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Mon May-31-10 04:04 PM
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| 117. Do you really think you're going to justify piracy and murder in international waters? |
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I see Israel thinks it can extend "castle doctrine" (right of self-defense at home) to cover other peoples' homes, including anywhere Israeli commandos happen to burst in heavily armed with gunships firing from the air.
Those soldiers are invaders of another state's sovereign territory. International waters. Armed to the teeth, and ready to murder.
This is one case where I see the value of the "Second Amendment" philosophy.
No one should have died, but if anyone did, as a result of the Israeli-initiated action, it should have been the invaders who fell in the course of committing their crime. Not the civilians they murdered, whose self-defense was amply justified.
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| -Close-Up Footage of Mavi Marmara Passengers Attacking IDF Soldiers |
Mosby |
May-31-10 12:09 PM |
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armed to the teeth w/ metal poles AND chairs |
xxqqqzme |
May-31-10 12:12 PM |
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you ever been hit by a plastic lawn chair? It could actually sting for a second or two |
yurbud |
May-31-10 01:09 PM |
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My little brother threw a lawn chair at me, so I had to kill him! |
activa8tr |
May-31-10 01:20 PM |
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He should be every killer's defense attorney--move over, Johnny Cochrane! |
yurbud |
May-31-10 01:37 PM |
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I'm glad you caught my sarcasm. Some people don't. n/t |
activa8tr |
May-31-10 01:45 PM |
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I went to China and started shooting people, but they threw lawn chairs at me so it's okay |
JackRiddler |
May-31-10 04:05 PM |
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can I come hit you in the head with a pole? |
backwoodsbob |
May-31-10 03:58 PM |
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Only if you are armed and invading my ship in international waters for no reason. then |
activa8tr |
May-31-10 04:08 PM |
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May-31-10 12:12 PM |
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Which part of international waters did the Israeli troops not understand? |
proud2BlibKansan |
May-31-10 12:12 PM |
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+1 |
FLAprogressive |
May-31-10 12:14 PM |
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Seriously. We applaud passengers who fight back against Somali pirates. |
Barack_America |
May-31-10 12:18 PM |
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Worse than pirates, WAR CRIMINALS! n/t |
WeDidIt |
May-31-10 12:45 PM |
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Actually by definition they can't be pirates |
Recursion |
May-31-10 01:27 PM |
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The semantics are understood, but the activity is analogous... |
JackRiddler |
May-31-10 04:06 PM |
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The soldiers had no business boarding those ships, they were in International waters. |
LakeSamish706 |
May-31-10 12:12 PM |
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Israel must have missed the flotillas press release |
Riftaxe |
May-31-10 02:35 PM |
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You make the bold assumption that Israel's blockade is totally legitimate. |
tabasco |
May-31-10 02:55 PM |
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no he made the bold assurtion that these werent peaceful activists |
backwoodsbob |
May-31-10 03:17 PM |
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Wow. Metal poles AND chairs? |
Recursion |
May-31-10 12:13 PM |
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It's a miracle they didn't down the helicopter with their chairs. |
EFerrari |
May-31-10 12:17 PM |
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poles and chairs are a step up from stones |
peacetalksforall |
May-31-10 12:19 PM |
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Good for them. Too bad they didn't have automatic weapons. |
Webster Green |
May-31-10 12:14 PM |
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+1 |
FLAprogressive |
May-31-10 12:16 PM |
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Look how bloodthirsty. |
proteus_lives |
May-31-10 12:44 PM |
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so are most Americans according to some |
backwoodsbob |
May-31-10 03:19 PM |
#111 |
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The IDF are known liars. n/t |
Scurrilous |
May-31-10 12:15 PM |
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May-31-10 12:15 PM |
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Heaven forbid that people defend themselves against jackboots. |
EFerrari |
May-31-10 12:15 PM |
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If the video is accurate, then the Israeli's use of force was legitimate...n/t |
Ozymanithrax |
May-31-10 12:16 PM |
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Bullshit. They had no jurisdiction. They were boarding illegally. |
EFerrari |
May-31-10 12:17 PM |
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That may be true. The courts will settle that. |
Ozymanithrax |
May-31-10 12:27 PM |
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Apologist fail. If you board a ship with weapons you are the personappling deadly force. |
Arctic Dave |
May-31-10 12:42 PM |
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+1 [n/t] |
stranger81 |
May-31-10 01:05 PM |
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so if another country invades us we should just use water cannons? |
backwoodsbob |
May-31-10 03:23 PM |
#112 |
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International waters, corect. |
Arctic Dave |
May-31-10 03:51 PM |
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You think anyone will end up in a non-Israeli court? |
Donald Ian Rankin |
May-31-10 02:38 PM |
