AM   #72 
           - Deleted message  Name removed   Jun-11-10 10:32 AM   #73 
              - A Few Points  DemocratSinceBirth   Jun-11-10 12:44 PM   #86 
              - I'll have to answer your question with a question.  Wizard777   Jun-11-10 01:27 PM   #94 
                 - Here  DemocratSinceBirth   Jun-11-10 01:40 PM   #99 
                    - Exactly. But the OP also does that. It addresses the individuals as a whole.  Wizard777   Jun-11-10 02:01 PM   #110 
                       - I Disagreed With Much Of The OP. It Inflames Rather Than Enlighten  DemocratSinceBirth   Jun-11-10 02:08 PM   #112 
                       - So do I on both.  Wizard777   Jun-11-10 02:11 PM   #114 
                       - So it does, but that's something wrong with the article, not something wrong with the Jews  LeftishBrit   Jun-11-10 02:19 PM   #116 
                          - Deleted message  Name removed   Jun-11-10 02:32 PM   #119 
                             - Sorry but that's just disgusting  LeftishBrit   Jun-11-10 02:37 PM   #120 
                             - But it goes against many customs. They were a stateless people.  Wizard777   Jun-11-10 02:53 PM   #125 
                                - The implication of your post...  LeftishBrit   Jun-11-10 03:04 PM   #127 
                                - It depend entirely upon the law of the land. But it is a Sovereign right.  Wizard777   Jun-11-10 03:15 PM   #130 
                                - I feel just the same way about those in Israel who would like to deport Arab citizens  LeftishBrit   Jun-11-10 04:22 PM   #142 
                                - Once there is an equitable agreement upon what is Israel and what is Palestine.  Wizard777   Jun-11-10 04:47 PM   #144 
                                - "I don't consider expulsion or deportation to be abusive,"  DemocratSinceBirth   Jun-11-10 03:18 PM   #131 
                                   - Ethnic cleansing is just a nicer way of saying genocide. Not deportation.  Wizard777   Jun-11-10 03:29 PM   #133 
                             - Deep scholarly debate?  LTX   Jun-11-10 04:02 PM   #141 
                             - I never said they were.  Wizard777   Jun-11-10 04:48 PM   #145 
                             - you're a disgusting bigot. your comments are worthy of stormfront  cali   Jun-12-10 03:08 AM   #151 
              - After reading your screed here on the "blacks and Jews"  SemiCharmedQuark   Jun-11-10 01:56 PM   #106 
              - I'm glad she was confirmed and I was highly impressed with her first decision.  Wizard777   Jun-11-10 02:06 PM   # 
              - ignore...  JuniperLea   Jun-11-10 03:00 PM   #126 
              - Holy hell  Dorian Gray   Jun-11-10 03:58 PM   #140 
              - I just saw this post, and you sir, are the very essence of ignorance and filth  LTX   Jun-11-10 04:50 PM   #146 
                 - Sorry To Hear That  DemocratSinceBirth   Jun-13-10 07:10 AM   #158 
                 - Well said!  ColesCountyDem   Jun-17-10 03:44 PM   #180 
           - hmm do you think it might have been  CTLawGuy   Jun-17-10 06:07 AM   #175 
  - No  LeftishBrit   Jun-11-10 02:14 PM   #115 
     - In That Vein  DemocratSinceBirth   Jun-11-10 02:39 PM   #121 
     - Being expelled from a country is a sovereignty issue. It's not all about racism or blaming victims  Wizard777   Jun-11-10 03:06 PM   #129 
  - I wish posts like those  Dorian Gray   Jun-11-10 03:55 PM   #138 
  - Agreed.  Codeine   Jun-12-10 10:50 AM   #153 
  - How on earth did that not result in a granite pizza?  Codeine   Jun-12-10 10:46 AM   #152 
  - Christ...that line was almost a direct lift from the end of "A Star Called Henry" by Roddy Doyle  Ken Burch   Jun-17-10 06:50 AM   #179 
  - I would not conflate Jewish people with the State of Israel's policies  Douglas Carpenter   Jun-11-10 07:33 AM   #61 
  - I refer to them as "Jews" for historical accuracy. At the time of these events Israel did not exist.  Wizard777   Jun-11-10 07:44 AM   #63 
  - I think the problem is the OP Involves the Jewish struggle. That's theology not Israeli politics.  Wizard777   Jun-11-10 08:17 AM   #66 
  - Great post!  LeftishBrit   Jun-11-10 02:50 PM   #123 
  - Uh-oh:  LTX   Jun-11-10 09:38 AM   #69 
  - They are NOT Synonymous. I know plenty of Jews that are not Israeli's.  Wizard777   Jun-11-10 11:28 AM   #74 
     - I have Christian cousins living in Israel...  JuniperLea   Jun-11-10 12:16 PM   #80 
