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Green_Lantern Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-12-10 12:17 PM
Response to Reply #45
46. well I looked back at what I said....
And it was worse than what I meant to say. I meant I really used to be more naive about the Palestinians thinking they were all basically hostages to Hamas but now I realize Hamas has a great deal of support among the populace.

I still sympathize with the Palestinians caught in the middle of this.
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  -Israeli diplomats 'hazed' on campus ensho  Feb-11-10 11:36 AM   #0 
  - I suspect that people are tired of the same old accusations-  notadmblnd   Feb-11-10 11:51 AM   #1 
  - You can say that agin. nt  Christa   Feb-11-10 12:10 PM   #2 
  - disagreeing with Israeli policy is one thing..  Green_Lantern   Feb-11-10 01:31 PM   #3 
     - No, that guy wasn't protested because he's Israeli...  Violet_Crumble   Feb-11-10 01:33 PM   #4 
        - well they didn't know if he even supported the policies they  Green_Lantern   Feb-11-10 01:38 PM   #5 
           - Of course people know that he's the Israeli ambassador and supporter of the govts policies...  Violet_Crumble   Feb-11-10 01:40 PM   #6 
  - borders on anti-semitism...  Green_Lantern   Feb-11-10 02:02 PM   #7 
  - LOL  azurnoir   Feb-11-10 02:12 PM   #8 
  - yes and your point?  Green_Lantern   Feb-11-10 02:20 PM   #10 
     - No racism in your posts either...  MUAD_DIB   Feb-11-10 02:29 PM   #13 
     - that's their own designation...  Green_Lantern   Feb-11-10 02:37 PM   #14 
        - Why not just call them darkies?  MUAD_DIB   Feb-11-10 10:13 PM   #20 
           - You are aware that there are Iraqis, Syrians, Lebanese and other non palestinian arabs living in  Kurska   Feb-12-10 12:18 AM   #22 
           - What do they call Palestinians living in Israel?  MUAD_DIB   Feb-12-10 01:14 AM   #26 
              - The terminology issue...  Violet_Crumble   Feb-12-10 02:15 AM   #27 
              - I would call them Israeli citizens. n/t  Kurska   Feb-12-10 04:32 PM   #73 
           - you equate Palestinian as a racial slur?  Green_Lantern   Feb-12-10 10:28 AM   #29 
              - No. When they are called Arabs I do. It is a great way of marginalizing them.  MUAD_DIB   Feb-12-10 11:25 AM   #35 
                 - I wasn't using it as a slur...  Green_Lantern   Feb-12-10 11:31 AM   #36 
                 - why? They call themselves  Green_Lantern   Feb-12-10 11:36 AM   #38 
                    - If Israel had never been what would they call themselves?  MUAD_DIB   Feb-12-10 11:53 AM   #40 
                       - no not all Arabs in Israel are of Palestinian descent...  Green_Lantern   Feb-12-10 11:59 AM   #43 
                          - Semantics...  MUAD_DIB   Feb-12-10 01:14 PM   #47 
                             - no its not...  Green_Lantern   Feb-12-10 01:43 PM   #48 
                                - Wrong. It is a derogatory term used to marginalize the Palestinians.  MUAD_DIB   Feb-12-10 02:38 PM   #53 
                                   - well that's not how I meant it..  Green_Lantern   Feb-12-10 02:44 PM   #55 
                                      - The international community doesn't give a shit about them.  MUAD_DIB   Feb-12-10 02:46 PM   #56 
                                         - other Arab nations do pretend..  Green_Lantern   Feb-12-10 02:53 PM   #58 
                                            - I really don't care about the comparison. Using the "well they're treated better here  MUAD_DIB   Feb-12-10 02:55 PM   #59 
                                               - how are Arab citizens of Israel treated as 2nd class citizens..  Green_Lantern   Feb-12-10 02:59 PM   #61 
                                               - For starters... Right of return.  MUAD_DIB   Feb-12-10 03:07 PM   #63 
                                               - return where?  Green_Lantern   Feb-12-10 03:10 PM   #64 
                                               - Thanks or the sophistry. Good luck with the purging of the  MUAD_DIB   Feb-12-10 03:21 PM   #65 
