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oberliner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-26-10 05:18 PM
Response to Reply #16
24. You could be "proIsrael" and "progressive" at the same time
Edited on Fri Feb-26-10 05:19 PM by oberliner
I think that my citation from the forum guidelines shows that the administration of this board at least does not believe that "proIsrael" means "not progressive"

The poster to whom I was responding appeared to be indicating otherwise with warnings that appeared to be expressing concerns about progressive blogs having cadres of "proIsrael" posters signing up.
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  -For Israel, every traveler is an ambassador shergald  Feb-26-10 09:43 AM   #0 
  - There's no idea who is writing these ads, but the absurdity of its presuppositions about...  shergald   Feb-26-10 09:48 AM   #1 
  - Frank Luntz, where are you when you need you?  shergald   Feb-26-10 10:02 AM   #2 
  - The 2009 Israel Project (TIP) handbook  azurnoir   Feb-26-10 11:14 AM   #4 
     - Luntz's lies are all in there, and possibly even massaged a bit from their originals.  shergald   Feb-26-10 11:52 AM   #6 
  - is Israel confusing itself with Saudi Arabia?  azurnoir   Feb-26-10 11:13 AM   #3 
  - I don't think the big liberal blogs can afford more proIsraeli proponents than they have now.  shergald   Feb-26-10 11:50 AM   #5 
     - Do not assume that because someone is Pro-Israeli or Pro-Palestinian they are not progressive.  oberliner   Feb-26-10 12:40 PM   #8 
     - My take on the proPalestinian bloggers is that they are deep into progressive values.  shergald   Feb-26-10 01:03 PM   #9 
        - whats missing...  pelsar   Feb-26-10 01:15 PM   #10 
        - And those Palestinians who believe those things deserve a hearing too.  shergald   Feb-26-10 01:35 PM   #12 
        - I call bullshit on this.  ProgressiveMuslim   Feb-26-10 02:15 PM   #15 
           - Well, I would say, no one is fooling you about what is happening in the Palestinian territories.  shergald   Feb-26-10 02:53 PM   #18 
           - i know you do..thats why i like reading your posts....  pelsar   Feb-26-10 05:29 PM   #25 
              - Bullshit.  ProgressiveMuslim   Feb-26-10 05:47 PM   #29 
              - damn kassams....bad idea - trying to israelis.....  pelsar   Feb-26-10 05:56 PM   #30 
              - There were no kassams back when my brother-in-law's neck was used as an IDF ashtray...  ProgressiveMuslim   Feb-27-10 07:40 AM   #40 
                 - a win for the Palestinians...gaza  pelsar   Feb-27-10 08:05 AM   #41 
                 - Your interpretation of events makes me very sad.  Shaktimaan   Feb-27-10 08:10 AM   #42 
                    - Just looking at the facts. I'm more concerned with my relatives under siege in Gaza  ProgressiveMuslim   Feb-27-10 11:05 AM   #53 
              - "son of Hamas" calls bullshit  shira   Feb-26-10 06:09 PM   #32 
                 - Some piece of garbage.  shergald   Feb-27-10 08:22 AM   #44 
                    - im impressed  pelsar   Feb-27-10 02:36 PM   #59 
                       - For crying out loud. Pelsar, do you really expect Palestinians and their supporters to herald  ProgressiveMuslim   Feb-28-10 08:29 AM   #71 
              - This truly the weakest part of Israeli propaganda: blame the Palestinians for their demise,..  shergald   Feb-27-10 08:16 AM   #43 
                 - it's their leadership; it's Islamist imperialism (revolution) like in Afghanistan, S.Arabia & Iran  shira   Feb-27-10 08:33 AM   #46 
                 - there you go again...with that great white colonialist attitude....  pelsar   Feb-27-10 02:18 PM   #56 
                 - You should have been aiming that spray at Shira...  Violet_Crumble   Feb-27-10 03:41 PM   #60 
                 - Isn't it fascinating how pro-Israelis like to pretend that an occupied people should somehow  ProgressiveMuslim   Feb-28-10 08:33 AM   #72 
                    - The Turks and Brits occupied Palestine before Israel was established, but Jews built democracratic  shira   Feb-28-10 08:59 AM   #75 
                    - You compare the British Mandate to the Israeli occupation? Really?  ProgressiveMuslim   Feb-28-10 09:00 AM   #76 
                       - you think if Jews treated Brit troops like Hamas treats IDF, they'd have fared better? Really?  shira   Feb-28-10 09:05 AM   #77 
                    - What is your source for the claim that the unemployment rate is over 50%?  oberliner   Feb-28-10 09:07 AM   #78 
        - Again, I am just sharing with you the I/P guidelines from the DU moderators  oberliner   Feb-26-10 01:22 PM   #11 
        - And your purpose in quoting the DU guidelines was...???  shergald   Feb-26-10 01:45 PM   #13 
        - To dispute your implication that a "cadre of proIsrael bloggers" joining up would be a bad thing  oberliner   Feb-26-10 01:58 PM   #14 
           - I was actually thinking of Daily Kos.  shergald   Feb-26-10 02:49 PM   #17 
              - With respect to Daily Kos  oberliner   Feb-26-10 04:05 PM   #20 
                 - The output varies from 4 to 8 IP diaries a day, if I'm not mistaken.  shergald   Feb-26-10 05:59 PM   #31 
