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Violet_Crumble Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-04-10 01:48 PM
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100. Thanks. I disagree coz he said a bit more than just calling Goldstone a traitor...
I went back and reread it, and if what he said about it being like a Jew had written the Protocols and focusing on his last name and saying that he's using his last name to defame the Jewish people, then it's very ugly and focusing far too much in a negative way on someone being Jewish. I read somewhere last night that Dershy was now backtracking over what he said in that interview and had said he hadn't meant to call Goldstone a 'mosa' (don't know if I spelt it right but it's a word that has a really dark meaning), but thought the interviewer was asking him if he thought Mr Goldstone was a 'monster'...

All in all, Dershy is a really nasty individual who seems to revel in engaging in hysterical and hyperbolic attacks on other people...
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  -Dershowitz: Goldstone is a traitor to the Jewish people Scurrilous  Jan-31-10 11:35 AM   #0 
  - Dershowitz is and always has been a self-serving piece of crap  Vinnie From Indy   Jan-31-10 11:45 AM   #1 
  - Deshowitz is engaging in anti-semitism  TomClash   Jan-31-10 11:57 AM   #2 
  - Screw the ad hominum attacks, Counselor. Are Goldstone's contentions valid and true?  no_hypocrisy   Jan-31-10 12:03 PM   #3 
  - they're not valid and true....they're willful distortions and here is the latest example  shira   Jan-31-10 01:36 PM   #9 
     - LOL, CAMERA! the pro-israeli group  Tripmann   Jan-31-10 01:44 PM   #10 
     - (edited) CAMERA nailed this one. Look at UNITAR's work and Mr. Hamada's testimony  shira   Jan-31-10 01:52 PM   #11 
     - I hope you understand shira  Tripmann   Jan-31-10 02:00 PM   #12 
        - if you're a true believer, no amount of evidence will be enough for you  shira   Jan-31-10 02:07 PM   #14 
           - When yr a True Beleiver, the most idiotic bullshit becomes *evidence*...  Violet_Crumble   Feb-01-10 12:59 AM   #20 
           - Btselem's Jessica Montell & Yael Stein say Goldstone's main conclusion is nonsense  shira   Feb-02-10 11:08 AM   #34 
              - Gosh, I hope Israel drops the nonsense charges against those soldiers!1 !  Violet_Crumble   Feb-02-10 01:39 PM   #36 
                 - claiming some of Israel's troops were careless and claiming they were ordered to punish Gazans....  shira   Feb-02-10 02:51 PM   #38 
                    - Why are you still making false claims about montell?  Violet_Crumble   Feb-02-10 06:30 PM   #40 
                       - no false claims.....Yael Stein went even further and was more explicit, so why are you pretending...  shira   Feb-02-10 06:53 PM   #41 
                          - The quote was taken out of context  Violet_Crumble   Feb-02-10 07:29 PM   #42 
                             - no it wasn't, and Yael Stein's comment just confirms exactly what I quoted - why pretend otherwise?  shira   Feb-02-10 07:37 PM   #44 
                                - Anyone with a basic level of comprehension can see it was taken out of context  Violet_Crumble   Feb-02-10 09:47 PM   #46 
                                - Could you please post that second quote in its full context with a link?  Violet_Crumble   Feb-03-10 01:08 AM   #49 
                                   - look at the end of the article....  shira   Feb-03-10 03:59 AM   #51 
                                      - As I suspected, there's no context in that snippet...  Violet_Crumble   Feb-03-10 04:58 AM   #53 
                                         - I can't be held responsible for your denial  shira   Feb-03-10 05:02 AM   #54 
                                            - Yeah, I'm denying you the chance to derail the discussion...  Violet_Crumble   Feb-03-10 05:13 AM   #57 
                                            - no derailment at all - the facts prove Dershowitz's allegations against Goldstone are on target  shira   Feb-03-10 05:26 AM   #60 
                                            - No, you replied to my post with nonsensical rubbish...  Violet_Crumble   Feb-03-10 05:36 AM   #62 
