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shira Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-06-10 08:26 AM
Response to Reply #12
13. Should people from B'tselem and BTS take HRW seriously? Because if not....
Edited on Tue Apr-06-10 08:27 AM by shira
....then what purpose does HRW serve other than playing into Hamas, Fatah, or Iran's hands?

HRW wants to effect change in Israel, right? How can they effect change in Israel if not even B'tselem or BTS takes them seriously WRT bogus or shoddy reports, denying human shielding by Palestinians, etc?

If the point is to just rally the masses in some mob mentality against Israel, then the crap that HRW is attempting makes more sense - right?

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  -Correction: Human Rights Watch Scurrilous  Apr-05-10 01:06 PM   #0 
  - Thanks for clarifications  LeftishBrit   Apr-05-10 01:28 PM   #1 
  - You're welcome.  Scurrilous   Apr-05-10 02:30 PM   #2 
  - You think criticism from Robert Bernstein (founder of HRW) is as hostile as any anti-zionist piece?  shira   Apr-05-10 08:37 PM   #11 
     - I was referring to the likes of Foreman...  LeftishBrit   Apr-06-10 11:45 AM   #17 
  - Here's the link to the thread on the original article.  Violet_Crumble   Apr-05-10 03:58 PM   #3 
  - Concerns about HRW's "corrections"...  shira   Apr-05-10 05:31 PM   #4 
  - who gives a sh*t whether or not Israeli's take HRW seriously  azurnoir   Apr-05-10 09:07 PM   #12 
     - Should people from B'tselem and BTS take HRW seriously? Because if not....  shira   Apr-06-10 08:26 AM   #13 
        - Speaking of attempting to rally a "mob mentality"  azurnoir   Apr-06-10 09:44 AM   #14 
           - The original founder of HRW doesn't take HRW seriously on Israel - ever wonder why?  shira   Apr-06-10 10:08 AM   #15 
              - Are you a shill for the Israeli lobby ?  azurnoir   Apr-06-10 10:19 AM   #16 
                 - I would expect a shill would be a lot more polished and less inclined to try to alienate than that..  Violet_Crumble   Apr-06-10 08:34 PM   #22 
                    - the same goes for "mainsream" n/t  azurnoir   Apr-06-10 08:56 PM   #25 
                    - Yeah, I noticed that a long while back...  Violet_Crumble   Apr-06-10 09:02 PM   #26 
                    - Our resident Israeli DU'er on the 'mainstream' not taking HRW seriously  shira   Apr-06-10 09:18 PM   #28 
                       - Will you stop dragging DUers who are much better people than you into yr posts?  Violet_Crumble   Apr-06-10 09:37 PM   #29 
                       - Take your own advice and leave me out of your conversations w/ others before telling me what to do  shira   Apr-06-10 09:55 PM   #30 
                          - In case you didn't notice, I was actually sticking up for you...  Violet_Crumble   Apr-06-10 09:59 PM   #31 
                             - Stop it - no you weren't  shira   Apr-06-10 10:03 PM   #32 
                                - Stop what? I'll give a pre-emptive *no* on that one...  Violet_Crumble   Apr-06-10 10:08 PM   #33 
                                   - That BS about you 'defending' me.  shira   Apr-06-10 10:11 PM   #34 
                                      - I never said I was defending you. I said I was sticking up for you..  Violet_Crumble   Apr-06-10 10:15 PM   #35 
                                      - about criticism of HRW  shira   Apr-06-10 10:18 PM   #36 
                                         - You haven't gone back and read the posts where I've had to edit to keep up with yr edits!  Violet_Crumble   Apr-06-10 10:24 PM   #37 
                                            - Pity that someone 'rational' like you just can't tolerate any criticism of HRW  shira   Apr-06-10 10:32 PM   #38 
                                               - Wow, they're some mighty silly stances I have there! Thanks for telling me what I think!  Violet_Crumble   Apr-06-10 10:54 PM   #41 
                                               - They passed silly a long time ago. Thought you should know.  shira   Apr-06-10 11:54 PM   #48 
                                               - Apparently so. I'm just gobsmacked at how silly they are!  Violet_Crumble   Apr-06-10 11:58 PM   #49 
                                               - Good to see you acknowledging it. That's the first step.  shira   Apr-07-10 12:21 AM   #52 
                                               - I know I'm on the edge of my seat waiting for you to tell me other views I hold!  Violet_Crumble   Apr-07-10 12:23 AM   #53 
                                               - Aw, I'm giving you a chance to articulate your views and back your assertions  shira   Apr-07-10 12:34 AM   #55 
                                               - I thought you'd already started 'articulating' them for me..  Violet_Crumble   Apr-07-10 12:43 AM   #57 
                                               - I thought I explained to you that I'm giving you every opportunity to articulate those views on HRW  shira   Apr-07-10 12:56 AM   #58 
                                               - Yeah, I picked up on that. My response is as I've already stated...  Violet_Crumble   Apr-07-10 01:03 AM   #59 
                                               - Looks like you're getting huffy again, what a shame.  shira   Apr-07-10 01:17 AM   #61 
                                               - Looks like the time's come to start repeating what I said in the hope you might actually read it...  Violet_Crumble   Apr-07-10 01:20 AM   #63 
                                               - Maybe you don't notice you're up to your antics again, derailing the thread, going off-topic  shira   Apr-07-10 01:33 AM   #65 