     - Exactly! There are even Muslim Arabs that live there.  Wizard777   Jun-11-10 12:43 PM   #84 
        - I Have Spoke To Many Israeli And American Jews  DemocratSinceBirth   Jun-11-10 01:09 PM   #93 
        - Yes there is good in all people and cultures. I don't dispute that one bit.  Wizard777   Jun-11-10 01:35 PM   #97 
        - I hear similar stories... on the flip side...  JuniperLea   Jun-11-10 01:28 PM   #95 
           - That's exactly why I say the Racism is institutionalized. It was like that here in America.  Wizard777   Jun-11-10 01:42 PM   #101 
              - Deleted message  Name removed   Jun-11-10 01:54 PM   #104 
              - What's that? I also debate at Baltimore Sun. I'm pretty much Wizard777 where ever I go.  Wizard777   Jun-11-10 02:09 PM   #113 
              - I think you'd like her entire family...  JuniperLea   Jun-11-10 02:42 PM   #122 
                 - No doubt. They sound like a great and very interesting bunch.  Wizard777   Jun-11-10 03:28 PM   #132 
                    - "The truth is rarely popular."  JuniperLea   Jun-11-10 03:36 PM   #135 
                       - Good for you! I found Him in my heart and mind. Now I look for Him in Physics.  Wizard777   Jun-11-10 03:42 PM   #136 
                          - I have always embraced the idea that science...  JuniperLea   Jun-11-10 03:48 PM   #137 
     - Out of curiosity:  LTX   Jun-11-10 12:58 PM   #89 
        - Yes I have posed that to them. I also called one to tell him of addition about them getting gassed.  Wizard777   Jun-11-10 01:55 PM   #105 
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  - Deleted sub-thread  Name removed   Jun-11-10 01:57 PM   #108 
  - That...  LeftishBrit   Jun-11-10 02:06 PM   #111 
  - That because he has really obnoxious friends. n/t  OllieLotte   Jun-11-10 02:31 PM   #118 
     - Oh yeah a couple of them of them without a doubt. That's where my endless patience comes in handy.  Wizard777   Jun-11-10 03:31 PM   #134 
  - The OP is Historically inaccurate. At the beginning of recorded History they lived in Canaan.  Wizard777   Jun-11-10 09:53 AM   #71 
  - Here's what I don't understand...  Fokker Trip   Jun-11-10 12:43 PM   #85 
  - Israel's waiting for a peace partner like Egypt or Jordan. If not, then they're determined to live  shira   Jun-11-10 12:52 PM   #88 
  - Mass emigration of Palestinians to Jordan and Egypt  Recursion   Jun-11-10 01:51 PM   #103 
     - I Really Think Reasonable Folks Can Find A Solution Especially If There's Money To Lubricate It.  DemocratSinceBirth   Jun-11-10 01:56 PM   #107 
        - Israel wants Jordan and Egypt to take responsibility for the Palestinians  Recursion   Jun-11-10 02:50 PM   #124 
           - That Was The Old Rogers Plan.We Are Well Past That.  DemocratSinceBirth   Jun-11-10 03:05 PM   #128 
  - Rabbi who filmed Helen Thomas told to 'go back in the oven'  Fozzledick   Jun-11-10 03:58 PM   #139 
  - But he wasn't told that by Helen Thomas.  Wizard777   Jun-11-10 05:02 PM   #147 
     - What difference does it make?  howard112211   Jun-13-10 05:50 AM   #157 
     - I think he's finally gone...  Fozzledick   Jun-13-10 09:58 AM   #163 
  - This is exactly why I support the South African transition model- not the two state solution  depakid   Jun-12-10 12:40 AM   #150 
  - Some have argued here that what you are advocating is the "destruction of Israel".  howard112211   Jun-13-10 05:47 AM   #156 
     - Where's The Model For This State?  DemocratSinceBirth   Jun-13-10 07:21 AM   #161 
        - As for the middle east, not sure, but  howard112211   Jun-13-10 08:10 AM   #162 
        - This would be about creating a NEW model  Ken Burch   Jun-17-10 06:02 AM   #172 
  - Poor things.  dyingnumbers   Jun-13-10 12:33 AM   #154 
  - I love it how Israel supporters use some crap that happened 2000 years ago  howard112211   Jun-13-10 05:45 AM   #155 
  - What Happened 2000 Years Ago Beside The Crucifixion And Resurrection Of Christ?  DemocratSinceBirth   Jun-13-10 07:13 AM   #159 
  - Romans occupying Israel.  howard112211   Jun-13-10 07:15 AM   #160 
  - You mean Jews being told to "get the hell out" of their original homeland in Judea?  Fozzledick   Jun-13-10 10:07 AM   #164 
     - Telling people to get out of a country they were born in is offensive.  howard112211   Jun-13-10 10:13 AM   #165 
  - this apparent acceptance of anti-semitism is a real stain on the left  CTLawGuy   Jun-17-10 05:42 AM   #167 

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