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Sun Mar-28-10 06:45 AM
Response to Reply #32 |
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Edited on Sun Mar-28-10 07:25 AM by shira
Pelsar, You're assuming there is some rhyme or reason where it doesn't exist. I see all this as more a cult or mood where people are manipulated by slogans, prejudices, and emotions. These are fanatic cultists - or true believers - who do not even have an ideology. If they had an ideology, there would be some sort of logical consistency to it.
It's not "Left" even if they think it is.
It's people telling themselves lots of lies, and pushing themselves to believe them. Probably because it makes them feel good.
ETA...
If this was really about the "Left" or some logical and consistent ideology, where's all the talk about the labor exploitation and near-slavery conditions in Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, Bahrain, Qatar, the UAE, etc? These countries own billions of dollars worth of assets in Western countries, including real estate, industrial manufacturing concerns, bonds (including US T-bonds), etc. They are major capitalists and by Lenin’s definition of imperialism (finance capitalism) they are also imperialists.
Not a word.
And shall we get into all the double-standards employed in I/P? How much further extreme 'Right' all Israel's neighbors are in the ME? Come on. There's nothing logically consistent in the worldview of a true-believing cultist.
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| -A media eclipse: Israel-Palestine and the world's forgotten conflicts |
Mosby |
Mar-24-10 09:25 AM |
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This will be dismissed as a "look over there" argument |
oberliner |
Mar-24-10 09:28 AM |
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How? |
Donald Ian Rankin |
Mar-24-10 10:24 AM |
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Solutions | Raise Hope for Congo |
oberliner |
Mar-24-10 11:00 AM |
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Ben Affleck launches initiative for Congo aid |
oberliner |
Mar-25-10 06:09 AM |
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Aid to Congo I am 100% in favour of. |
Donald Ian Rankin |
Mar-25-10 09:35 AM |
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Not sure if that was sarcastic, but I for one support Palestinians and oppressed |
ProgressiveMuslim |
Mar-24-10 01:13 PM |
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Well said. I feel exactly the same way... |
Violet_Crumble |
Mar-24-10 04:25 PM |
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well yes, that is a major part of the point: |
Douglas Carpenter |
Mar-24-10 05:09 PM |
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It must bother you a great deal that millions who suffer around the globe are virtually ignored |
shira |
Mar-24-10 06:36 PM |
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Not really, because they're not n/t |
Violet_Crumble |
Mar-24-10 08:03 PM |
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Millions around the globe who are suffering or being murdered are not being ignored? |
shira |
Mar-27-10 09:05 AM |
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You got it n/t |
Violet_Crumble |
Mar-28-10 06:48 AM |
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I feel the same |
Christa |
Mar-25-10 07:33 AM |
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Its mainly a hypocritical argument... |
shaayecanaan |
Mar-24-10 06:08 PM |
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Interesting article |
LeftishBrit |
Mar-24-10 12:12 PM |
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I agree that antisemitism/islamophobia |
Mosby |
Mar-24-10 04:17 PM |
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frankly, one of the things I would welcome most in seeing a just and lasting peace |
Douglas Carpenter |
Mar-24-10 05:02 PM |
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Can there ever be an end to the conflict as long as Israel exists? |
oberliner |
Mar-24-10 06:46 PM |
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Yes, first of all -- all 22 members of the Arab league and 57 members of |
Douglas Carpenter |
Mar-24-10 08:46 PM |
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How many of those countries are led by unelected dictators? |
oberliner |
Mar-25-10 05:16 AM |
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the idea of maintaining permanent hostility is a major part of what fuels this conflict |
Douglas Carpenter |
Mar-25-10 06:08 AM |
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wow ....why the obvious bias.... |
pelsar |
Mar-25-10 04:13 PM |
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you were being patently dishonest by trying to imply that Israelis society is not deeply, deeply |
Douglas Carpenter |
Mar-25-10 04:50 PM |
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nice quotes...should i bother to find others from the immigrants and their views |
pelsar |
Mar-25-10 05:04 PM |
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Why the BS and double standards? |
shira |
Mar-28-10 06:45 AM |
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i have to comment....its absurd... |
pelsar |
Mar-25-10 07:17 AM |
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My twopennyworth............Pew Research Centre poll 2009........ |
