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shira Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-12-10 05:15 AM
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26. Those 3 countries practice real apartheid and are supported by the USA and UK
Edited on Wed May-12-10 05:39 AM by shira
...but that doesn't appear to bother you in the least. And neither does it appear to bother you that the UN has a different set of expectations for Israel than it does for other countries (yet another form of apartheid and you fully support it AFAIK). Goldstone, unlike David Duke, actually carried out and enforced what Duke only writes and raves about. No one here AFAIK takes Duke's rants about Israel seriously but they certainly do WRT Goldstone. All I'm looking for is a little consistency from folks like yourself.

As for the ANC, they were BFF with Arafat back in the 70's when the PLO was only interested in fulfilling their destructive charter (hardly a peaceful liberation movement). They also had close ties to complete pieces of shit like Idi Amin at the height of his lunacy and especially after the IDF raid on Entebbe in 1976, which Mandela actually had the nerve to harshly criticize.

Lastly, this is really all about credibility. If Goldstone's facts WRT Israel in Gaza were unassailable and all Israel could do is personally attack Goldstone you'd have a case. We all know, however, that Goldstone's Report is complete horseshit, mostly based on Hamas approved "eyewitness" testimony - of the type Goldstone accepted back in the 90's when he indicted a Serbian fictional character. Goldstone's past is highly relevant now and explains how this "respected" Judge put his stamp of approval on such a horrid report.

BTW, Goldstone is still lying about there being no substantive criticism of his report...

You can see the hebrew version if you use a google translation to verify for yourself. It's from THIS week. And don't forget what his bigoted military henchman, Colonel Travers, said here WRT "Jewish Lobbies"...

Travers' military expertise in Gaza (regarding weapons in mosques) was called into question by one of his own fellow military men... /

That you pretend Goldstone's report is credible given the bigoted nature of the UNHRC, Goldstone's dark background and his continued lies, as well as the thorough refutations of the report available here for example.... /