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Absolute bullshit |
Recursion |
May-31-10 12:18 PM |
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No it's Israel and they can do no wrong |
azurnoir |
May-31-10 12:27 PM |
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Of course Israel can do wrong. They probably did so in this incident. |
Ozymanithrax |
May-31-10 12:38 PM |
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So Mosby glad to see your participating in Israel's |
azurnoir |
May-31-10 12:50 PM |
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I am former military. If someone hits you with metal pipes that is deadly force. n/t |
Ozymanithrax |
May-31-10 12:35 PM |
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Were Any IDF Pirates KIA From These Deadly Attacks? |
jayfish |
May-31-10 12:41 PM |
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Not that I've heard, but it still qualifies as deadly force. |
Ozymanithrax |
May-31-10 12:45 PM |
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Fair Enough. |
jayfish |
May-31-10 12:50 PM |
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Not me! |
elias49 |
May-31-10 01:19 PM |
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Apologists for this Israeli aggression make me sick. |
Flaneur |
May-31-10 12:51 PM |
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Me too! Particularly when there were a hundred other ways to |
activa8tr |
May-31-10 01:47 PM |
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You never learned an escalation matrix in the military? |
Recursion |
May-31-10 12:57 PM |
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yes but this wasn't on Israeli soil or in territorial waters |
anigbrowl |
May-31-10 02:39 PM |
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So civilians are not allowed to defend themselves against |
azurnoir |
May-31-10 12:23 PM |
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Perhaps it was and will be judged that way. However, smuggling is also... |
Ozymanithrax |
May-31-10 12:40 PM |
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Where do you get your ideas? Seems like |
activa8tr |
May-31-10 12:47 PM |
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Yes, it was. |
proteus_lives |
May-31-10 12:41 PM |
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I hope you understand this wasn't an improvised operation |
ChangoLoa |
May-31-10 02:20 PM |
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They should have never been on that boat in the first place. |
chrisa |
May-31-10 06:09 PM |
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Laughable. |
jayfish |
May-31-10 12:17 PM |
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Video of solider being stabbed by "peace activist" |
Mosby |
May-31-10 12:17 PM |
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Israel's boarding of the ship was ILLEGAL. It was in international waters. |
FLAprogressive |
May-31-10 12:19 PM |
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Much as I deplore some of the disgusting comments in this thread |
cali |
May-31-10 12:21 PM |
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The Free Gaza group made it very clear what their goals were |
Mosby |
May-31-10 12:37 PM |
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they were not in Israeli waters. Period. And the waters off Gaza are not |
cali |
May-31-10 12:41 PM |
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I don't think it's that clear at this point |
Mosby |
May-31-10 01:21 PM |
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Mods, please move to Israeli propaganda forum |
Dr.Phool |
May-31-10 12:22 PM |
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May-31-10 12:25 PM |
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ridiculous. this post will be moved or locked. |
cali |
May-31-10 12:30 PM |
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May-31-10 12:34 PM |
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Gaza flotilla: "activists" chant about killing Jews |
Mosby |
May-31-10 12:23 PM |
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WTF... |
anigbrowl |
May-31-10 12:29 PM |
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Sure but that fact, legal or not, was not a violent act |
Mosby |
May-31-10 12:39 PM |
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Wrong. The ship took fire BEFORE the boarding |
EFerrari |
May-31-10 12:42 PM |
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Coming from you I'll take that as a compliment |
Mosby |
May-31-10 01:00 PM |
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Can you prove they didn't? Lucky for both of us, there were journalists |
EFerrari |
May-31-10 01:40 PM |
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Your link proves nothing |
Mosby |
May-31-10 02:14 PM |
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Yes, it does. There is a hot link. And that video has already gone viral. |
EFerrari |
May-31-10 02:59 PM |
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Are you talking about this video? |
Mosby |
May-31-10 05:08 PM |
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And RawStory put it together. This is what the IDF and its flunkies were trying to |
EFerrari |
May-31-10 09:42 PM |
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It's bad Israeli propaganda. |
chrisa |
May-31-10 06:15 PM |
#124 |
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breaking the apartheid blockade to aid suffering people is "violence?" |
mike_c |
May-31-10 02:25 PM |
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Sorry, but it is. |
anigbrowl |
May-31-10 02:44 PM |
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The horrible taunting those IDF forces must have endured! |
Moochy |
May-31-10 12:40 PM |
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Now watch as they close their eyes and ears to that. |
proteus_lives |
May-31-10 12:43 PM |
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No, but I do find it amusing (and consistent)... |
Recursion |
May-31-10 01:11 PM |
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It's looking like the boarding was legal |
Mosby |
May-31-10 01:24 PM |
