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FarrenH Donating Member (485 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-24-10 04:53 PM
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8. Convergence
Edited on Wed Mar-24-10 05:14 PM by FarrenH
It has always been the case that some conflicts attract more attention than others, long before the I/P conflict was center stage. I'm sure a similar analysis in the late 70s and early 80s would have shown undue attention being paid to Apartheid in SA. And in the period leading up to the invasion of Iraq through to the handover to an elected government, the Iraq invasion arguably eclipsed all else. I don't know how extensively it was covered elsewhere but the genocide in Rwanda in 1994 eclipsed all other conflicts for about a year over here. So the article gets it wrong on at least one count. As far as attention alone is concerned, there was no "sin of ommission" in Rwanda.

One error the article makes, Rwanda being an example, is not disentangling much shorter-term conflicts (with admittedly shocking results) from far more protracted ones. In fact most of the conflicts mentioned in the article have been going on for less time than the I/P conflict and some are basically finished.

In fact, I'm not sure which Western media the author is referring to but based on my own perception, the I/P conflict only really started attracting disproportionate press attention in the last decade, maybe decade and a half - and this is after 40 years of occupation.

Its a fair point that the developed world tends to pay disproportionate attention to particular conflicts, but I feel the author goes too far in trying to make this point and at the same time ignores what I believe is the main driver of media focus on the I/P conflict, which is that more people the world over are directly or indirectly connected to its participants than most of the other conflicts mentioned.

Just as Mandarin is the worlds most spoken language, but the sheer reach of English across the globe makes it a kind of Lingua Franca, a more diverse and distributed population the world over has some personal connection to the I/P conflict than, say, the Congolese one.

I'm a formerly Catholic white South African, so on the face of it you wouldn't expect me to be connected in any way. But I was bitterly opposed to Apartheid growing up, and the Apartheid government was doing business with the Israeli govt, specifically in the area of arms (AFAIK we even supplied them with materials for nuclear weaponry). A close friend of my youth served in the Israeli military. For a birthday present, my convert aunt bought me a ticket to a drum circle event two years ago, which was fun, but I was bitterly disappointed to learn afterwards the proceeds were going to help settlers in the West Bank. Diaspora Jews can be found in every corner of the world and there has always been a strong current of loyalty to Israel, as much as that is diminishing among liberal and leftist Jews today. In fact the world pays disporportionate attention to conflicts that the USA is involved in (unsurprisingly since in media terms the USA is the world's noisiest nation) and Israel's extremely close military ties with the US have linked them, rightly or wrongly to many American conflicts and interventions, even as far afield as Afghanistan during the Soviet occupation.

A much, much broader spectrum of both political issues and personal experiences converge on the I/P conflict than the Congolese conflict or the Chechnyan, and to ignore that in any analysis is, I think, foolish. Relations between western nations and the world's billion-odd Muslims, political lobbying by pro-Israeli interest groups in all of the worlds richest nations, American interventions in the Middle East and the ever-present suspicion that Israels interests were at least a component of the thinking behind each intervention, the economic reach of Israel and the necessary implication that moral consumers need to be aware where their products come from. All of these factors apply to the I/P conflict. None (nor any comparable considerations) to the Congo. If it came down to the counting of corpses, the Congolese conflict would garner far more attention, but its our involvement in the I/P conflict that makes people the world over treat it as a cause célèbre.

There are no Congolese-manufactured items in South African shops. There are no local Congolese groups constantly lobbying the SA government to favour this or that side in the conflict. There are no Congolese military advisors working with powerful industrialised nations involved in controversial conflicts. There are no supporters of brutal Congolese paramilitaries on the Internet, working ceaselessly to counter allegations of brutality. There are no Congolese expats in my community organising events I might knowingly or unknowingly participate in, which will raise money for recipients of land siezed by force.