                                            - the thread is based on #3 and you derailed it - don't deny it  shira   Feb-03-10 03:23 PM   #75 
                                            - Are you for fucking real??  Violet_Crumble   Feb-04-10 12:35 AM   #84 
                                            - I can't say your denial is a surprise  shira   Feb-04-10 12:17 PM   #94 
                                            - I know. I always deny it when complete lies are told about me...  Violet_Crumble   Feb-04-10 01:33 PM   #99 
                                            - would it help if I proved Ben White was a hateful POS?  shira   Feb-05-10 08:20 AM   #106 
                                            - It'd help if someone who was rational and not a lunatic did so...  Violet_Crumble   Feb-05-10 02:12 PM   #111 
                                            - it would help if you were honest  shira   Feb-06-10 01:12 PM   #121 
                                            - I always am - sometimes far too bluntly so...  Violet_Crumble   Feb-06-10 02:01 PM   #122 
                                            - what I find most interesting is how she managed to  azurnoir   Feb-05-10 08:36 AM   #107 
                                            - it's not hard googling haredi, settlers, violet and doing a few minutes research  shira   Feb-05-10 10:44 AM   #108 
                                            - aha lol n/t  azurnoir   Feb-05-10 01:03 PM   #110 
                                            - I was impressed how she didn't even bother reading what she posted a link to...  Violet_Crumble   Feb-05-10 02:13 PM   #112 
           - Deleted message  Name removed   Feb-01-10 04:59 AM   #23 
     - Er...no...CAMERA is not "the pro-Israeli group".  Ken Burch   Feb-01-10 07:38 PM   #25 
        - CAMERA is so loony that they attacked Spielberg's rabidly pro-Israeli film Munich - a film praised  Douglas Carpenter   Feb-03-10 07:26 AM   #70 
     - so that must go for what Goldstone had to say about Palestnian  azurnoir   Jan-31-10 02:03 PM   #13 
        - you mean rocket fire by Palestinian groups? Hamas just being one of many?  shira   Jan-31-10 02:10 PM   #15 
           - So the part about the rocket is not credible either? n/t  azurnoir   Jan-31-10 02:39 PM   #16 
           - That is what i have to laugh at Azurnoir,  Tripmann   Jan-31-10 02:58 PM   #17 
              - (edited) compare Goldstone to his main witness and to the UNITAR investigation he ordered  shira   Jan-31-10 03:54 PM   #18 
                 - Anyone who thinks Dershowitz's hatred and ugliness is okay is as loony as he is...  Violet_Crumble   Feb-01-10 01:05 AM   #21 
                 - UN find challenges Israeli version of attack on civilian building in Gaza war  Violet_Crumble   Feb-02-10 05:45 AM   #28 
                    - see post #11 re: Goldstone's claim that IDF hit factory to deny sustenance to Gaza population  shira   Feb-02-10 11:12 AM   #35 
                       - Did you bother reading the article I posted? It appears not...  Violet_Crumble   Feb-02-10 01:47 PM   #37 
                          - Goldstone lied when he claimed there was no reason militarily for Israel to strike at the mill  shira   Feb-02-10 02:58 PM   #39 
                             - The UN found a shell that disproved the IDF story  Violet_Crumble   Feb-02-10 07:35 PM   #43 
                                - Goldstone suppressed evidence that at the very least shows legit military actions in that area  shira   Feb-02-10 07:59 PM   #45 
                                   - According to you and that bunch of liars at camera  Violet_Crumble   Feb-02-10 09:57 PM   #47 
                                      - facts don't lie - Goldstone ignored his own sources so that he could villify Israel  shira   Feb-03-10 04:01 AM   #52 
                                         - You and CAMERA saying something doesn't make it a fact...  Violet_Crumble   Feb-03-10 05:03 AM   #55 
                                            - so UNITAR and the public testimony from Mr. Hamada to Goldstone....don't count as facts?  shira   Feb-03-10 05:06 AM   #56 
                                               - What counts as a fact is the IDF's claim was shown to be false...  Violet_Crumble   Feb-03-10 05:15 AM   #58 
