Violet_Crumble
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Tue Apr-06-10 10:15 PM
Response to Reply #34 |
| 35. I never said I was defending you. I said I was sticking up for you.. |
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Edited on Tue Apr-06-10 10:18 PM by Violet_Crumble
I dunno, but I recall arguing that you weren't a shill. I can always turn and argue the other way round if it'll make you happier, but I can't say I'll be able to put too much heart and soul into something I don't believe...
Yr attitude towards HRW and other human rights groups that dare to criticise Israel are irrational and completely OTT and very reminiscent of the way anti-choicers carry on about Planned Parenthood and Margaret Sanger. I'm not sure at all why you think other people who are more articulate and have raised specific criticisms of an organisation that they've either supported or not had some obsessive frenzy going on about means that I must think yr the same as them. Yr on a whole different level and completely and utterly manic and irrational...
to address yr belated edit: I've got no idea what the fuck yr babbling about incoherently now, but if yr not going to stop bringing DUers who are far better people than you into yr posts to hide behind as some sort of appeal to authority, just be honest and let me know...
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| -Correction: Human Rights Watch |
Scurrilous |
Apr-05-10 01:06 PM |
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Thanks for clarifications |
LeftishBrit |
Apr-05-10 01:28 PM |
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You're welcome. |
Scurrilous |
Apr-05-10 02:30 PM |
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You think criticism from Robert Bernstein (founder of HRW) is as hostile as any anti-zionist piece? |
shira |
Apr-05-10 08:37 PM |
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I was referring to the likes of Foreman... |
LeftishBrit |
Apr-06-10 11:45 AM |
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Here's the link to the thread on the original article. |
Violet_Crumble |
Apr-05-10 03:58 PM |
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Concerns about HRW's "corrections"... |
shira |
Apr-05-10 05:31 PM |
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who gives a sh*t whether or not Israeli's take HRW seriously |
azurnoir |
Apr-05-10 09:07 PM |
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Should people from B'tselem and BTS take HRW seriously? Because if not.... |
shira |
Apr-06-10 08:26 AM |
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Speaking of attempting to rally a "mob mentality" |
azurnoir |
Apr-06-10 09:44 AM |
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The original founder of HRW doesn't take HRW seriously on Israel - ever wonder why? |
shira |
Apr-06-10 10:08 AM |
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Are you a shill for the Israeli lobby ? |
azurnoir |
Apr-06-10 10:19 AM |
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I would expect a shill would be a lot more polished and less inclined to try to alienate than that.. |
Violet_Crumble |
Apr-06-10 08:34 PM |
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the same goes for "mainsream" n/t |
azurnoir |
Apr-06-10 08:56 PM |
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Yeah, I noticed that a long while back... |
Violet_Crumble |
Apr-06-10 09:02 PM |
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Our resident Israeli DU'er on the 'mainstream' not taking HRW seriously |
shira |
Apr-06-10 09:18 PM |
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Will you stop dragging DUers who are much better people than you into yr posts? |
Violet_Crumble |
Apr-06-10 09:37 PM |
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Take your own advice and leave me out of your conversations w/ others before telling me what to do |
shira |
Apr-06-10 09:55 PM |
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In case you didn't notice, I was actually sticking up for you... |
Violet_Crumble |
Apr-06-10 09:59 PM |
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Stop it - no you weren't |
shira |
Apr-06-10 10:03 PM |
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Stop what? I'll give a pre-emptive *no* on that one... |
Violet_Crumble |
Apr-06-10 10:08 PM |
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That BS about you 'defending' me. |
shira |
Apr-06-10 10:11 PM |
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I never said I was defending you. I said I was sticking up for you.. |
Violet_Crumble |
Apr-06-10 10:15 PM |
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Whatever....now about criticism of HRW |
shira |
Apr-06-10 10:18 PM |
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You haven't gone back and read the posts where I've had to edit to keep up with yr edits! |
Violet_Crumble |
Apr-06-10 10:24 PM |
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Pity that someone 'rational' like you just can't tolerate any criticism of HRW |
shira |
Apr-06-10 10:32 PM |
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Wow, they're some mighty silly stances I have there! Thanks for telling me what I think! |
Violet_Crumble |
Apr-06-10 10:54 PM |
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They passed silly a long time ago. Thought you should know. |
shira |
Apr-06-10 11:54 PM |
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Apparently so. I'm just gobsmacked at how silly they are! |
Violet_Crumble |
Apr-06-10 11:58 PM |
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Good to see you acknowledging it. That's the first step. |
shira |
Apr-07-10 12:21 AM |
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I know I'm on the edge of my seat waiting for you to tell me other views I hold! |
Violet_Crumble |
Apr-07-10 12:23 AM |
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Aw, I'm giving you a chance to articulate your views and back your assertions |
shira |
Apr-07-10 12:34 AM |
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I thought you'd already started 'articulating' them for me.. |
Violet_Crumble |
Apr-07-10 12:43 AM |
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I thought I explained to you that I'm giving you every opportunity to articulate those views on HRW |
shira |
Apr-07-10 12:56 AM |
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Yeah, I picked up on that. My response is as I've already stated... |
Violet_Crumble |
Apr-07-10 01:03 AM |
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Looks like you're getting huffy again, what a shame. |
shira |
Apr-07-10 01:17 AM |
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Looks like the time's come to start repeating what I said in the hope you might actually read it... |