...speaks volumes about you more than anything else.
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  -Gold stones, glass houses (Israel's Secret Relationship With Apartheid South Africa) grassfed  May-11-10 09:59 AM   #0 
  - The End Of The Goldstone/Apartheid - Brouhaha MJ Rosenberg  grassfed   May-11-10 10:03 AM   #1 
  - Great post Grassfed, cheers  Tripmann   May-11-10 10:27 AM   #2 
  - "the crowd who assert that there were no war crimes in Gaza,  Jefferson23   May-11-10 11:44 AM   #7 
  - Not that other countries were doing much better at the time  LeftishBrit   May-11-10 10:38 AM   #3 
  - Yep, thatcher branded mandela a terrorist  Tripmann   May-11-10 10:58 AM   #4 
  - The USA still supports apartheid in S.Arabia, Jordan...  shira   May-11-10 05:57 PM   #9 
     - On Saudi Arabia, at least, we agree  FarrenH   May-12-10 01:23 PM   #41 
        - Me too.  LeftishBrit   May-12-10 02:49 PM   #43 
        - Jews can't live in Jordan or buy land there.  shira   May-12-10 03:35 PM   #44 
           - Jordan and the Jews: Another lie Dershowitz told you  grassfed   May-12-10 05:34 PM   #45 
           - Thanks, Dersh was wrong. Only from '73-'95 did that law exist in the Jordanian books  shira   May-12-10 06:37 PM   #47 
              - yr new found decorum would be more convincing if we hadn't gone over this before - nt  grassfed   May-20-10 04:15 PM   #82 
           - Jews can buy/live in Jordan but Jordanians can't buy in Israel  grassfed   May-12-10 05:37 PM   #46 
  - Richard Goldstone: I have no regrets about the Gaza war report  azurnoir   May-11-10 11:38 AM   #5 
  - Not only South Africa Apartheid , Israel and Idi Amin  Eg-ptiangirl   May-17-10 09:34 PM   #67 
     - Revealed: how Israel helped Amin to take power THE INDEPENDENT  grassfed   May-20-10 09:27 PM   #86 
  - Brothers in arms - Israel's secret pact with Pretoria South Africa  grassfed   May-11-10 11:43 AM   #6 
  - Richard J. Goldstone: Integrity Personified is on FACEBOOK  grassfed   May-11-10 03:46 PM   #8 
  - LAME.  shira   May-11-10 06:12 PM   #10 
  - Classic  Tripmann   May-11-10 06:29 PM   #11 
  - Great substantive reply, as usual.  shira   May-11-10 07:07 PM   #17 
     - Are you seriously asking somebody  Tripmann   May-12-10 06:02 AM   #27 
        - And the denial continues... (nt)  shira   May-12-10 06:07 AM   #28 
           - What denial is this shira?  Tripmann   May-12-10 06:29 AM   #29 
           - Do you...  shira   May-12-10 07:07 AM   #30 
              - As I have told you before commenting on the report is a nonsense  Tripmann   May-12-10 07:16 AM   #31 
                 - So the Report was a big waste of time that deserves zero attention....  shira   May-12-10 11:21 AM   #32 
                    - Shira, go put words in someone elses mouth  Tripmann   May-12-10 11:39 AM   #33 
                       - You say you don't want to focus on the Report or Goldstone....  shira   May-12-10 11:54 AM   #34 
                          - I love that.  Tripmann   May-12-10 12:39 PM   #38 
                             - You evaded the relevant points of my post  shira   May-12-10 12:45 PM   #39 
                                - The notion of ANY  Tripmann   May-12-10 01:07 PM   #40 
           - Nelson Mandela appointed Richard Goldstone to SA's highest court  grassfed   May-12-10 12:17 PM   #37 
              - Yep, just like Botha did - and Goldstone did what he was told and did not go after either one  shira   May-13-10 07:23 PM   #53 
                 - debbie schlussel tactics - nt  grassfed   May-20-10 04:12 PM   #81 
                    - Never read her before. But your appeal to authority (Mandela) is a logical fallacy.  shira   May-20-10 05:36 PM   #83 
                       - soldier on defending the indefensible  grassfed   May-20-10 08:30 PM   #85 
  - So was there "special justice" against the Yugoslavians and the Rwandans?  shaayecanaan   May-11-10 06:34 PM   #13 
  - Goldstone indicted a Serbian fictional character, as well as a dead man in the 90's  shira   May-11-10 07:03 PM   #14 
  - Is Yedioth Achronoth really a mass daily paper?  ProgressiveProfessor   May-11-10 07:06 PM   #16 
  - They're the most popular in circulation  shira   May-11-10 07:08 PM   #18 
     - You are right  ProgressiveProfessor   May-12-10 01:05 AM   #25 
  - is a propaganda site, the real site is  grassfed   May-12-10 12:05 PM   #35 
  - Pro-Israel Propagandists vs Nelson Mandela  grassfed   May-12-10 12:15 PM   #36 
  - Israel also tried to lobby the US to allow it to keep selling arms to the apartheid government  shaayecanaan   May-11-10 06:31 PM   #12 
  - You don't appear all that concerned about Lebanon, Jordan, and S.Arabia being supported  shira   May-11-10 07:05 PM   #15 
     - Your list of apartheid regimes does keep expanding, doesnt it?  shaayecanaan   May-11-10 08:32 PM   #19 
        - Those 3 countries practice real apartheid and are supported by the USA and UK  shira   May-12-10 05:15 AM   #26 
        - You're not a poster child for moderation or consistency...  shaayecanaan   May-12-10 10:52 PM   #48 
        - Hilarious  shira   May-13-10 03:30 AM   #49 
           - Religious divorce law be damned...  shaayecanaan   May-13-10 06:30 PM   #50 