                    - is it liberal/progressive to never condemn Hamas for what they do to Palestinian Gazans?  shira   Feb-26-10 06:16 PM   #33 
                    - You've been either taken in by propaganda or are knowingly plying it here a mile a minute.  shergald   Feb-26-10 10:28 PM   #35 
                       - Deleted message  Name removed   Feb-27-10 05:49 AM   #38 
                          - Keep waiting.  shergald   Feb-27-10 08:30 AM   #45 
                             - Deleted message  Name removed   Feb-27-10 08:42 AM   #47 
                                - No-one has to show anything to you...  Violet_Crumble   Feb-27-10 03:54 PM   #61 
                                   - I wasn't addressing you, so why are you butting in?  shira   Feb-27-10 06:52 PM   #63 
                                      - I'm not butting in. I didn't realise I needed yr permission to reply to posts...  Violet_Crumble   Feb-27-10 08:18 PM   #64 
                                         - but I'm not interested at all in what you think & I'm not sure why you think I do  shira   Feb-27-10 08:23 PM   #65 
                                         - Gosh, maybe it's coz you keep on asking me 'questions' all the time...  Violet_Crumble   Feb-27-10 08:28 PM   #67 
                                         - no, you butted in - remember?  shira   Feb-27-10 08:29 PM   #68 
                                         - I'm not butting in. I didn't realise I needed yr permission to reply to posts...  Violet_Crumble   Feb-27-10 08:32 PM   #69 
                    - Deleted message  Name removed   Feb-27-10 05:38 AM   #37 
                       - 7.46 diaries tagged "Israel" posted DAILY on Daily Kos.  shergald   Feb-27-10 08:51 AM   #48 
        - I'm not sure what the point was you were trying to make...  Violet_Crumble   Feb-26-10 02:44 PM   #16 
        - You could be "proIsrael" and "progressive" at the same time  oberliner   Feb-26-10 05:18 PM   #24 
           - That comment was based on the loose interpretation of Israel's appeal....  shergald   Feb-26-10 06:26 PM   #34 
        - Well there is at least one poster who while not  azurnoir   Feb-26-10 05:03 PM   #22 
        - coming from you  cali   Feb-27-10 05:35 AM   #36 
     - True enough and in addition if you log out of DU  azurnoir   Feb-26-10 05:00 PM   #21 
        - You can add it to "Your Forums" if it is a topic you are interested in  oberliner   Feb-26-10 05:15 PM   #23 
        - my point was that for a "lurker" (unregistered)  azurnoir   Feb-26-10 05:31 PM   #26 
           - Well screw the lurkers!  oberliner   Feb-26-10 05:32 PM   #27 
              - hey be nice most of us started as lurkers n/t  azurnoir   Feb-26-10 05:43 PM   #28 
        - That is incredible.  shergald   Feb-27-10 09:13 AM   #51 
           - You should have been here during the fighting in Lebanon  oberliner   Feb-27-10 09:21 AM   #52 
              - Well I suppose at some point the ig-norance gets embarassing.  shergald   Feb-27-10 02:33 PM   #58 
  - "500 Artists Against Israeli Apartheid'  shergald   Feb-26-10 12:23 PM   #7 
  - The train has left the station. If Israel continues its current path, it will be be a pariah state,  ProgressiveMuslim   Feb-26-10 03:42 PM   #19 
     - You're absolutely correct. Oslo was a hoax, a sham.  shergald   Feb-27-10 12:24 PM   #54 
        - Ultimately (and sadly) Arafat was more interested in building his power base than in building a  ProgressiveMuslim   Feb-27-10 01:21 PM   #55 
           - you tell me....  pelsar   Feb-27-10 02:31 PM   #57 
              - I don't agree that Arafat was the cause of the fall of Oslo or Canp David.  shergald   Feb-27-10 04:06 PM   #62 
              - of course you dont...because you don't understand ......  pelsar   Feb-28-10 11:22 AM   #83 
              - Israel encouraged and enabled every ounce of his corruption.  ProgressiveMuslim   Feb-28-10 08:28 AM   #70 
                 - yeah, right - and if Israel locked Arafat out, they would have been blamed for meddling...  shira   Feb-28-10 08:43 AM   #74 
                 - even arafat was in israelis pocket?  pelsar   Feb-28-10 11:20 AM   #82 
                    - well duh, Israelis responsible for 100% of mess, Palestinians 0%  shira   Feb-28-10 11:31 AM   #84 
  - The international poll in this article is certainly interesting -  Douglas Carpenter   Feb-27-10 06:13 AM   #39 
     - Part of the results are due to the propaganda war Israel has waged in the US.  shergald   Feb-27-10 08:59 AM   #49 
        - How do you explain Nigeria?  oberliner   Feb-27-10 09:11 AM   #50 
           - Thank Golda Meir.  shergald   Feb-27-10 08:23 PM   #66 
              - Diplomatic relations between Israel and Nigeria were severed in 1973  oberliner   Feb-28-10 08:41 AM   #73 
                 - Got me!  shergald   Feb-28-10 09:10 AM   #79 
                    - How about race?  oberliner   Feb-28-10 09:51 AM   #80 
                       - In the case of India I would suspect it is largely coming from anti-Muslim sentiment  Douglas Carpenter   Feb-28-10 10:43 AM   #81 
 

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