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185. normally I'd just Ignore you after a remark as callous and un-liberal as that...
Edited on Wed Jun-02-10 06:27 PM by mike_c
...and wait for the troll police to tombstone you, but dammit, sometimes the smell of blood in the water is just too much to resist.

Now you've stated that the injustices heaped upon the Palestinians by Israel for multiple generations are justified because they made bad choices and didn't support the people who oppressed them, killed them, stole their land, and thumbed their noses at international resolutions condemning their ethnic cleansing? Oh my. That they DESERVE their life in the ghetto under Israeli boot heels because they weren't gracious enough to lick the boot that oppresses them? They deserve injustice because they LOST?

Dude! That is brilliant! Utterly soul-less and demented, but brilliant nonetheless. It's irrefutable! It's so beyond any logic, not to mention decency, that even attempting to refute it leads one onto thin ice where any argument must start by accepting the unacceptable. It's like answering the question "Do you still beat your wife?" No discussion can occur without some basic agreement about the premises, but your premise is unconscionable.

This is, of course, essentially the same argument used to justify the colonial white man's burden everywhere. The WOGs deserve their plight because we shat upon them so easily. Any injustice is warranted, because they lost!

Mark Twain expressed it nicely:

"O Lord our God, us to lay waste their humble homes with a hurricane of fire; help us to wring the hearts of their unoffending widows with unavailing grief; help us to turn them out roofless with little children to wander unfriended the wastes of their desolated land in rags and hunger and thirst, sports of the sun flames of summer and the icy winds of winter, broken in spirit, worn with travail, imploring Thee for the refuge of the grave and denied it -- for our sakes who adore Thee, Lord, blast their hopes, blight their lives, protract their bitter pilgrimage, make heavy their steps, water their way with their tears, stain the white snow with the blood of their wounded feet! We ask it, in the spirit of love, of Him Who is the Source of Love, and Who is the ever-faithful refuge and friend of all that are sore beset and seek His aid with humble and contrite hearts. Amen.
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  -Breaking: Hamas turns away humanitarian aid delivered today: ColesCountyDem  Jun-02-10 02:06 PM   #0 
  - why would they turn away aid?  wingnut40   Jun-02-10 02:07 PM   #1 
  - Because its bad politics...  brooklynite   Jun-02-10 02:10 PM   #4 
  - The aid is not from Israelis.  thewiseguy   Jun-02-10 02:14 PM   #11 
  - because it's offered by their oppressors?  mike_c   Jun-02-10 02:14 PM   #10 
  - So, it's OK to ignore the actual welfare of the people you allegedly represent?  ColesCountyDem   Jun-02-10 02:19 PM   #13 
     - blame the victims, change the subject, full spin ahead....  mike_c   Jun-02-10 02:23 PM   #15 
     - Just calling a spade a spade, my friend.  ColesCountyDem   Jun-02-10 02:26 PM   #18 
        - utter BS, spun from whole cloth....  mike_c   Jun-02-10 02:33 PM   #26 
           - I'm not treating you like an idiot, but you can't deny the facts of the matter.  ColesCountyDem   Jun-02-10 02:35 PM   #28 
           - deny the "fact sof the matter?"  mike_c   Jun-02-10 02:41 PM   #37 
           - A very salient fact, however.  ColesCountyDem   Jun-02-10 02:43 PM   #38 
              - are you a child?  mike_c   Jun-02-10 02:53 PM   #48 
              - I'm very much an adult, thank you.  ColesCountyDem   Jun-02-10 03:14 PM   #61 
