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Sun Mar-07-10 06:56 AM
Response to Reply #64 |
| 65. How about answering the question you were asked... |
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Edited on Sun Mar-07-10 07:00 AM by Violet_Crumble
I'll bold it for you so hopefully this time you'll give me an answer to the question I actually asked you:
'And seeing the point I was making (which you totally ignored) was that there's currently extremists in power in Israel yet you wouldn't try to claim it wasn't a democracy, maybe you could explain why you think democracy wouldn't exist with Palestinian extremists but still exists with Israeli extremists?'
Do you understand the question? I'm not asking you to rank extremists as I don't give a shit who you think is more extreme than who. I asked you to explain why Israeli extremists are considered by you to be capable of being democratic, but not Arabs...
And yet again, the PA aren't extremists. What are you failing to comprehend about the fact that they're actually moderates and considered so by Israel which is why Israel agrees to negotiate with them? Is everyone else but you wrong?
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| - A Debate on BDS with Omar Barghouti and Rabbi Arthur Waskow |
Douglas Carpenter |
Mar-04-10 03:05 PM |
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Before some mod locks this because over 4-5 paragraphs of copyright stuff might be risky, DN! is CC |
ConsAreLiars |
Mar-05-10 12:55 AM |
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That's a really good interview... |
Violet_Crumble |
Mar-05-10 04:39 AM |
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It's interesting that the part you thought is true is total bullshit. |
aranthus |
Mar-05-10 10:07 AM |
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Ze'ev Jabotinsky stated way back in 1922 that Zionism was above all a colonizing movement |
Douglas Carpenter |
Mar-05-10 11:51 AM |
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you ignore arab nationalism.. |
pelsar |
Mar-05-10 12:02 PM |
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most Palestinians of Israeli citizenship do want full equal rights |
Douglas Carpenter |
Mar-05-10 12:17 PM |
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of course Israeli arabs want an improvement on the civil rights...but as israel defines it |
pelsar |
Mar-05-10 01:15 PM |
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Lot's of American Whites felt the same way in the 1960's |
azurnoir |
Mar-06-10 12:23 AM |
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no, the Palestinians nor israeli arabs are not like the KKK as you are insinuating |
pelsar |
Mar-06-10 02:01 AM |
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Somehow I don't think your quite understanding |
azurnoir |
Mar-06-10 11:57 AM |
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You have to take the movement as a package, |
aranthus |
Mar-05-10 12:15 PM |
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I support the right of return because I understand what it is... |
Violet_Crumble |
Mar-05-10 03:33 PM |
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How to spell definitely |
oberliner |
Mar-05-10 03:38 PM |
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More spelling flames? Pretty lame, Obie... |
Violet_Crumble |
Mar-05-10 03:44 PM |
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Wow. How bizarre. |
ProgressiveMuslim |
Mar-07-10 07:36 AM |
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Clearly correct spelling is more important than key issues in the conflict to some |
Violet_Crumble |
Mar-07-10 09:05 PM |
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No, you pretend what it is. |
aranthus |
Mar-05-10 04:34 PM |
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No, yr the one who sat there and pretended something was said that wasn't... |
Violet_Crumble |
Mar-05-10 04:40 PM |
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What's interesting is your response to shira's post |
aranthus |
Mar-05-10 06:28 PM |
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Barghouti doesn't get to define what right of return means... |
Violet_Crumble |
Mar-05-10 09:06 PM |
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Just the opposite. |
aranthus |
Mar-05-10 11:46 PM |
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No, I'm not defining it and you clearly haven't bothered reading the OP properly... |
Violet_Crumble |
Mar-06-10 04:37 PM |
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Do you even read what you post? |
aranthus |
Mar-06-10 06:59 PM |
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I most definately do... |
Violet_Crumble |
Mar-06-10 07:08 PM |
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Then perhaps you didn't read the top of the subthread. |
aranthus |
Mar-13-10 01:13 AM |
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Here's Omar Barghouti on RoR and his solution to the conflict |
shira |
Mar-05-10 04:51 PM |
