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Ozymanithrax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-31-10 12:40 PM
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47. Perhaps it was and will be judged that way. However, smuggling is also...
considered form of piracy. These people chose non-compliance with an unjust law. They should have made that non-violent non-compliance as was done the last time. No one would have been shot and their message would still have gotten across.
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  -Close-Up Footage of Mavi Marmara Passengers Attacking IDF Soldiers Mosby  May-31-10 12:09 PM   #0 
  - armed to the teeth w/ metal poles AND chairs  xxqqqzme   May-31-10 12:12 PM   # 
  - you ever been hit by a plastic lawn chair? It could actually sting for a second or two  yurbud   May-31-10 01:09 PM   #76 
  - My little brother threw a lawn chair at me, so I had to kill him!  activa8tr   May-31-10 01:20 PM   #81 
     - He should be every killer's defense attorney--move over, Johnny Cochrane!  yurbud   May-31-10 01:37 PM   #88 
     - I'm glad you caught my sarcasm. Some people don't. n/t  activa8tr   May-31-10 01:45 PM   #91 
     - I went to China and started shooting people, but they threw lawn chairs at me so it's okay  JackRiddler   May-31-10 04:05 PM   #118 
  - can I come hit you in the head with a pole?  backwoodsbob   May-31-10 03:58 PM   #116 
     - Only if you are armed and invading my ship in international waters for no reason. then  activa8tr   May-31-10 04:08 PM   #120 
  - Deleted sub-thread  Name removed   May-31-10 12:12 PM   #1 
  - Which part of international waters did the Israeli troops not understand?  proud2BlibKansan   May-31-10 12:12 PM   #2 
  - +1  FLAprogressive   May-31-10 12:14 PM   #5 
  - Seriously. We applaud passengers who fight back against Somali pirates.  Barack_America   May-31-10 12:18 PM   #17 
     - Worse than pirates, WAR CRIMINALS! n/t  WeDidIt   May-31-10 12:45 PM   #57 
     - Actually by definition they can't be pirates  Recursion   May-31-10 01:27 PM   #86 
        - The semantics are understood, but the activity is analogous...  JackRiddler   May-31-10 04:06 PM   #119 
  - The soldiers had no business boarding those ships, they were in International waters.  LakeSamish706   May-31-10 12:12 PM   #3 
  - Israel must have missed the flotillas press release  Riftaxe   May-31-10 02:35 PM   #98 
     - You make the bold assumption that Israel's blockade is totally legitimate.  tabasco   May-31-10 02:55 PM   #104 
        - no he made the bold assurtion that these werent peaceful activists  backwoodsbob   May-31-10 03:17 PM   #110 
  - Wow. Metal poles AND chairs?  Recursion   May-31-10 12:13 PM   #4 
  - It's a miracle they didn't down the helicopter with their chairs.  EFerrari   May-31-10 12:17 PM   #12 
  - poles and chairs are a step up from stones  peacetalksforall   May-31-10 12:19 PM   #19 
  - Good for them. Too bad they didn't have automatic weapons.  Webster Green   May-31-10 12:14 PM   #6 
  - +1  FLAprogressive   May-31-10 12:16 PM   #10 
  - Look how bloodthirsty.  proteus_lives   May-31-10 12:44 PM   #55 
  - so are most Americans according to some  backwoodsbob   May-31-10 03:19 PM   #111 
  - The IDF are known liars. n/t  Scurrilous   May-31-10 12:15 PM   #7 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   May-31-10 12:15 PM   #8 
  - Heaven forbid that people defend themselves against jackboots.  EFerrari   May-31-10 12:15 PM   #9 
  - If the video is accurate, then the Israeli's use of force was legitimate...n/t  Ozymanithrax   May-31-10 12:16 PM   #11 
  - Bullshit. They had no jurisdiction. They were boarding illegally.  EFerrari   May-31-10 12:17 PM   #15 
  - That may be true. The courts will settle that.  Ozymanithrax   May-31-10 12:27 PM   #29 
     - Apologist fail. If you board a ship with weapons you are the personappling deadly force.  Arctic Dave   May-31-10 12:42 PM   #52 
     - +1 [n/t]  stranger81   May-31-10 01:05 PM   #72 
     - so if another country invades us we should just use water cannons?  backwoodsbob   May-31-10 03:23 PM   #112 
        - International waters, corect.  Arctic Dave   May-31-10 03:51 PM   #115 
     - You think anyone will end up in a non-Israeli court?  Donald Ian Rankin   May-31-10 02:38 PM   #99 
  - Absolute bullshit  Recursion   May-31-10 12:18 PM   #16 