              - That's the Israeli fantasy. The big show of *generosity* that fools no one  Catherina   Jun-02-10 04:55 PM   #137 
                 - It shows that this never was about humanitarian relief pretty neatly. n/t  ColesCountyDem   Jun-02-10 05:07 PM   #142 
                    - It shows that Israel is trying to deflect attention away from their very bad act.  breakaleg   Jun-02-10 06:32 PM   #189 
           - If you actually bothered to read even the snip posted Hamas gave their reason  azurnoir   Jun-02-10 05:38 PM   #159 
           - Hamas kills plenty of civilians in Israel and Gaza  Nuclear Unicorn   Jun-02-10 02:38 PM   #34 
              - yes, we all watched as Hamas attacked and kidnapped civilian relief workers...  mike_c   Jun-02-10 02:46 PM   #41 
                 - I saw them board a blockade runner. n/t  ColesCountyDem   Jun-02-10 02:47 PM   #43 
                 - do you automatically despise "blockade runners" or only those delivering relief to oppressed people?  mike_c   Jun-02-10 02:59 PM   #57 
                    - Nope, I don't despise them.  ColesCountyDem   Jun-02-10 03:16 PM   #62 
                       - well, to be clear, I APPLAUDE them for attempting to break this blockade...  mike_c   Jun-02-10 03:20 PM   #67 
                          - One question, then, if I may?  ColesCountyDem   Jun-02-10 03:22 PM   #68 
                             - that's a very good question....  mike_c   Jun-02-10 03:38 PM   #81 
                                - Good answer.  ColesCountyDem   Jun-02-10 04:04 PM   #89 
                                - well, the answer that satisfies most of the world is that Egypt...  mike_c   Jun-02-10 04:15 PM   #105 
                                   - Egypt is frankly delighted to let Israel deal with Hamas and Gaza both.  ColesCountyDem   Jun-02-10 04:34 PM   #112 
                                      - so why all the disingenuous questions about the Egyptian blockade...?  mike_c   Jun-02-10 04:41 PM   #118 
                                         - Only someone with a closed mind would call them 'disingenuous'.  ColesCountyDem   Jun-02-10 04:45 PM   #123 
                                         - you've tried to obfuscate the truth and called it "gray...."  mike_c   Jun-02-10 05:08 PM   #143 
                                         - No, I've tried to open minds to the fact that there are MANY truths here.  ColesCountyDem   Jun-02-10 05:38 PM   #158 
                                         - No, you didn't. You posted an IDF fax as truth.  EFerrari   Jun-02-10 06:35 PM   #190 
                                         - sometimes it's fun to play with them....  mike_c   Jun-02-10 06:39 PM   #192 
                                         - How anyone can post anything from the IDF or the Pentagon  EFerrari   Jun-02-10 06:41 PM   #194 
                                - A Arish is a deep water port  FBI_Un_Sub   Jun-02-10 07:56 PM   #196 
                 - You're looking at Hamas' history through a convenient soda straw  Nuclear Unicorn   Jun-02-10 03:23 PM   #73 
                    - in general I agree with you about the intractability of Hamas...  mike_c   Jun-02-10 03:51 PM   #86 
     - Happens in Washington DC every day, dude.  KonaKane   Jun-02-10 04:10 PM   #100 
        - I agree completely, but it's still a disservice to the people when it happens, is it not?  ColesCountyDem   Jun-02-10 04:50 PM   #131 
  - because they want the humanitarians that were arrested all released.  mod mom   Jun-02-10 02:16 PM   #12 
  - Ding ding--they can withhold what the Israelis want (a pass on the arrests)  librechik   Jun-02-10 02:47 PM   #44 
  - It's called "solidarity." Pity so many DUers have no idea what that means.  Ignis   Jun-02-10 02:54 PM   #49 