                                               - I never said any of that....  Green_Lantern   Feb-12-10 03:37 PM   #66 
                                               - I got your number, sparky. Nice try.  MUAD_DIB   Feb-12-10 03:41 PM   #67 
                                               - on that note....  Green_Lantern   Feb-12-10 03:51 PM   #69 
                                               - well there is a fair amount of data available on that subject  Douglas Carpenter   Feb-12-10 03:45 PM   #68 
                                               - Thanks for the historical content.  MUAD_DIB   Feb-12-10 05:36 PM   #74 
     - you already made your point  azurnoir   Feb-11-10 02:38 PM   #15 
        - the point is they don't just disagree with govt policy..  Green_Lantern   Feb-11-10 02:42 PM   #16 
           - They despise the Israeli occupation of the West Bank  azurnoir   Feb-11-10 02:59 PM   #18 
              - they despise everything Israel does...  Green_Lantern   Feb-11-10 03:04 PM   #19 
                 - Here is what was said from YOUR quote  azurnoir   Feb-11-10 10:57 PM   #21 
                 - if it walks like a duck...  Green_Lantern   Feb-12-10 10:31 AM   #30 
                 - Great. Just what this forum needs. Another mind-reader...  Violet_Crumble   Feb-12-10 12:54 AM   #25 
                    - well I doubt they blame Arabs in Israel for the occupation...  Green_Lantern   Feb-12-10 10:33 AM   #31 
                       - Why do you think someone has to either blame Arabs or Jews?  Violet_Crumble   Feb-12-10 02:33 PM   #51 
                          - because in this conflict...  Green_Lantern   Feb-12-10 02:49 PM   #57 
                             - That makes you an idealogue too then?  Violet_Crumble   Feb-12-10 08:30 PM   #76 
                                - no I'm not an ideologue on Israel....  Green_Lantern   Feb-13-10 02:25 PM   #102 
  - No, it doesn't. What you posted said zero about Jewish culture...  Violet_Crumble   Feb-12-10 12:46 AM   #23 
     - no but I doubt anti-semites are inclusive in their views  Green_Lantern   Feb-12-10 10:39 AM   #32 
        - Now yr accusing these protesters of being antisemitic?  Violet_Crumble   Feb-12-10 02:20 PM   #49 
           - no, not every protester...  Green_Lantern   Feb-12-10 02:32 PM   #50 
              - Um, I also believe that. Oren's a supporter of all that...  Violet_Crumble   Feb-12-10 02:37 PM   #52 
                 - yes exactly the point...  Green_Lantern   Feb-12-10 02:56 PM   #60 
                    - And the problem with that is?  Violet_Crumble   Feb-12-10 08:34 PM   #77 
                       - no I said I have no problem with people disagreeing  Green_Lantern   Feb-13-10 02:32 PM   #103 
  - Pathetic behavior on their part.  Behind the Aegis   Feb-11-10 02:14 PM   #9 
  - these students are as crazy as  Green_Lantern   Feb-11-10 02:22 PM   #11 
     - Yes, they are.  Behind the Aegis   Feb-11-10 02:24 PM   #12 
     - Just because people protest against a regime you appear to support doesn't make them crazy...  Violet_Crumble   Feb-12-10 12:49 AM   #24 
     - the protest isn't what makes them crazy...  Green_Lantern   Feb-12-10 10:43 AM   #33 
        - yelling, screaming & shouting = crazy  stranger81   Feb-12-10 11:43 AM   #39 
           - yeah Israel defending itself is sure crazy...  Green_Lantern   Feb-12-10 11:57 AM   #42 
           - You might want to consult a dictionary on the difference between "defense" and "offense."  stranger81   Feb-12-10 03:52 PM   #70 
              - Israel's problem is that it's response can be too  Green_Lantern   Feb-12-10 04:10 PM   #72 
           - bombing and murder is crazy I agree...  Green_Lantern   Feb-12-10 12:04 PM   #44 
              - So when Israel bombs and murders it's 'self-defence'.?  Violet_Crumble   Feb-12-10 02:38 PM   #54 
              - no, not always...  Green_Lantern   Feb-12-10 03:07 PM   #62 
                 - Let's be really clear here. The situation is Gaza...  Violet_Crumble   Feb-12-10 08:36 PM   #78 
              - Right. During OCL, for every 1 Israeli killed, the IDF killed 100 Palestinians.  stranger81   Feb-13-10 02:35 PM   #104 