                                                  - so you derailed the thread....the OP is about Dersh attacking Goldstone and his made-up facts  shira   Feb-03-10 05:30 AM   #61 
                                                  - No I didn't. Are you denying the bomb exists?  Violet_Crumble   Feb-03-10 05:38 AM   #64 
                                                  - You clearly did. And how do you know the bomb exists? Have you seen it?  shira   Feb-03-10 03:03 PM   #74 
                                                  - No I fucking well didn't. Are you denying the bomb exists?  Violet_Crumble   Feb-04-10 12:37 AM   #85 
           - Changing the subject-again  azurnoir   Feb-01-10 11:03 PM   #26 
  - Oh, piffle.  aquart   Jan-31-10 12:12 PM   #4 
  - "Jews" are not a gestalt entity; Goldstone did not document his own war crimes.  Donald Ian Rankin   Feb-01-10 06:13 AM   #24 
  - Dersh goes for the usual default position  azurnoir   Jan-31-10 12:15 PM   #5 
  - Alan Dershowitz is a crypto-nazi!  IndianaGreen   Jan-31-10 12:24 PM   #6 
  - Good lord, they don't mince their words!  LeftishBrit   Jan-31-10 12:49 PM   #7 
  - Is calling Dershy a nutjob mudslinging?  Violet_Crumble   Feb-01-10 02:30 AM   #22 
  - My contempt for Dershowitz began nearly as soon as I became aware of him  blueworld   Jan-31-10 12:49 PM   #8 
  - "Goldstone is an evil, evil man." He had to say that word twice, lol  Jefferson23   Jan-31-10 06:43 PM   #19 
  - "Dershowitz is a despicable man who opposes the left and supports the settlers."  bemildred   Feb-01-10 11:15 PM   #27 
  - the personal attacks on Goldstone are really uncalled for.  cqo_000   Feb-02-10 06:27 AM   #29 
  - Yeah, it's nothing more than bullying...  Violet_Crumble   Feb-02-10 06:42 AM   #30 
     - We'll probably see increased attacks on goldstone rather than the report itself  Tripmann   Feb-02-10 06:44 AM   #31 
  - Dershowitz, Jan 2010: Case against the Goldstone Report (49 pages)  shira   Feb-02-10 08:37 AM   #32 
  - Ami Isseroff (ProgressiveZionism) beat Dersh to the punch last May '09  shira   Feb-02-10 11:02 AM   #33 
  - Dershowitz words, "a traitor against the Jewish people " implies that a good Jew, a non-traitorous  Douglas Carpenter   Feb-02-10 11:54 PM   #48 
  - wrong, Doug - as you can see above, the leaders of Btselem and BreakingTheSilence don't buy into....  shira   Feb-03-10 03:42 AM   #50 
     - No, Doug's right. You didn't even try to argue *why* such attitudes aren't antisemitic...  Violet_Crumble   Feb-03-10 05:19 AM   #59 
        - regarding the antisemitic implications...  shira   Feb-03-10 05:38 AM   #63 
        - Yr denying that what Dershy said was antisemitic??  Violet_Crumble   Feb-03-10 05:43 AM   #65 
           - no, it's not.....Goldstone's lies are an attack on Jews, in the interests of Hamas, Iran, etc..  shira   Feb-03-10 06:25 AM   #68 
              - You still haven't explained how what Dershy said wasn't antisemitic...  Violet_Crumble   Feb-03-10 01:29 PM   #71 
              - be very clear - what is antisemitic about Dersh's attack on Goldstone?  shira   Feb-03-10 03:01 PM   #73 
                 - It's stunning how that sensitivity to antisemitism you have totally dries up all of a sudden...  Violet_Crumble   Feb-04-10 12:42 AM   #86 
                    - if Dersh had written that about haters like Gilad Atzmon or Israel Shahak, both Jews....  shira   Feb-04-10 01:05 PM   #95 
                       - What?? It'd be antisemitic no matter which individual it's aimed at...  Violet_Crumble   Feb-04-10 02:03 PM   #103 
              - Shira...  LeftishBrit   Feb-03-10 05:39 PM   #77 
                 - LB, I seriously can't believe you asked that.  shira   Feb-03-10 05:51 PM   #80 
                    - To clarify...  LeftishBrit   Feb-04-10 03:59 AM   #90 
                       - no...there is legit condemnation and criticism of OCL and then there is demonization  shira   Feb-04-10 01:08 PM   #96 
        - considering Mr.Goldstone is after all a Zionist-Jew with an impressive judicial record  Douglas Carpenter   Feb-03-10 05:52 AM   #66 
           - Little things like that get ignored in favour of shrieking insults about him...  Violet_Crumble   Feb-03-10 06:04 AM   #67 
              - LOL...predictable, you're making an appeal to authority and not judging the report on its merits  shira   Feb-03-10 06:28 AM   #69 