     - +1000 nt  laughingliberal   Jun-02-10 03:23 PM   #72 
     - +10000000  KonaKane   Jun-02-10 04:11 PM   #101 
  - Do we know for a fact that this is even true?  Crystal Clarity   Jun-02-10 02:35 PM   #29 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Jun-02-10 02:52 PM   #47 
  - Sources were confirmed  Crystal Clarity   Jun-02-10 03:06 PM   #59 
  - It's only half true. Hamas didn't want to take delivery until everyone was freed  EFerrari   Jun-02-10 06:38 PM   #191 
  - Politics trumps humanatarian aid  Freddie Stubbs   Jun-02-10 02:43 PM   #39 
  - Because the lot of them are assholes, on both sides.  formercia   Jun-02-10 02:54 PM   #50 
  - The OP is an IDF press release.  EFerrari   Jun-02-10 04:06 PM   #92 
     - Sometimes, I'm an asshole too.  formercia   Jun-02-10 05:17 PM   #150 
  - FGS, it doesn't even require clicking the link to find it.  laughingliberal   Jun-02-10 03:22 PM   #69 
  - Because they are waiting for the hostages to be released first.  EFerrari   Jun-02-10 04:05 PM   #91 
  - Normal human pride. Palestinian pride is a huge problem for Israel  Catherina   Jun-02-10 04:53 PM   #135 
  - I have heard that the actual demand from Hamas is that the people  Vinnie From Indy   Jun-02-10 02:08 PM   #2 
  - Partially correct.  ColesCountyDem   Jun-02-10 02:13 PM   #7 
  - Or so we are told. nt  Crystal Clarity   Jun-02-10 02:22 PM   #14 
  - By the IDF. The IDF!!! nt/  Crystal Clarity   Jun-02-10 02:25 PM   #16 
  - Link?  EFerrari   Jun-02-10 04:07 PM   #94 
     - Unless CNN edited it since the OP, it's in the OP. n/t  ColesCountyDem   Jun-02-10 04:35 PM   #114 
  - Many of those folks have already been deported...  brendan120678   Jun-02-10 02:13 PM   #8 
     - Meanwhile, their people are hungry  leftynyc   Jun-02-10 02:30 PM   #22 
     - I don't disagree.  brendan120678   Jun-02-10 02:36 PM   #31 
     - IOW: that is their version of a PR stunt  Nuclear Unicorn   Jun-02-10 02:40 PM   #35 
        - And the people they profess to care about go hungry. n/t  ColesCountyDem   Jun-02-10 02:46 PM   #42 
        - What a busy little person you are.  EFerrari   Jun-02-10 04:09 PM   #98 
        - The side that's putting on a stunt would be Israel.  Raineyb   Jun-02-10 02:55 PM   #52 
           - Sorry  Nuclear Unicorn   Jun-02-10 03:17 PM   #64 
              - And what does this have to do with this display of thuggery being put on by Israel?  Raineyb   Jun-02-10 04:05 PM   #90 
  - Netanyahu shot himself in the foot.  lumberjack_jeff   Jun-02-10 02:09 PM   #3 
  - If only that asshole would aim about six feet higher.... nt  T Wolf   Jun-02-10 02:12 PM   #5 
     - Sick. n/t  Dutch   Jun-03-10 08:07 AM   #211 
  - "expired medications"???  Sanity Claws   Jun-02-10 02:13 PM   #6 
  - No, not neccessarily.  ColesCountyDem   Jun-02-10 02:14 PM   #9 
     - True, not necessarily, but likely so  subsuelo   Jun-02-10 02:27 PM   #19 
        - No facts to support that assumption. n/t  ColesCountyDem   Jun-02-10 02:28 PM   #21 
        - Nor any for yours. Why are your opinions so very special?  Ignis   Jun-02-10 02:57 PM   #54 
           - They're not, just pointing out that the contrary may also be true.  ColesCountyDem   Jun-02-10 03:17 PM   #63 
        - That's a completely inane speculation  Inuca   Jun-02-10 02:32 PM   #24 
           - They just murdered 10 peace activists  subsuelo   Jun-02-10 03:23 PM   #71 
              - Or did they shoot 10 blockade runners who violently resisted being boarded?  ColesCountyDem   Jun-02-10 03:34 PM   #79 
                 - Yes, and I trust the peace activists, not IDF spokespeople. n/t  subsuelo   Jun-02-10 03:45 PM   #84 
                 - 2 sides: The shooters and the shot. Whom shall we believe?  Ignis   Jun-02-10 04:37 PM   #116 