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I now support one binational and secular state with a full physical right of return... |
Violet_Crumble |
Mar-05-10 05:00 PM |
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figures |
shira |
Mar-05-10 05:20 PM |
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It shouldn't come as a shock to you as you always falsely accused me of doing so.. |
Violet_Crumble |
Mar-05-10 05:24 PM |
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good for you |
shira |
Mar-05-10 05:39 PM |
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It is. Supporting equal rights for all and secularism is so empowering! n/t |
Violet_Crumble |
Mar-05-10 05:50 PM |
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Then you support never-ending conflict..... |
proteus_lives |
Mar-05-10 09:18 PM |
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No, actually, I don't... n/t |
Violet_Crumble |
Mar-06-10 04:39 PM |
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This discussion is so illuminating. |
ProgressiveMuslim |
Mar-07-10 07:41 AM |
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Thanks for posting this. |
aranthus |
Mar-05-10 06:25 PM |
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And what do you find so interesting about my response? |
Violet_Crumble |
Mar-05-10 08:11 PM |
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Because instead of admitting the truth or refutting it |
aranthus |
Mar-05-10 08:29 PM |
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Sorry, but what's this truth I'm supposed to be admitting? |
Violet_Crumble |
Mar-05-10 08:50 PM |
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Two things |
aranthus |
Mar-06-10 12:16 AM |
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The vast majority of Palestinians want full RoR and here's evidence |
shira |
Mar-06-10 05:54 AM |
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I need to amend my statement. |
aranthus |
Mar-06-10 01:08 PM |
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You do realise that what Shira linked to wasn't true at all? |
Violet_Crumble |
Mar-06-10 07:11 PM |
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A blog post on ZIO-NATION is evidence of Palestinian beliefs and intentions? Only in your mind. |
ProgressiveMuslim |
Mar-07-10 07:45 AM |
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I totally disagree with both points... |
Violet_Crumble |
Mar-06-10 04:55 PM |
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admittedly this is my own anecdotal experience |
Douglas Carpenter |
Mar-06-10 11:29 PM |
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I am interested in the way Israel's supporters interpret this. What are they afraid of? |
ProgressiveMuslim |
Mar-07-10 07:50 AM |
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Poll from 2003 suggests that 100s of 1000s would move to Israel from Lebanon, Jordan, and |
oberliner |
Mar-07-10 09:09 AM |
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so roughly 150,000 refugees or 40% want to return to Israel in order not to live in peace |
shira |
Mar-07-10 10:32 AM |
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Well, the Israeli gov't manages many more illegal, non-law abiding settlers. Piece of cake! nt |
ProgressiveMuslim |
Mar-07-10 11:51 AM |
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So Oberliner, can you spell out what about that data frightens you so? nt |
ProgressiveMuslim |
Mar-07-10 11:51 AM |
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"Said that they would not respect applicable Israeli law and would not live in peace in Israel" |
oberliner |
Mar-07-10 01:49 PM |
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What does that even mean? |
ProgressiveMuslim |
Mar-07-10 02:58 PM |
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Here is the question |
oberliner |
Mar-07-10 03:44 PM |
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Editing to change the meaning again Shira |
azurnoir |
Mar-06-10 12:33 AM |
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another baseless accusation by you....what was taken out of context? |
shira |
Mar-06-10 05:59 AM |
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so you are against a Democratic state |
azurnoir |
Mar-06-10 10:58 AM |
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an election that puts the PLO or Hamas into power in one democratic Israelstine would be disastrous |
shira |
Mar-06-10 12:06 PM |
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But there's extremists in power in Israel right now and it's still a democracy... |
Violet_Crumble |
Mar-06-10 07:24 PM |
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you "don't consider the PA to be extremist like Lieberman and co are..." |
shira |
Mar-06-10 07:58 PM |
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Actually, the PA isn't extremist... |
Violet_Crumble |
Mar-06-10 08:06 PM |
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the PLO/Fatah is very extremist |
shira |
Mar-07-10 05:51 AM |
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The PA is not extremist... |