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Unfortunately for legal reasons Israel cannot call it a "blockade" |
Recursion |
May-31-10 01:30 PM |
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I think your IDF reserve unit is calling. |
Flaneur |
May-31-10 12:52 PM |
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Right... I'm sure that happened. |
chrisa |
May-31-10 06:17 PM |
#125 |
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In other news, rape victims are advised to lie still and "take it" |
IDemo |
May-31-10 12:23 PM |
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I read that the commandos are claiming they were lowered to the ship with unloaded weapons |
OregonBlue |
May-31-10 12:23 PM |
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They Are Like Children Who Will Say Anything That Comes To Their Minds... |
jayfish |
May-31-10 12:25 PM |
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AP reported that Israel set up the Gaza blockade after Hamas "overran" Gaza. |
EFerrari |
May-31-10 12:29 PM |
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Yeah, that gets me to. Hamas wins election, Fatah has a coup and tries to kick Hamas out |
Recursion |
May-31-10 01:08 PM |
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So they had some sticks? |
David__77 |
May-31-10 12:25 PM |
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The Sea Shepherd has adopted similar tactics |
Riftaxe |
May-31-10 02:48 PM |
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It is time to label the IDF as a terrorist organization...nt |
Change Happens |
May-31-10 12:28 PM |
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Stupid. Israel pulled a stupid one. Where is the video with the proof of danger to Israel if the |
peacetalksforall |
May-31-10 12:28 PM |
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not LBN - not a credible source - nt |
msongs |
May-31-10 12:28 PM |
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I Love How Comments Are Turned Off On The Page. |
jayfish |
May-31-10 12:38 PM |
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I could write a mile-long post |
bitchkitty |
May-31-10 12:30 PM |
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what can you say to a fucking terrorism apologist that wouldn't |
jonnyblitz |
May-31-10 12:51 PM |
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They were attacked !!! |
SILVER__FOX52 |
May-31-10 12:37 PM |
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By " they ", I mean the Flotilla |
SILVER__FOX52 |
May-31-10 12:43 PM |
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this needs locking badly. The IDF is NOT a news source. |
cali |
May-31-10 12:39 PM |
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Yes, quite true, IDF a propaganda machine, but why block the thread? |
activa8tr |
May-31-10 12:52 PM |
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I never thought of that. It's entirely possible. |
EFerrari |
May-31-10 12:56 PM |
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Well, why would they only show the attack by lawn chairs and poles and NOT |
activa8tr |
May-31-10 02:25 PM |
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The landing was different, too. The video filmed by AJ |
EFerrari |
May-31-10 02:54 PM |
#103 |
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Yeah, this video is MEGA suspicious, the lighting, the continued |
activa8tr |
May-31-10 03:08 PM |
#108 |
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The video shot by Al jazeera shows three guys with their back to the railing |
EFerrari |
May-31-10 03:13 PM |
#109 |
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You really think the video is faked? |
Mosby |
May-31-10 01:07 PM |
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*shrug* it looks like a daytime operation to me |
Recursion |
May-31-10 01:10 PM |
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The more I think about it, it could be. Why would the IDF lower their troops into a mob? |
EFerrari |
May-31-10 03:03 PM |
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"IDF soldiers who were trying to board the ship" |
Warren Stupidity |
May-31-10 12:45 PM |
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You couldn't parody a more ridiculous response. |
hulka38 |
May-31-10 12:55 PM |
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And yet that is the IDF's spin. |
EFerrari |
May-31-10 12:57 PM |
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Umm... wait... it's daytime in that video, isn't it? NT |
Recursion |
May-31-10 01:00 PM |
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night vision footage n/t |
yurbud |
May-31-10 01:07 PM |
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You sure? That usually "smears" motion more, and they look illuminated from above |
Recursion |
May-31-10 01:10 PM |
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they've improved it, though I think the crappy green stuff is the only kind available to civilians |
yurbud |
May-31-10 01:40 PM |
#89 |
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LOL-- "violently attacking" soldiers who are attempting to board without permission... |
mike_c |
May-31-10 01:21 PM |
#83 |
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Take a look at threads on the I/P forum |
azurnoir |
May-31-10 02:56 PM |
#105 |
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Next time your boat is invaded by the IDF, simply bend over and take it up the ass like |
Arrowhead2k1 |
May-31-10 01:26 PM |
#85 |
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I'll remember that advice! I usually only bend over and take it |
activa8tr |
May-31-10 01:48 PM |
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The IDF et al really are becoming the laughing stock of the world. |
ave |
May-31-10 03:31 PM |
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Nice way of putting it: |
ave |
May-31-10 03:39 PM |
#114 |
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Do you really think you're going to justify piracy and murder in international waters? |
JackRiddler |
May-31-10 04:04 PM |
#117 |
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What a load of garbage. |
chrisa |
May-31-10 06:07 PM |
#122 |
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