                 - That is rather the question, isn't it?  ColesCountyDem   Jun-02-10 04:43 PM   #119 
                    - I don't think so, but you may, if you like.  Ignis   Jun-02-10 04:44 PM   #121 
                       - I prefer to let the things speak for themslves.  ColesCountyDem   Jun-02-10 04:46 PM   #124 
                          - So we can't trust eyewitness accounts at all, ever, in any circumstance?  Ignis   Jun-02-10 04:49 PM   #130 
                             - Possibly, as long as we aren't selective about WHICH eyewitnesses we listen to.  ColesCountyDem   Jun-02-10 04:55 PM   #136 
                 - i believe it was 10 peace activists who rightfully defended themselves from an illegal boarding  Bodhi BloodWave   Jun-03-10 01:32 AM   #208 
  - I guess some humanitarian aid is more.... necessary than others.  LanternWaste   Jun-02-10 02:26 PM   #17 
  - And scoring a propaganda victory is perhaps more necessary still. n/t  ColesCountyDem   Jun-02-10 02:27 PM   #20 
  - The cargo was stolen off the boats by Israel and probably doesn't include all of the aid collected.  Better Believe It   Jun-02-10 02:31 PM   #23 
  - So what do you think that Israel withheld  Inuca   Jun-02-10 02:34 PM   #27 
     - Yes I do. Did you see the stuff on that blockade list?  Raineyb   Jun-02-10 02:51 PM   #46 
  - Accepting the stolen cargo would amount to sanctioning the blockade.  Better Believe It   Jun-02-10 02:32 PM   #25 
  - It also leads to the continued hardships of the people they profess to care about.  ColesCountyDem   Jun-02-10 02:36 PM   #30 
  - Really? Why?  Inuca   Jun-02-10 02:37 PM   #32 
  - Israel supplies water and electricity to Gaza  harkadog   Jun-02-10 02:58 PM   #55 
     - If Israel could cut it, they would. What do you think the international response to that would be?  Better Believe It   Jun-02-10 04:58 PM   #139 
        - So if people in TJ were lobbing rockets into San Diego  harkadog   Jun-02-10 05:27 PM   #154 
  - Israel should just torpedo the entire "relief" fleet and let them all sink. nt  old mark   Jun-02-10 02:37 PM   #33 
  - I hope that was meant as sarcasm....  mike_c   Jun-02-10 03:14 PM   #60 
  - But they can't. Because the world will not put up with the crime against Gaza any longer.  EFerrari   Jun-02-10 06:12 PM   #174 
  - Everyone Is NOT Released  slipslidingaway   Jun-02-10 02:41 PM   #36 
  - I don't have a link to ANY article written by the IDF.  ColesCountyDem   Jun-02-10 02:44 PM   #40 
     - CNN picked up the IDF article ... looks like CNN lists them as the source  slipslidingaway   Jun-02-10 02:50 PM   #45 
        - Instead of money-laundering, we're seeing press-release-laundering.  Ignis   Jun-02-10 02:58 PM   #56 
           - Yes and so obvious. n/t  slipslidingaway   Jun-02-10 03:03 PM   #58 
  - Israel trying to cleanup after a fuckup  Confusious   Jun-02-10 02:55 PM   #51 
  - Yes, they ARE stupid.  ColesCountyDem   Jun-02-10 03:20 PM   #66 
     - Israel strictly controls what is allowed into Gaza ...  slipslidingaway   Jun-02-10 03:39 PM   #82 
  - How's that agenda working out for you?  Ignis   Jun-02-10 02:56 PM   #53 
  - Or the death of 20 blockade runners. n/t  ColesCountyDem   Jun-02-10 03:18 PM   #65 
     - Does it matter? Liberals shouldn't cheer soldiers shooting civilians.  Ignis   Jun-02-10 03:23 PM   #70 
     - A people who support the rule of law shouldn't automatically assume that criminals are noble. n/t  ColesCountyDem   Jun-02-10 03:24 PM   #74 
        - Murder is not an appropriate response to resisting arrest.  Ignis   Jun-02-10 03:27 PM   #75 
        - It happens even in civilian settings. n/t  ColesCountyDem   Jun-02-10 03:31 PM   #78 
           - So Amadou Diallo excuses the actions of the IDF?  Ignis   Jun-02-10 03:36 PM   #80 