Lastly: There are, admittedly, a flood of Chinese imports, which have all but destroyed entire industries here (the textile industry being one). The South African government, responding to pressure from the Chinese government, refused to issue a visa to the Dalai Lama to do a speaking tour here. And I am outraged by these things and given the chance and an interested listener will ramble on about the issue for an hour or more. But, for the most part, I will encounter agreement from just about everyone (aside from a few fundy libertarians I know) I speak to on the issues of Chinese involvement in Africa and the occupation of Tibet. Even cabinet ministers broke ranks and condemned the government's decision to decline the Dalai Lama's visa. In contrast, support for (or at least obfuscation on and playing of silly moral equivalence games about) the 40-year old occupation in the WB spans the reaches of power and reaches into otherwise liberal and leftist institutions the world over.
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  -A media eclipse: Israel-Palestine and the world's forgotten conflicts Mosby  Mar-24-10 09:25 AM   #0 
  - This will be dismissed as a "look over there" argument  oberliner   Mar-24-10 09:28 AM   #1 
  - How?  Donald Ian Rankin   Mar-24-10 10:24 AM   #2 
  - Solutions | Raise Hope for Congo  oberliner   Mar-24-10 11:00 AM   #3 
  - Ben Affleck launches initiative for Congo aid  oberliner   Mar-25-10 06:09 AM   #21 
     - Aid to Congo I am 100% in favour of.  Donald Ian Rankin   Mar-25-10 09:35 AM   #27 
  - Not sure if that was sarcastic, but I for one support Palestinians and oppressed  ProgressiveMuslim   Mar-24-10 01:13 PM   #5 
  - Well said. I feel exactly the same way...  Violet_Crumble   Mar-24-10 04:25 PM   #7 
  - well yes, that is a major part of the point:  Douglas Carpenter   Mar-24-10 05:09 PM   #10 
  - It must bother you a great deal that millions who suffer around the globe are virtually ignored  shira   Mar-24-10 06:36 PM   #12 
     - Not really, because they're not n/t  Violet_Crumble   Mar-24-10 08:03 PM   #15 
        - Millions around the globe who are suffering or being murdered are not being ignored?  shira   Mar-27-10 09:05 AM   #55 
           - You got it n/t  Violet_Crumble   Mar-28-10 06:48 AM   #58 
  - I feel the same  Christa   Mar-25-10 07:33 AM   #24 
  - Its mainly a hypocritical argument...  shaayecanaan   Mar-24-10 06:08 PM   #11 
  - Interesting article  LeftishBrit   Mar-24-10 12:12 PM   #4 
  - I agree that antisemitism/islamophobia  Mosby   Mar-24-10 04:17 PM   #6 
     - frankly, one of the things I would welcome most in seeing a just and lasting peace  Douglas Carpenter   Mar-24-10 05:02 PM   #9 
     - Can there ever be an end to the conflict as long as Israel exists?  oberliner   Mar-24-10 06:46 PM   #14 
        - Yes, first of all -- all 22 members of the Arab league and 57 members of  Douglas Carpenter   Mar-24-10 08:46 PM   #16 
           - How many of those countries are led by unelected dictators?  oberliner   Mar-25-10 05:16 AM   #19 
           - the idea of maintaining permanent hostility is a major part of what fuels this conflict  Douglas Carpenter   Mar-25-10 06:08 AM   #20 
              - wow ....why the obvious bias....  pelsar   Mar-25-10 04:13 PM   #29 
                 - you were being patently dishonest by trying to imply that Israelis society is not deeply, deeply  Douglas Carpenter   Mar-25-10 04:50 PM   #31 
                    - nice quotes...should i bother to find others from the immigrants and their views  pelsar   Mar-25-10 05:04 PM   #32 
                       - Why the BS and double standards?  shira   Mar-28-10 06:45 AM   #57 
           - i have to comment....its absurd...  pelsar   Mar-25-10 07:17 AM   #22 
           - My twopennyworth............Pew Research Centre poll 2009........  kayecy   Mar-25-10 07:33 AM   #23 
           - some polls in Israel  Douglas Carpenter   Mar-25-10 07:50 AM   #26 
              - and the arab polls?..you seem to avoid them at all costs...  pelsar   Mar-25-10 04:00 PM   #28 