                 - I'd have to be crazy not to hate death and destruction..  Green_Lantern   Feb-14-10 10:59 AM   #107 
     - As angry, very probably yes; as stupid, no - these guys have good cause to be angry.  Donald Ian Rankin   Feb-12-10 08:23 AM   #28 
        - I sympathized with Palestinians until Israel pulled out of...  Green_Lantern   Feb-12-10 10:47 AM   #34 
           - actually Hamas won 44% of the total vote versus 41% for Fatah  Douglas Carpenter   Feb-12-10 11:33 AM   #37 
              - as far as the election....  Green_Lantern   Feb-12-10 11:54 AM   #41 
                 - as the article of August 26, 2005 posted above from Associated Press points out  Douglas Carpenter   Feb-12-10 12:05 PM   #45 
                    - well I looked back at what I said....  Green_Lantern   Feb-12-10 12:17 PM   #46 
                    - please please be accurate....  pelsar   Feb-12-10 06:14 PM   #75 
                       - Do you agree with what Green Lantern said?  Violet_Crumble   Feb-12-10 08:38 PM   #79 
                       - no.not at all  pelsar   Feb-13-10 12:24 AM   #87 
                          - actually I agree with what you said....  Green_Lantern   Feb-13-10 02:38 PM   #105 
                       - The Gaza withdraw was justified by Mr. Sharon to his constituency on the basis that it would help  Douglas Carpenter   Feb-12-10 10:01 PM   #81 
                          - The Government also made a lot of noise about how unilateral the withdrawal was.  bemildred   Feb-12-10 10:30 PM   #82 
                          - well yes Sharon certainly made much of how unilateral the agreement was and how much it would  Douglas Carpenter   Feb-12-10 10:40 PM   #83 
                          - Hey Doug!  bemildred   Feb-12-10 10:55 PM   #84 
                             - and hamas would have "canned their plans"...  pelsar   Feb-13-10 12:57 AM   #90 
                                - Yes, I know you prefer to stick to the straw men and self-pity, so much more satisfying. nt  bemildred   Feb-13-10 08:16 AM   #100 
                          - of course it was self interest...that what countries do...  pelsar   Feb-13-10 12:44 AM   #89 
                             - I don't begrudge you the self-interest, it's the shooting yourself in the foot I'm talking about. nt  bemildred   Feb-13-10 08:17 AM   #101 
                          - do you have the actually the stats?  pelsar   Feb-13-10 12:29 AM   #88 
                          - Doug your not going to like this.....the STATS  pelsar   Feb-13-10 01:07 AM   #91 
                             - Sharon's government approved the Gaza withdraw plan on June 6, 2004  Douglas Carpenter   Feb-13-10 02:35 AM   #92 
                                - bingo!  pelsar   Feb-13-10 02:48 AM   #93 
                                   - if you want me to say that armed militias in the Gaza made matters worse  Douglas Carpenter   Feb-13-10 03:00 AM   #94 
                                      - the PA is not a militia  pelsar   Feb-13-10 03:04 AM   #95 
                                         - as I'm sure you must know it was Israel, not Hamas that broke the cease fire in Nov 08  Douglas Carpenter   Feb-13-10 03:29 AM   #96 
                                            - totally irrelevant....  pelsar   Feb-13-10 04:35 AM   #97 
                                            - Abbas has no control in Gaza...  Green_Lantern   Feb-14-10 11:04 AM   #108 
  - here is a video of the event"  Douglas Carpenter   Feb-11-10 02:47 PM   #17 
     - Do you support their actions?  Behind the Aegis   Feb-12-10 03:54 PM   #71 
     - I suppose I have mixed feelings  Douglas Carpenter   Feb-12-10 11:43 PM   #85 
        - Thank you for the response.  Behind the Aegis   Feb-12-10 11:54 PM   #86 
     - Thanks for posting that video...  Violet_Crumble   Feb-12-10 08:50 PM   #80 
        - Well said!  ProgressiveMuslim   Feb-13-10 06:25 AM   #98 
           - hi!!  Douglas Carpenter   Feb-13-10 07:37 AM   #99 
              - Hey Doug!  ProgressiveMuslim   Feb-14-10 10:48 AM   #106 
 

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