              - Don't conflate issues, please. n/t  ColesCountyDem   Jun-02-10 03:59 PM   #87 
                 - See post # 78.  Ignis   Jun-02-10 04:01 PM   #88 
                    - I don't need to see it. I posted it, ffs!  ColesCountyDem   Jun-02-10 04:07 PM   #93 
                       - Clearing it up for you as YOU are clearly not getting it. He's calling YOU obtuse.  Raineyb   Jun-02-10 04:08 PM   #95 
                          - No, he's trying to conflate issues and set up a straw man.  ColesCountyDem   Jun-02-10 04:09 PM   #97 
                          - Actually, your OP is flamebait and BS. But you know that.  EFerrari   Jun-02-10 04:10 PM   #99 
                          - What I *know* is that it's neither.  ColesCountyDem   Jun-02-10 04:14 PM   #104 
                             - You can't know that because you've relied on the IDF as your source.  EFerrari   Jun-02-10 06:03 PM   #168 
                                - Oh, Hamas is the god of all truth?  ColesCountyDem   Jun-02-10 06:18 PM   #178 
                                   - Why would Hamas be the other choice? Weak.  EFerrari   Jun-02-10 06:21 PM   #181 
                                      - No weaker than half the predictable arguments you've posted. n/t  ColesCountyDem   Jun-02-10 06:23 PM   #182 
                                         - Well, no. I have never defended Hamas.  EFerrari   Jun-02-10 06:26 PM   #187 
                                         - Self-defense is an absolute defense to murder.  ColesCountyDem   Jun-02-10 10:07 PM   #200 
                          - Again, see post # 78. Who tried to excuse this by pointing to non-military incidents?  Ignis   Jun-02-10 04:23 PM   #109 
                             - The operative word in my post was 'too'.  ColesCountyDem   Jun-02-10 04:36 PM   #115 
                                - And the magic word "too" changes it from an excuse to ... what, exactly?  Ignis   Jun-02-10 04:43 PM   #120 
                                   - If you resist arrest violently in civilian life, you too may get shot.  ColesCountyDem   Jun-02-10 04:47 PM   #126 
                                      - So how, exactly, was I conflating two unrelated issues?  Ignis   Jun-02-10 04:48 PM   #128 
                                         - You used the word 'murder', which is a conclusory term I did NOT use.  ColesCountyDem   Jun-02-10 04:52 PM   #133 
                                            - Yes, I did. How does that word conflate two unrelated issues?  Ignis   Jun-02-10 04:58 PM   #138 
                                            - You use the terms 'civilians' in reply, whereas I said 'blockade runners'.  ColesCountyDem   Jun-02-10 05:06 PM   #141 
                                            - I'm not here to do your homework for you. Support your claim.  Ignis   Jun-02-10 05:15 PM   #147 
                                            - And I'll remind you that you injected the term 'murder' into it.  ColesCountyDem   Jun-02-10 05:22 PM   #152 
                                            - More hand-waving, no support. Try again.  Ignis   Jun-02-10 05:49 PM   #162 
                                            - Then argue with yourself about what YOU said.  ColesCountyDem   Jun-02-10 06:14 PM   #176 
                          - "He's being rather polite about it."  Ignis   Jun-02-10 04:24 PM   #110 
        - Nixon lives! nt  laughingliberal   Jun-02-10 03:28 PM   #76 
           - LOL  EFerrari   Jun-02-10 04:12 PM   #102 
           - I knew they should have driven a wooden stake through his heart!  ColesCountyDem   Jun-02-10 04:15 PM   #107 
     - Deleted message  Name removed   Jun-02-10 03:30 PM   #77 
  - Stupid n/t  UndertheOcean   Jun-02-10 03:39 PM   #83 