                                               - Well, it took a long longer than is reasonable, but I'm glad you got it at last...  Violet_Crumble   Apr-07-10 01:51 AM   #66 
                                               - Yes, once again we see that you cannot tolerate criticism of HRW and that you are unable to defend  shira   Apr-07-10 02:04 AM   #67 
                                               - So you were lying about having nothing more to say?  Violet_Crumble   Apr-07-10 02:07 AM   #68 
                                               - Nope - just telling it like it is  shira   Apr-07-10 02:10 AM   #70 
                                               - Telling what like it is? And who's the royal us you keep on referring to?  Violet_Crumble   Apr-07-10 02:15 AM   #71 
                                               - How it is that you're incapable of discussing/defending HRW  shira   Apr-07-10 02:18 AM   #72 
                                               - How many times do I have to repeat I'm UNWILLING to discuss anything with you?  Violet_Crumble   Apr-07-10 02:28 AM   #73 
                                               - No, it's quite obvious you're incapable - and you're like this with many others here in I/P who...  shira   Apr-07-10 02:40 AM   #74 
                                               - I don't know why you insist on trying to make out I think yr the same as most other DUers here...  Violet_Crumble   Apr-07-10 03:24 AM   #75 
                                               - Well, I believe I know why you can't answer difficult questions and it has nothing to do with me  shira   Apr-07-10 05:52 AM   #76 
                                               - Well, you just go on believing what you like...  Violet_Crumble   Apr-07-10 06:08 AM   #77 
                                               - okay, I will!  shira   Apr-07-10 06:16 AM   #78 
                                               - Great. Glad you've got yrself all sorted out there n/t  Violet_Crumble   Apr-07-10 06:21 AM   #79 
                                      - I think it's worth me clarifying my pointing out it's doubtful yr a shill..  Violet_Crumble   Apr-06-10 10:51 PM   #39 
                                         - I suspect the "talking points" come from a site called  azurnoir   Apr-06-10 10:55 PM   #42 
                                         - Ah, I was wondering where the mother-lode might be located n/t  Violet_Crumble   Apr-06-10 10:58 PM   #43 
                                         - To clarify  shira   Apr-06-10 11:21 PM   #45 
                                            - I think you may have missed the point, Shira...  Violet_Crumble   Apr-06-10 11:44 PM   #46 
                                               - Well, you thought wrong.  shira   Apr-06-10 11:53 PM   #47 
                                                  - Don't think so n/t  Violet_Crumble   Apr-06-10 11:58 PM   #50 
                       - Is Pelsar the only Israeli you know?  azurnoir   Apr-06-10 10:53 PM   #40 
                          - the Boston Jewish community here, there are MANY Israeli Jews who I know  shira   Apr-06-10 11:03 PM   #44 
                             - Seth Freedman is extremist that about says it all  azurnoir   Apr-07-10 12:19 AM   #51 
                                - I've heard Mr Freedman called a lot of things, and usually always by extreme partisans...  Violet_Crumble   Apr-07-10 12:33 AM   #54 
                                - That says it all? I'm thinking 'Ed Koch is a hatefilled wanker' says a bit more.  shira   Apr-07-10 12:36 AM   #56 
                                   - Uh, but Ed's a racist hatefilled wanker. Seth Freedman isn't n/t  Violet_Crumble   Apr-07-10 01:08 AM   #60 
                                   - Of course, if you say so then it must be true.  shira   Apr-07-10 01:18 AM   #62 
                                      - Oh, okay. That's what I say! n/t  Violet_Crumble   Apr-07-10 01:21 AM   #64 
                                   - I would agree Koch is a wanker  azurnoir   Apr-07-10 06:34 AM   #80 
  - That Foreman article really was a shoddy hatchet-job...  Violet_Crumble   Apr-05-10 06:06 PM   #5 
  - What's worse is HRW's shoddy, weak response to the article  shira   Apr-05-10 06:23 PM   #6 
  - Sorry. I should have clarified by saying I'd like an answer from someone who actually knows...  Violet_Crumble   Apr-05-10 06:28 PM   #7 
  - Looks to be a Murdoch rag:  Scurrilous   Apr-05-10 06:42 PM   #8 
  - It sounds like the equivalent of The Australian, another from the Murdoch stable..  Violet_Crumble   Apr-05-10 06:52 PM   #9 
  - It's a Murdoch paper and fairly RW  LeftishBrit   Apr-06-10 11:47 AM   #18 
     - Here's the real problem, LB  shira   Apr-06-10 12:03 PM   #19 
     - Who represents the "Jewish Mainstream" ? n/t  azurnoir   Apr-06-10 03:22 PM   #20 
        - The original HRW founder, the ADL, AJC, and yes, even AIPAC with Obama's friend as new Prez  shira   Apr-06-10 06:41 PM   #21 
           - Wow you if nothing else predictable  azurnoir   Apr-06-10 08:40 PM   #24 
     - Rupert's got a lot to answer for...  Violet_Crumble   Apr-06-10 08:38 PM   #23 
  - The comment by the 'researcher' for NGO Monitor is worth reading...  Violet_Crumble   Apr-05-10 07:21 PM   #10 
  - I still haven't had any response to the questions I asked about their methodology...  Violet_Crumble   Apr-07-10 02:10 AM   #69 
  - Update on the question I emailed to NGO Monitor..  Violet_Crumble   Apr-10-10 04:40 AM   #81 
  - The "Swiftboating" of Human Rights Watch  Violet_Crumble   Apr-06-10 09:15 PM   #27 

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