  - No it's Israel and they can do no wrong  azurnoir   May-31-10 12:27 PM   #30 
  - Of course Israel can do wrong. They probably did so in this incident.  Ozymanithrax   May-31-10 12:38 PM   #43 
  - So Mosby glad to see your participating in Israel's  azurnoir   May-31-10 12:50 PM   #61 
  - I am former military. If someone hits you with metal pipes that is deadly force. n/t  Ozymanithrax   May-31-10 12:35 PM   #39 
     - Were Any IDF Pirates KIA From These Deadly Attacks?  jayfish   May-31-10 12:41 PM   #49 
     - Not that I've heard, but it still qualifies as deadly force.  Ozymanithrax   May-31-10 12:45 PM   #58 
        - Fair Enough.  jayfish   May-31-10 12:50 PM   #60 
        - Not me!  elias49   May-31-10 01:19 PM   #80 
        - Apologists for this Israeli aggression make me sick.  Flaneur   May-31-10 12:51 PM   #63 
           - Me too! Particularly when there were a hundred other ways to  activa8tr   May-31-10 01:47 PM   #92 
     - You never learned an escalation matrix in the military?  Recursion   May-31-10 12:57 PM   #69 
     - yes but this wasn't on Israeli soil or in territorial waters  anigbrowl   May-31-10 02:39 PM   #100 
  - So civilians are not allowed to defend themselves against  azurnoir   May-31-10 12:23 PM   #25 
  - Perhaps it was and will be judged that way. However, smuggling is also...  Ozymanithrax   May-31-10 12:40 PM   #47 
     - Where do you get your ideas? Seems like  activa8tr   May-31-10 12:47 PM   #59 
  - Yes, it was.  proteus_lives   May-31-10 12:41 PM   #50 
  - I hope you understand this wasn't an improvised operation  ChangoLoa   May-31-10 02:20 PM   #95 
  - They should have never been on that boat in the first place.  chrisa   May-31-10 06:09 PM   #123 
  - Laughable.  jayfish   May-31-10 12:17 PM   #13 
  - Video of solider being stabbed by "peace activist"  Mosby   May-31-10 12:17 PM   #14 
  - Israel's boarding of the ship was ILLEGAL. It was in international waters.  FLAprogressive   May-31-10 12:19 PM   #18 
  - Much as I deplore some of the disgusting comments in this thread  cali   May-31-10 12:21 PM   #20 
  - The Free Gaza group made it very clear what their goals were  Mosby   May-31-10 12:37 PM   #40 
     - they were not in Israeli waters. Period. And the waters off Gaza are not  cali   May-31-10 12:41 PM   #48 
        - I don't think it's that clear at this point  Mosby   May-31-10 01:21 PM   #82 
  - Mods, please move to Israeli propaganda forum  Dr.Phool   May-31-10 12:22 PM   #21 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   May-31-10 12:25 PM   #28 
     - ridiculous. this post will be moved or locked.  cali   May-31-10 12:30 PM   #37 
     - Deleted message  Name removed   May-31-10 12:34 PM   #38 
  - Gaza flotilla: "activists" chant about killing Jews  Mosby   May-31-10 12:23 PM   #22 
  - WTF...  anigbrowl   May-31-10 12:29 PM   #34 
  - Sure but that fact, legal or not, was not a violent act  Mosby   May-31-10 12:39 PM   #44 
     - Wrong. The ship took fire BEFORE the boarding  EFerrari   May-31-10 12:42 PM   #51 
     - Coming from you I'll take that as a compliment  Mosby   May-31-10 01:00 PM   #70 
     - Can you prove they didn't? Lucky for both of us, there were journalists  EFerrari   May-31-10 01:40 PM   #90 
        - Your link proves nothing  Mosby   May-31-10 02:14 PM   #94 
           - Yes, it does. There is a hot link. And that video has already gone viral.  EFerrari   May-31-10 02:59 PM   #106 
              - Are you talking about this video?  Mosby   May-31-10 05:08 PM   #121 
                 - And RawStory put it together. This is what the IDF and its flunkies were trying to  EFerrari   May-31-10 09:42 PM   #126 
     - It's bad Israeli propaganda.  chrisa   May-31-10 06:15 PM   #124 
     - breaking the apartheid blockade to aid suffering people is "violence?"  mike_c   May-31-10 02:25 PM   #97 
     - Sorry, but it is.  anigbrowl   May-31-10 02:44 PM   #101 
  - The horrible taunting those IDF forces must have endured!  Moochy   May-31-10 12:40 PM   #46 
  - Now watch as they close their eyes and ears to that.  proteus_lives   May-31-10 12:43 PM   #53 
  - No, but I do find it amusing (and consistent)...  Recursion   May-31-10 01:11 PM   #79 
  - It's looking like the boarding was legal  Mosby   May-31-10 01:24 PM   #84 
     - Unfortunately for legal reasons Israel cannot call it a "blockade"  Recursion   May-31-10 01:30 PM   #87 