                 - No, I'm having my say about fucking hateful morons who personally attack Goldstone...  Violet_Crumble   Feb-03-10 01:38 PM   #72 
                 - you don't get it, there's nothing antisemitic about Dersh's remarks against Goldstone  shira   Feb-03-10 05:40 PM   #78 
                    - Of course what he said was antisemitic...  Violet_Crumble   Feb-04-10 12:51 AM   #87 
                       - so if Dersh wrote the same of Gilad Atzmon, that would be antisemitic to you?  shira   Feb-04-10 01:12 PM   #97 
                          - If the person it's aimed at is Jewish, then it's antisemitic...  Violet_Crumble   Feb-04-10 01:59 PM   #102 
                             - it's not antisemitic - both the UN and Goldstone use his ethnic identity to lend credibility  shira   Feb-05-10 07:42 AM   #104 
                                - How can one not be while the other is? That makes no sense at all...  Violet_Crumble   Feb-05-10 02:21 PM   #113 
                                   - Deleted message  Name removed   Feb-06-10 12:46 PM   #119 
                                      - You still haven't explained how one is antisemitic while the other isn't...  Violet_Crumble   Feb-06-10 04:39 PM   #124 
                 - By the same token...  LeftishBrit   Feb-03-10 05:43 PM   #79 
                    - Dershowitz wrote a 49 page paper, all substantive criticism. He bases his outrage against Goldstone  shira   Feb-03-10 05:54 PM   #81 
                    - Denouncing your opponents as "evil, evil people" tends not to work too well  Ken Burch   Feb-03-10 11:59 PM   #83 
                    - Just curious, but do you consider his attack on Goldstone to be a bit antisemitic?  Violet_Crumble   Feb-04-10 12:55 AM   #88 
                       - Kick for LB n/t  Violet_Crumble   Feb-04-10 04:00 AM   #91 
                       - I think it stops short of antisemitism here...  LeftishBrit   Feb-04-10 07:49 AM   #93 
                          - Thanks. I disagree coz he said a bit more than just calling Goldstone a traitor...  Violet_Crumble   Feb-04-10 01:48 PM   #100 
  - Tony Judt: We Jews should be very proud of Richard Goldstone.  Douglas Carpenter   Feb-03-10 05:14 PM   #76 
  - Judt? Great scholarship. Who's next, Shlaim or Finkelstein?  shira   Feb-03-10 06:29 PM   #82 
     - Doug can't see what yr saying. He's had you on ignore for ages...  Violet_Crumble   Feb-04-10 12:58 AM   #89 
     - yes, and I don't take someone off ignore (there is only one on it) just to see what they said to me  Douglas Carpenter   Feb-04-10 05:05 AM   #92 
     - It doesn't matter whether he sees it or not, he's posting many articles from bigots  shira   Feb-04-10 01:18 PM   #98 
        - No, he's not. Anyway, you've posted articles from bigots...  Violet_Crumble   Feb-04-10 01:54 PM   #101 
           - Deleted message  Name removed   Feb-05-10 07:54 AM   #105 
           - Deleted message  Name removed   Feb-05-10 02:37 PM   #114 
           - deleted  Violet_Crumble   Feb-06-10 03:49 AM   #118 
           - Finkelstein, Ben White, etc... are bigoted haters and please show me where I've posted from bigots  shira   Feb-06-10 12:57 PM   #120 
              - Are you going to address the article instead of shooting the messenger by association?  Violet_Crumble   Feb-06-10 02:28 PM   #123 
     - I dislike Finkelstein and consider him mean-spirited, essentially RW and at least bordering on  LeftishBrit   Feb-05-10 12:36 PM   #109 
        - Norman Finkelstein's exact words about Irving were, "Personally I don't like him. I think he is a  Douglas Carpenter   Feb-05-10 04:00 PM   #115 
           - I'm going to see the film next week in NYC, I admire him a great deal.  Jefferson23   Feb-05-10 09:50 PM   #116 
              - I do too although it is true that he is a bit hyper and can be a little over the top at times  Douglas Carpenter   Feb-05-10 10:48 PM   #117 
  - Which also acts like a dog-whistle "din rodef" among the orthodox settlers: Justified murder.  Poll_Blind   Feb-08-10 11:15 AM   #125 
  - The Dersh Man, doin' the best he can...to make the world a better place.  Jim Sagle   Feb-10-10 01:11 PM   #126 
  - Dershowitz Explains Critical Goldstone Remark  Jefferson23   Feb-15-10 10:53 AM   #127 
 

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