kayecy |
Mar-25-10 07:33 AM |
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some polls in Israel |
Douglas Carpenter |
Mar-25-10 07:50 AM |
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and the arab polls?..you seem to avoid them at all costs... |
pelsar |
Mar-25-10 04:00 PM |
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oberliner already pointed out some polls...he did not include any polls of Israelis |
Douglas Carpenter |
Mar-25-10 04:41 PM |
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and your reaction is? |
pelsar |
Mar-25-10 05:07 PM |
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as I stated above - with the resolution of the conflict - over time, much of the mutual fear and |
Douglas Carpenter |
Mar-25-10 05:25 PM |
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that was not your statement(s) |
pelsar |
Mar-25-10 05:32 PM |
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90% of the hostility in the Arab world is directly related |
Douglas Carpenter |
Mar-25-10 05:41 PM |
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and the arabs are not indoctrinated because |
pelsar |
Mar-25-10 06:07 PM |
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its like this |
Douglas Carpenter |
Mar-25-10 11:41 PM |
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and most of them are not going to have contact with jews or israelis.... |
pelsar |
Mar-26-10 02:33 AM |
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The difference is theory-based negativity and daily-contact-based negativity. |
ProgressiveMuslim |
Mar-26-10 06:56 AM |
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the Palestinians are in a different category |
pelsar |
Mar-26-10 07:43 AM |
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I think that's the kind of "ism" that's actually easier to remove. |
ProgressiveMuslim |
Mar-26-10 07:54 AM |
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experience based anti ..is easier to fix |
pelsar |
Mar-26-10 11:27 AM |
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Deleted message |
Name removed |
Mar-26-10 11:35 AM |
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Don't know if you saw the previous. I guess no pix? |
ProgressiveMuslim |
Mar-26-10 03:17 PM |
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nah missed it... |
pelsar |
Mar-27-10 01:08 AM |
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and there's lots of $$$ in the I/P narrative....sells newspapers, etc. |
shira |
Mar-24-10 06:40 PM |
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Convergence |
FarrenH |
Mar-24-10 04:53 PM |
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The fact that the US is not spending billions to support the mass murderers in those regions might |
ConsAreLiars |
Mar-25-10 01:36 AM |
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This article is not really about the US |
oberliner |
Mar-25-10 04:12 AM |
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You do know that the US |
Christa |
Mar-25-10 07:35 AM |
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Yes. Billions of US tax money goes to Israel and Egypt and Jordan to maintain |
ConsAreLiars |
Mar-25-10 11:55 PM |
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Thank you |
Christa |
Mar-26-10 06:19 AM |
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Here are some (2006) numbers. Israel gets about half of all US direct military aid. |
ConsAreLiars |
Mar-27-10 01:15 AM |
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Its funny how some people only look at one type of aid but ignore |
Dick Dastardly |
Mar-27-10 03:32 AM |
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Because we are aiding Israel |
Christa |
Mar-27-10 07:41 AM |
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The USA does not aid Israel to defend itself from local and influential Jihadi psycopaths... |
shira |
Mar-27-10 08:52 AM |
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As usual, try to change the subject to something else and pretend it is relevant. |
ConsAreLiars |
Mar-28-10 01:32 AM |
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The US military has been covertly involved in the wars in the Democratic Republic of Congo |
oberliner |
Mar-26-10 01:24 PM |
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Of course the corporate jackals are feeding off of death and destruction. It's what they do. |
ConsAreLiars |
Mar-27-10 12:35 AM |
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Guardian and Independent play down Turkey threat to deport resident Armenians |
shira |
Apr-06-10 08:33 AM |
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Yes the plight of Armenians gets little recognition from anyone |
azurnoir |
Apr-06-10 08:56 AM |
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Can't help but get a dig in, can you? |
shira |
Apr-06-10 09:06 AM |
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So you believe that the "Jewish Lobby" in the US as JTA calls it |
azurnoir |
Apr-06-10 09:46 AM |
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The point is you bring up a red herring to avoid or ignore the issue |
shira |
Apr-06-10 09:54 AM |
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NO the post had little to with Israel it was about an American lobby |
azurnoir |
Apr-06-10 09:56 AM |
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