  - I think your IDF reserve unit is calling.  Flaneur   May-31-10 12:52 PM   #65 
  - Right... I'm sure that happened.  chrisa   May-31-10 06:17 PM   #125 
  - In other news, rape victims are advised to lie still and "take it"  IDemo   May-31-10 12:23 PM   #23 
  - I read that the commandos are claiming they were lowered to the ship with unloaded weapons  OregonBlue   May-31-10 12:23 PM   #24 
  - They Are Like Children Who Will Say Anything That Comes To Their Minds...  jayfish   May-31-10 12:25 PM   #27 
  - AP reported that Israel set up the Gaza blockade after Hamas "overran" Gaza.  EFerrari   May-31-10 12:29 PM   #35 
     - Yeah, that gets me to. Hamas wins election, Fatah has a coup and tries to kick Hamas out  Recursion   May-31-10 01:08 PM   #75 
  - So they had some sticks?  David__77   May-31-10 12:25 PM   #26 
  - The Sea Shepherd has adopted similar tactics  Riftaxe   May-31-10 02:48 PM   #102 
  - It is time to label the IDF as a terrorist organization...nt  Change Happens   May-31-10 12:28 PM   #31 
  - Stupid. Israel pulled a stupid one. Where is the video with the proof of danger to Israel if the  peacetalksforall   May-31-10 12:28 PM   #32 
  - not LBN - not a credible source - nt  msongs   May-31-10 12:28 PM   #33 
  - I Love How Comments Are Turned Off On The Page.  jayfish   May-31-10 12:38 PM   #42 
  - I could write a mile-long post  bitchkitty   May-31-10 12:30 PM   #36 
  - what can you say to a fucking terrorism apologist that wouldn't  jonnyblitz   May-31-10 12:51 PM   #62 
  - They were attacked !!!  SILVER__FOX52   May-31-10 12:37 PM   #41 
  - By " they ", I mean the Flotilla  SILVER__FOX52   May-31-10 12:43 PM   #54 
  - this needs locking badly. The IDF is NOT a news source.  cali   May-31-10 12:39 PM   #45 
  - Yes, quite true, IDF a propaganda machine, but why block the thread?  activa8tr   May-31-10 12:52 PM   #64 
     - I never thought of that. It's entirely possible.  EFerrari   May-31-10 12:56 PM   #67 
     - Well, why would they only show the attack by lawn chairs and poles and NOT  activa8tr   May-31-10 02:25 PM   #96 
        - The landing was different, too. The video filmed by AJ  EFerrari   May-31-10 02:54 PM   #103 
           - Yeah, this video is MEGA suspicious, the lighting, the continued  activa8tr   May-31-10 03:08 PM   #108 
              - The video shot by Al jazeera shows three guys with their back to the railing  EFerrari   May-31-10 03:13 PM   #109 
     - You really think the video is faked?  Mosby   May-31-10 01:07 PM   #73 
        - *shrug* it looks like a daytime operation to me  Recursion   May-31-10 01:10 PM   #78 
        - The more I think about it, it could be. Why would the IDF lower their troops into a mob?  EFerrari   May-31-10 03:03 PM   #107 
  - "IDF soldiers who were trying to board the ship"  Warren Stupidity   May-31-10 12:45 PM   #56 
  - You couldn't parody a more ridiculous response.  hulka38   May-31-10 12:55 PM   #66 
  - And yet that is the IDF's spin.  EFerrari   May-31-10 12:57 PM   #68 
  - Umm... wait... it's daytime in that video, isn't it? NT  Recursion   May-31-10 01:00 PM   #71 
  - night vision footage n/t  yurbud   May-31-10 01:07 PM   #74 
     - You sure? That usually "smears" motion more, and they look illuminated from above  Recursion   May-31-10 01:10 PM   #77 
        - they've improved it, though I think the crappy green stuff is the only kind available to civilians  yurbud   May-31-10 01:40 PM   #89 
  - LOL-- "violently attacking" soldiers who are attempting to board without permission...  mike_c   May-31-10 01:21 PM   #83 
  - Take a look at threads on the I/P forum  azurnoir   May-31-10 02:56 PM   #105 
  - Next time your boat is invaded by the IDF, simply bend over and take it up the ass like  Arrowhead2k1   May-31-10 01:26 PM   #85 
  - I'll remember that advice! I usually only bend over and take it  activa8tr   May-31-10 01:48 PM   #93 
  - The IDF et al really are becoming the laughing stock of the world.  ave   May-31-10 03:31 PM   #113 
  - Nice way of putting it:  ave   May-31-10 03:39 PM   #114 
  - Do you really think you're going to justify piracy and murder in international waters?  JackRiddler   May-31-10 04:04 PM   #117 
  - What a load of garbage.  chrisa   May-31-10 06:07 PM   #122 

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