                 - oberliner already pointed out some polls...he did not include any polls of Israelis  Douglas Carpenter   Mar-25-10 04:41 PM   #30 
                    - and your reaction is?  pelsar   Mar-25-10 05:07 PM   #33 
                       - as I stated above - with the resolution of the conflict - over time, much of the mutual fear and  Douglas Carpenter   Mar-25-10 05:25 PM   #34 
                          - that was not your statement(s)  pelsar   Mar-25-10 05:32 PM   #35 
                             - 90% of the hostility in the Arab world is directly related  Douglas Carpenter   Mar-25-10 05:41 PM   #36 
                                - and the arabs are not indoctrinated because  pelsar   Mar-25-10 06:07 PM   #37 
                                - its like this  Douglas Carpenter   Mar-25-10 11:41 PM   #38 
                                   - and most of them are not going to have contact with jews or israelis....  pelsar   Mar-26-10 02:33 AM   #40 
                                      - The difference is theory-based negativity and daily-contact-based negativity.  ProgressiveMuslim   Mar-26-10 06:56 AM   #42 
                                         - the Palestinians are in a different category  pelsar   Mar-26-10 07:43 AM   #43 
                                            - I think that's the kind of "ism" that's actually easier to remove.  ProgressiveMuslim   Mar-26-10 07:54 AM   #44 
                                               - experience based anti ..is easier to fix  pelsar   Mar-26-10 11:27 AM   #45 
                                                  - Deleted message  Name removed   Mar-26-10 11:35 AM   #46 
                                                  - Don't know if you saw the previous. I guess no pix?  ProgressiveMuslim   Mar-26-10 03:17 PM   #48 
                                                  - nah missed it...  pelsar   Mar-27-10 01:08 AM   #50 
     - and there's lots of $$$ in the I/P narrative....sells newspapers, etc.  shira   Mar-24-10 06:40 PM   #13 
  - Convergence  FarrenH   Mar-24-10 04:53 PM   #8 
  - The fact that the US is not spending billions to support the mass murderers in those regions might  ConsAreLiars   Mar-25-10 01:36 AM   #17 
  - This article is not really about the US  oberliner   Mar-25-10 04:12 AM   #18 
  - You do know that the US  Christa   Mar-25-10 07:35 AM   #25 
     - Yes. Billions of US tax money goes to Israel and Egypt and Jordan to maintain  ConsAreLiars   Mar-25-10 11:55 PM   #39 
        - Thank you  Christa   Mar-26-10 06:19 AM   #41 
        - Here are some (2006) numbers. Israel gets about half of all US direct military aid.  ConsAreLiars   Mar-27-10 01:15 AM   #51 
           - Its funny how some people only look at one type of aid but ignore  Dick Dastardly   Mar-27-10 03:32 AM   #52 
              - Because we are aiding Israel  Christa   Mar-27-10 07:41 AM   #53 
              - The USA does not aid Israel to defend itself from local and influential Jihadi psycopaths...  shira   Mar-27-10 08:52 AM   #54 
              - As usual, try to change the subject to something else and pretend it is relevant.  ConsAreLiars   Mar-28-10 01:32 AM   #56 
        - The US military has been covertly involved in the wars in the Democratic Republic of Congo  oberliner   Mar-26-10 01:24 PM   #47 
           - Of course the corporate jackals are feeding off of death and destruction. It's what they do.  ConsAreLiars   Mar-27-10 12:35 AM   #49 
  - Guardian and Independent play down Turkey threat to deport resident Armenians  shira   Apr-06-10 08:33 AM   #59 
     - Yes the plight of Armenians gets little recognition from anyone  azurnoir   Apr-06-10 08:56 AM   #60 
        - Can't help but get a dig in, can you?  shira   Apr-06-10 09:06 AM   #61 
           - So you believe that the "Jewish Lobby" in the US as JTA calls it  azurnoir   Apr-06-10 09:46 AM   #62 
              - The point is you bring up a red herring to avoid or ignore the issue  shira   Apr-06-10 09:54 AM   #63 
                 - NO the post had little to with Israel it was about an American lobby  azurnoir   Apr-06-10 09:56 AM   #64 
 

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