  - I'm shocked, SHOCKED that this post hasn't been flushed to the dungeon.  Ignis   Jun-02-10 03:46 PM   #85 
  - IDF flamebait?  EFerrari   Jun-02-10 04:08 PM   #96 
     - I don't knowingly post flamebait.  ColesCountyDem   Jun-02-10 04:13 PM   #103 
        - It's not flamebait, it's a perfectly legitimate issue...  PCIntern   Jun-02-10 04:46 PM   #125 
        - Thank you.  ColesCountyDem   Jun-02-10 04:48 PM   #127 
        - I think the point is many I-P stories are "legitimate issues" but still get sent to the IP dungeon..  marmar   Jun-02-10 04:51 PM   #132 
        - As this one likely will be.  ColesCountyDem   Jun-02-10 04:53 PM   #134 
        - And yet you chose to post it in GD. That's odd.  Ignis   Jun-02-10 05:50 PM   #163 
        - Mine isn't. My point is that stories based on IDF press releases  EFerrari   Jun-02-10 06:01 PM   #167 
        - Yes, it is flamebait based on an IDF press release.  EFerrari   Jun-02-10 05:58 PM   #166 
           - CNN said that, if you'd bothered to do more than scan the link.  ColesCountyDem   Jun-02-10 06:20 PM   #180 
        - you didn't post flamebait  davidinalameda   Jun-03-10 01:50 PM   #220 
           - Which DUers, precisely, are Hamas apologists?  Ignis   Jun-03-10 05:27 PM   #223 
  - The two incidents can't be compared but are related  CarlaLevin   Jun-02-10 04:15 PM   #106 
  - Let me buy you a drink!  ColesCountyDem   Jun-02-10 04:21 PM   #108 
  - Turning away aid has nothing to do with being in Israeli trucks ...  slipslidingaway   Jun-02-10 04:32 PM   #111 
  - I'm not all that bright, so I think  PCIntern   Jun-02-10 04:34 PM   #113 
     - There was no great outrage, when the dead and maimed were 'only' Israelis.  ColesCountyDem   Jun-02-10 04:38 PM   #117 
     - It sure is exciting around here...  PCIntern   Jun-02-10 04:44 PM   #122 
     - Too exciting, at times.  ColesCountyDem   Jun-02-10 04:49 PM   #129 
     - and yet you claim throughout this thread to have no agenda...?  mike_c   Jun-02-10 05:16 PM   #148 
        - Well, he may make that claim...  PCIntern   Jun-02-10 05:18 PM   #151 
           - yes, you've displayed your racism and hatred clearly for all to witness....  mike_c   Jun-02-10 05:33 PM   #156 
              - Here's an unpleasant fact.  ColesCountyDem   Jun-02-10 05:41 PM   #160 
                 - do you apply that reasoning to all "loser" groups or just Palestinians...?  mike_c   Jun-02-10 05:53 PM   #165 
                 - How about we apply it here and now?  ColesCountyDem   Jun-02-10 06:04 PM   #169 
                 - normally I'd just Ignore you after a remark as callous and un-liberal as that...  mike_c   Jun-02-10 06:25 PM   #185 
                    - Perfect!  Caretha   Jun-03-10 06:43 PM   #225 
                 - By the way, did any of those folks make the choice to support the losing side FOUR times over ...  ColesCountyDem   Jun-02-10 06:13 PM   #175 
                 - "Yeah, and fuck those Native Americans, too! Bunch of losers!"  Ignis   Jun-03-10 05:30 PM   #224 
     - well, it's clear that you don't know much about who's doing most of the dying....  mike_c   Jun-02-10 04:59 PM   #140 
        - yes, and if the 'freedom fighters as you would call them  PCIntern   Jun-02-10 05:09 PM   #144 
        - How about the Palestinians Hamas 'kneecaps', the bookstores it bombs, the dress code it imposes ...  ColesCountyDem   Jun-02-10 05:13 PM   #146 
           - No, you don't. You have proven that amply in this case. n/t  EFerrari   Jun-02-10 06:08 PM   #173 
              - Wrong.  ColesCountyDem   Jun-02-10 06:19 PM   #179 
                 - Objectively, you are defending murder and trying to bury that fact  EFerrari   Jun-02-10 06:28 PM   #188 
                    - I'm doing no such thing.  ColesCountyDem   Jun-02-10 10:06 PM   #199 