Violet_Crumble |
Apr-07-10 01:20 AM |
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Maybe you don't notice you're up to your antics again, derailing the thread, going off-topic |
shira |
Apr-07-10 01:33 AM |
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Well, it took a long longer than is reasonable, but I'm glad you got it at last... |
Violet_Crumble |
Apr-07-10 01:51 AM |
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Yes, once again we see that you cannot tolerate criticism of HRW and that you are unable to defend |
shira |
Apr-07-10 02:04 AM |
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So you were lying about having nothing more to say? |
Violet_Crumble |
Apr-07-10 02:07 AM |
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Nope - just telling it like it is |
shira |
Apr-07-10 02:10 AM |
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Telling what like it is? And who's the royal us you keep on referring to? |
Violet_Crumble |
Apr-07-10 02:15 AM |
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How it is that you're incapable of discussing/defending HRW |
shira |
Apr-07-10 02:18 AM |
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How many times do I have to repeat I'm UNWILLING to discuss anything with you? |
Violet_Crumble |
Apr-07-10 02:28 AM |
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No, it's quite obvious you're incapable - and you're like this with many others here in I/P who... |
shira |
Apr-07-10 02:40 AM |
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I don't know why you insist on trying to make out I think yr the same as most other DUers here... |
Violet_Crumble |
Apr-07-10 03:24 AM |
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Well, I believe I know why you can't answer difficult questions and it has nothing to do with me |
shira |
Apr-07-10 05:52 AM |
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Well, you just go on believing what you like... |
Violet_Crumble |
Apr-07-10 06:08 AM |
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okay, I will! |
shira |
Apr-07-10 06:16 AM |
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Great. Glad you've got yrself all sorted out there n/t |
Violet_Crumble |
Apr-07-10 06:21 AM |
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I think it's worth me clarifying my pointing out it's doubtful yr a shill.. |
Violet_Crumble |
Apr-06-10 10:51 PM |
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I suspect the "talking points" come from a site called |
azurnoir |
Apr-06-10 10:55 PM |
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Ah, I was wondering where the mother-lode might be located n/t |
Violet_Crumble |
Apr-06-10 10:58 PM |
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To clarify |
shira |
Apr-06-10 11:21 PM |
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I think you may have missed the point, Shira... |
Violet_Crumble |
Apr-06-10 11:44 PM |
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Well, you thought wrong. |
shira |
Apr-06-10 11:53 PM |
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Don't think so n/t |
Violet_Crumble |
Apr-06-10 11:58 PM |
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Is Pelsar the only Israeli you know? |
azurnoir |
Apr-06-10 10:53 PM |
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LOL....in the Boston Jewish community here, there are MANY Israeli Jews who I know |
shira |
Apr-06-10 11:03 PM |
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Seth Freedman is extremist that about says it all |
azurnoir |
Apr-07-10 12:19 AM |
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I've heard Mr Freedman called a lot of things, and usually always by extreme partisans... |
Violet_Crumble |
Apr-07-10 12:33 AM |
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That says it all? I'm thinking 'Ed Koch is a hatefilled wanker' says a bit more. |
shira |
Apr-07-10 12:36 AM |
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Uh, but Ed's a racist hatefilled wanker. Seth Freedman isn't n/t |
Violet_Crumble |
Apr-07-10 01:08 AM |
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Of course, if you say so then it must be true. |
shira |
Apr-07-10 01:18 AM |
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Oh, okay. That's what I say! n/t |
Violet_Crumble |
Apr-07-10 01:21 AM |
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I would agree Koch is a wanker |
azurnoir |
Apr-07-10 06:34 AM |
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That Foreman article really was a shoddy hatchet-job... |
Violet_Crumble |
Apr-05-10 06:06 PM |
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What's worse is HRW's shoddy, weak response to the article |
shira |
Apr-05-10 06:23 PM |
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Sorry. I should have clarified by saying I'd like an answer from someone who actually knows... |
Violet_Crumble |
Apr-05-10 06:28 PM |
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Looks to be a Murdoch rag: |
Scurrilous |
Apr-05-10 06:42 PM |
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It sounds like the equivalent of The Australian, another from the Murdoch stable.. |
Violet_Crumble |
Apr-05-10 06:52 PM |
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It's a Murdoch paper and fairly RW |
LeftishBrit |
Apr-06-10 11:47 AM |
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Here's the real problem, LB |
shira |
Apr-06-10 12:03 PM |
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Who represents the "Jewish Mainstream" ? n/t |
azurnoir |
Apr-06-10 03:22 PM |
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The original HRW founder, the ADL, AJC, and yes, even AIPAC with Obama's friend as new Prez |
shira |
Apr-06-10 06:41 PM |
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Wow you if nothing else predictable |
azurnoir |
Apr-06-10 08:40 PM |
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Rupert's got a lot to answer for... |
Violet_Crumble |
Apr-06-10 08:38 PM |
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The comment by the 'researcher' for NGO Monitor is worth reading... |
Violet_Crumble |
Apr-05-10 07:21 PM |
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I still haven't had any response to the questions I asked about their methodology... |
Violet_Crumble |
Apr-07-10 02:10 AM |
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Update on the question I emailed to NGO Monitor.. |
Violet_Crumble |
Apr-10-10 04:40 AM |
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The "Swiftboating" of Human Rights Watch |
Violet_Crumble |
Apr-06-10 09:15 PM |
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