              - The law is definitely problematic but it's not really what you think...  shira   May-13-10 07:20 PM   #52 
                 - Respond to the question  shaayecanaan   May-13-10 07:30 PM   #54 
                    - By the way, editing a post after it receives a response...  shaayecanaan   May-13-10 08:01 PM   #55 
                    - Okay, so why are you accusing me?  shira   May-13-10 08:20 PM   #56 
                       - Apologies...  shaayecanaan   May-13-10 10:17 PM   #59 
                    - Yes and No. Examples?  shira   May-13-10 08:21 PM   #57 
                       - Revocation of residency in East Jerusalem  shaayecanaan   May-13-10 10:11 PM   #58 
                          - Here's an Haaretz article on this...  shira   May-14-10 05:17 AM   #60 
                             - Complete rubbish...  shaayecanaan   May-16-10 06:25 PM   #61 
                                - Nothing? I thought so. What a bunch of wankers (nt)  shaayecanaan   May-17-10 06:21 PM   #63 
                                   - Do you have any reason not to believe Sheetrit's claim in Haaretz?  shira   May-17-10 06:39 PM   #64 
                                      - Do you have any reason to accept it uncritically?  shaayecanaan   May-17-10 07:15 PM   #65 
                                         - No one has challenged it  shira   May-17-10 08:14 PM   #66 
                                            - I rather thought I did...  shaayecanaan   May-17-10 09:41 PM   #68 
                                               - No you didn't  shira   May-17-10 11:41 PM   #69 
                                               - Did you think that there were none?  shaayecanaan   May-18-10 06:45 PM   #70 
                                               - Link to the former policy  shaayecanaan   May-18-10 06:49 PM   #71 
                                               - And the winner is.......  whosinpower   May-18-10 09:15 PM   #72 
                                               - A former policy no longer in effect...  shira   May-18-10 09:51 PM   #74 
                                               - Looks like you're confusing citizenship for residency status  shira   May-18-10 09:46 PM   #73 
                                               - No, I'm fucking not...  shaayecanaan   May-18-10 10:10 PM   #75 
                                               - You mentioned dual citizenship, not residency in that last post I responded to  shira   May-18-10 10:35 PM   #76 
                                               - You're asking me to prove the existence of a universal negative...  shaayecanaan   May-19-10 12:40 AM   #77 
                                               - Okay, got it - that makes sense  shira   May-19-10 07:20 AM   #78 
                                               - I'll refer you back to our opening statement, with which you initially agreed:-  shaayecanaan   May-19-10 08:39 PM   #79 
                                               - Deleted message  Name removed   May-19-10 10:06 PM   #80 
                                               - I'll try and respond to your last post...  shaayecanaan   May-20-10 06:41 PM   #84 
                                               - Responding to your main 3 points  shira   May-22-10 06:31 AM   #87 
                                               - Alright, lets try this again...  shaayecanaan   May-22-10 09:31 AM   #88 
                                               - Trying to answer  shira   May-22-10 10:11 AM   #89 
                                               - Lets not be evasive....  shaayecanaan   May-23-10 06:45 PM   #91 
                                               - Looks like you're conceding your argument WRT revoking PR status was lame  shira   May-23-10 11:59 PM   #92 
                                               - I think your disingenuousness knows no bounds...  shaayecanaan   May-24-10 02:08 AM   #93 
                                               - That's an unacceptable policy and very unfortunate incident.  shira   May-24-10 03:56 AM   #94 
                                               - Couple of points...  shaayecanaan   May-24-10 09:00 AM   #95 
        - lebanon  grassfed   May-26-10 04:11 PM   #96 
        - The parallels extend further than most realise  FarrenH   May-12-10 01:59 PM   #42 
           - I remember seeing the picture of Lizzie van Zyl a lot  shaayecanaan   May-13-10 06:33 PM   #51 
  - Israel's Secret Arms Pact with Apartheid South Africa - PBS Newshour  grassfed   May-11-10 08:51 PM   #20 
  - Apartheid in the Holy Land - Desmond Tutu GUARDIAN  grassfed   May-11-10 08:56 PM   #21 
  - South African union joins boycott of Israel  grassfed   May-11-10 09:03 PM   #22 
  - Israel's apartheid is worse than South Africa's HAARETZ  grassfed   May-11-10 09:52 PM   #23 
  - Israels dark past arming apartheid South Africa - War in Context  grassfed   May-11-10 09:56 PM   #24 
  - Interesting post, thanks...  shaayecanaan   May-16-10 06:29 PM   #62 
  - UPDATE: Secret apartheid-era papers give first official evidence of Israeli nuclear weapo  friendly_iconoclast   May-23-10 04:01 PM   #90 

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