        - And Hamas completely rejects the very idea of peace with Israel.  ColesCountyDem   Jun-02-10 05:10 PM   #145 
           - Too much logic...  PCIntern   Jun-02-10 05:16 PM   #149 
           - Should I also use inflammatory wording, and ALL CAPS?  ColesCountyDem   Jun-02-10 05:23 PM   #153 
              - I believe that politemess goes a long way in this issue...  PCIntern   Jun-02-10 05:31 PM   #155 
                 - I try to remain civil, especially when the issue is a 'hot topic'.  ColesCountyDem   Jun-02-10 05:35 PM   #157 
                 - Politemess Yes  Binka   Jun-02-10 05:49 PM   #161 
                    - Thank you, I think!  PCIntern   Jun-02-10 05:52 PM   #164 
                    - Enjoy!  ColesCountyDem   Jun-02-10 06:06 PM   #170 
                    - Who are these peoiple?  EFerrari   Jun-02-10 06:08 PM   #172 
           - And that is not true. But what a mediocre attempt to blame shift.  EFerrari   Jun-02-10 06:07 PM   #171 
              - Not true, eh?  ColesCountyDem   Jun-02-10 06:16 PM   #177 
                 - No, like the bs OP you posted, this claim is also untrue.  EFerrari   Jun-02-10 06:24 PM   #184 
                    - So, Hamas has agreed to live in peace with Israel, eh?  ColesCountyDem   Jun-02-10 10:11 PM   #202 
  - Doesn't surprise me. Hamas doesn't give a shit about the Gazans.  proteus_lives   Jun-02-10 06:23 PM   #183 
  - Hamas refused medical help for their citizens too, so this is no surprise  shira   Jun-02-10 08:25 PM   #197 
     - Yep.  proteus_lives   Jun-02-10 10:12 PM   #203 
  - Have fun, all.  ColesCountyDem   Jun-02-10 06:26 PM   #186 
  - We will. And I've reposted the Christian Science Monitor story debunking this IDF bs  EFerrari   Jun-02-10 06:39 PM   #193 
     - It 'debunks' the IDF statement how?  ColesCountyDem   Jun-02-10 10:10 PM   #201 
        - A half truth. Of course the IDF won't mention that it's holding hundreds of peace activists HOSTAGE  EFerrari   Jun-02-10 11:29 PM   #207 
           - No, it's holding hundreds of blockade runners pending their deportation. n/t  ColesCountyDem   Jun-03-10 01:33 PM   #216 
  - Key phrase: "Israel has attempted to deliver. . . "  Alamuti Lotus   Jun-02-10 07:28 PM   #195 
  - best and most succinct summary in this thread....  mike_c   Jun-02-10 09:26 PM   #198 
  - And the key phrase is correct.  ColesCountyDem   Jun-02-10 10:13 PM   #204 
  - Reason according to article JP:  ave   Jun-02-10 11:11 PM   #205 
  - No dance here is the Hamas statement from a Palestinian source  azurnoir   Jun-02-10 11:22 PM   #206 
  - I am dancing around nothing  Alamuti Lotus   Jun-03-10 03:43 AM   #209 
     - A refusal is a refusal is a refusal.  ColesCountyDem   Jun-03-10 01:35 PM   #217 
  - Yes, those Israelis are real bastards for trying to deliver huimanitarian aid to Gaza  Dutch   Jun-03-10 08:12 AM   #212 
     - bastards for piracy, murder, and kidnapping in the first place  Alamuti Lotus   Jun-03-10 07:36 PM   #226 
  - Unbelievable  Dutch   Jun-03-10 08:07 AM   #210 
  - Yeah, I heard those picachu backpacks  Tripmann   Jun-03-10 09:11 AM   #213 
     - I would imagine that many of those 'aid activists' who have...  hayu_lol   Jun-03-10 10:28 AM   #214 
        - Are you trying to convince yourself or other people  Tripmann   Jun-03-10 10:37 AM   #215 
  - UN official voices deep concern as Hamas raids offices of aid groups  Ian David   Jun-03-10 01:41 PM   #218 
  - this is very interesting  davidinalameda   Jun-03-10 01:42 PM   #219 
  - Zionist propaganda arm that is CNN failed to mention that Hamas demanded release  IndianaGreen   Jun-03-10 04:23 PM   #221 
     - So what?  ColesCountyDem   Jun-03-10 05:24 PM   #222 

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