Violet_Crumble |
Mar-07-10 06:03 AM |
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Read the link in that last post about Arafat and Abbas' legacy in Lebanon |
shira |
Mar-07-10 06:10 AM |
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And yet again you've totally ignored the question you were asked |
Violet_Crumble |
Mar-07-10 06:12 AM |
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the answer - which should be obvious to you |
shira |
Mar-07-10 06:47 AM |
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How about answering the question you were asked... |
Violet_Crumble |
Mar-07-10 06:56 AM |
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So based on that are you against any peace talks |
azurnoir |
Mar-07-10 03:32 PM |
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They did NOTHING compared to what extremist-led Israel did in Lebanon. |
ProgressiveMuslim |
Mar-07-10 04:49 PM |
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Lebanese people committed this massacre nt |
oberliner |
Mar-07-10 07:56 PM |
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The IDF allowed them into the camp knowing full well what they'd do.. |
Violet_Crumble |
Mar-07-10 09:01 PM |
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My point is that Shira needs a reality check. |
ProgressiveMuslim |
Mar-08-10 05:53 AM |
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Phalangists and Palestinians had been massacring each other in Lebanon well before 1982 |
oberliner |
Mar-09-10 07:25 AM |
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it is not arguable that the IDF allowed the Phalangist into the two camps knowing full well what |
Douglas Carpenter |
Mar-09-10 10:16 AM |
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Oberliner seems to prefer Shira's version of history. nt |
ProgressiveMuslim |
Mar-09-10 10:32 AM |
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Tell me your version of 1976 in Lebanon |
oberliner |
Mar-09-10 12:19 PM |
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No argument here |
oberliner |
Mar-09-10 12:20 PM |
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I believe that in this, case the term - LIHOP (Let it happen on purpose) |
Douglas Carpenter |
Mar-09-10 12:46 PM |
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Many Afrikaners said similar things n/t |
azurnoir |
Mar-07-10 03:31 PM |
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Its interesting how often your arguments |
FarrenH |
Mar-09-10 04:12 AM |
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No, it's not total bullshit... |
Violet_Crumble |
Mar-06-10 04:33 PM |
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Damn, you really need a reality check, or something. |
ConsAreLiars |
Mar-07-10 01:21 AM |
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Not a real debate at all. |
aranthus |
Mar-05-10 10:36 AM |
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the most interesting paragraph.... |
pelsar |
Mar-05-10 11:14 AM |
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Maybe I'm misunderstanding the Rabbi, |
aranthus |
Mar-05-10 12:22 PM |
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of course demonizing Israel is the point and the goal is to eliminate Israel |
shira |
Mar-05-10 12:40 PM |
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True. |
aranthus |
Mar-05-10 01:09 PM |
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So interesting that you guys feel "demonized" by this. |
ProgressiveMuslim |
Mar-07-10 03:00 PM |
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Pelsar, can you think of a more effective way to motivate Israeli citizens to change the status quo? |
ProgressiveMuslim |
Mar-09-10 01:52 PM |
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and israeli institutions..... |
pelsar |
Mar-12-10 04:00 PM |
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Middle East Peace: Ground Truths, Challenges Ahead, |
Violet_Crumble |
Mar-05-10 04:42 PM |
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Deleted sub-thread |
Name removed |
Mar-05-10 04:50 PM |
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that should be read by everyone here... |
pelsar |
Mar-06-10 02:20 AM |
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agreed - it is a good article |
shira |
Mar-06-10 06:20 AM |
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I particularly like the calls to end to the siege, and to "allow" Palestinian reconciliation. nt |
ProgressiveMuslim |
Mar-07-10 12:07 PM |
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Very interesting article... |
LeftishBrit |
Mar-06-10 12:38 PM |
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Having listened to the entire podcast... the Rabbi never addresses the primary stumbling block to |
ProgressiveMuslim |
Mar-09-10 09:30 AM |
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I would really love to discuss the Rabbi's position, if anyone here shares it! nt |
ProgressiveMuslim |
Mar-10-10 11:14 AM |
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