Violet_Crumble
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Thu Feb-04-10 01:48 PM
Response to Reply #93 |
| 100. Thanks. I disagree coz he said a bit more than just calling Goldstone a traitor... |
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I went back and reread it, and if what he said about it being like a Jew had written the Protocols and focusing on his last name and saying that he's using his last name to defame the Jewish people, then it's very ugly and focusing far too much in a negative way on someone being Jewish. I read somewhere last night that Dershy was now backtracking over what he said in that interview and had said he hadn't meant to call Goldstone a 'mosa' (don't know if I spelt it right but it's a word that has a really dark meaning), but thought the interviewer was asking him if he thought Mr Goldstone was a 'monster'...
All in all, Dershy is a really nasty individual who seems to revel in engaging in hysterical and hyperbolic attacks on other people...
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| -Dershowitz: Goldstone is a traitor to the Jewish people |
Scurrilous |
Jan-31-10 11:35 AM |
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Dershowitz is and always has been a self-serving piece of crap |
Vinnie From Indy |
Jan-31-10 11:45 AM |
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Deshowitz is engaging in anti-semitism |
TomClash |
Jan-31-10 11:57 AM |
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Screw the ad hominum attacks, Counselor. Are Goldstone's contentions valid and true? |
no_hypocrisy |
Jan-31-10 12:03 PM |
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they're not valid and true....they're willful distortions and here is the latest example |
shira |
Jan-31-10 01:36 PM |
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LOL, CAMERA! the pro-israeli group |
Tripmann |
Jan-31-10 01:44 PM |
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(edited) CAMERA nailed this one. Look at UNITAR's work and Mr. Hamada's testimony |
shira |
Jan-31-10 01:52 PM |
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I hope you understand shira |
Tripmann |
Jan-31-10 02:00 PM |
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if you're a true believer, no amount of evidence will be enough for you |
shira |
Jan-31-10 02:07 PM |
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When yr a True Beleiver, the most idiotic bullshit becomes *evidence*... |
Violet_Crumble |
Feb-01-10 12:59 AM |
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Btselem's Jessica Montell & Yael Stein say Goldstone's main conclusion is nonsense |
shira |
Feb-02-10 11:08 AM |
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Gosh, I hope Israel drops the nonsense charges against those soldiers!1 ! |
Violet_Crumble |
Feb-02-10 01:39 PM |
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claiming some of Israel's troops were careless and claiming they were ordered to punish Gazans.... |
shira |
Feb-02-10 02:51 PM |
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Why are you still making false claims about montell? |
Violet_Crumble |
Feb-02-10 06:30 PM |
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no false claims.....Yael Stein went even further and was more explicit, so why are you pretending... |
shira |
Feb-02-10 06:53 PM |
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The quote was taken out of context |
Violet_Crumble |
Feb-02-10 07:29 PM |
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no it wasn't, and Yael Stein's comment just confirms exactly what I quoted - why pretend otherwise? |
shira |
Feb-02-10 07:37 PM |
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Anyone with a basic level of comprehension can see it was taken out of context |
Violet_Crumble |
Feb-02-10 09:47 PM |
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Could you please post that second quote in its full context with a link? |
Violet_Crumble |
Feb-03-10 01:08 AM |
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look at the end of the article.... |
shira |
Feb-03-10 03:59 AM |
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As I suspected, there's no context in that snippet... |
Violet_Crumble |
Feb-03-10 04:58 AM |
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I can't be held responsible for your denial |
shira |
Feb-03-10 05:02 AM |
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Yeah, I'm denying you the chance to derail the discussion... |
Violet_Crumble |
Feb-03-10 05:13 AM |
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no derailment at all - the facts prove Dershowitz's allegations against Goldstone are on target |
shira |
Feb-03-10 05:26 AM |
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No, you replied to my post with nonsensical rubbish... |
Violet_Crumble |
Feb-03-10 05:36 AM |
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the thread is based on #3 and you derailed it - don't deny it |
shira |
Feb-03-10 03:23 PM |
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Are you for fucking real?? |
Violet_Crumble |
Feb-04-10 12:35 AM |
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I can't say your denial is a surprise |
shira |
Feb-04-10 12:17 PM |
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I know. I always deny it when complete lies are told about me... |
Violet_Crumble |
Feb-04-10 01:33 PM |
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would it help if I proved Ben White was a hateful POS? |
shira |
Feb-05-10 08:20 AM |
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It'd help if someone who was rational and not a lunatic did so... |
Violet_Crumble |
Feb-05-10 02:12 PM |
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it would help if you were honest |
shira |
Feb-06-10 01:12 PM |
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I always am - sometimes far too bluntly so... |
Violet_Crumble |
Feb-06-10 02:01 PM |
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what I find most interesting is how she managed to |
azurnoir |
Feb-05-10 08:36 AM |
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it's not hard googling haredi, settlers, violet and doing a few minutes research |
shira |
Feb-05-10 10:44 AM |
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aha lol n/t |
azurnoir |
Feb-05-10 01:03 PM |
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I was impressed how she didn't even bother reading what she posted a link to... |
Violet_Crumble |
Feb-05-10 02:13 PM |
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Feb-01-10 04:59 AM |
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Er...no...CAMERA is not "the pro-Israeli group". |
Ken Burch |
Feb-01-10 07:38 PM |
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CAMERA is so loony that they attacked Spielberg's rabidly pro-Israeli film Munich - a film praised |
Douglas Carpenter |
Feb-03-10 07:26 AM |
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so that must go for what Goldstone had to say about Palestnian |
azurnoir |
Jan-31-10 02:03 PM |
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you mean rocket fire by Palestinian groups? Hamas just being one of many? |
shira |
Jan-31-10 02:10 PM |
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So the part about the rocket is not credible either? n/t |
azurnoir |
Jan-31-10 02:39 PM |
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That is what i have to laugh at Azurnoir, |
Tripmann |
Jan-31-10 02:58 PM |
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(edited) compare Goldstone to his main witness and to the UNITAR investigation he ordered |
shira |
Jan-31-10 03:54 PM |
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Anyone who thinks Dershowitz's hatred and ugliness is okay is as loony as he is... |
Violet_Crumble |
Feb-01-10 01:05 AM |
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UN find challenges Israeli version of attack on civilian building in Gaza war |
Violet_Crumble |
Feb-02-10 05:45 AM |
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see post #11 re: Goldstone's claim that IDF hit factory to deny sustenance to Gaza population |
shira |
Feb-02-10 11:12 AM |
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Did you bother reading the article I posted? It appears not... |
Violet_Crumble |
Feb-02-10 01:47 PM |
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Goldstone lied when he claimed there was no reason militarily for Israel to strike at the mill |
shira |
Feb-02-10 02:58 PM |
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The UN found a shell that disproved the IDF story |
Violet_Crumble |
Feb-02-10 07:35 PM |
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Goldstone suppressed evidence that at the very least shows legit military actions in that area |
shira |
Feb-02-10 07:59 PM |
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According to you and that bunch of liars at camera |
Violet_Crumble |
Feb-02-10 09:57 PM |
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facts don't lie - Goldstone ignored his own sources so that he could villify Israel |
shira |
Feb-03-10 04:01 AM |
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You and CAMERA saying something doesn't make it a fact... |
Violet_Crumble |
Feb-03-10 05:03 AM |
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so UNITAR and the public testimony from Mr. Hamada to Goldstone....don't count as facts? |
shira |
Feb-03-10 05:06 AM |
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What counts as a fact is the IDF's claim was shown to be false... |
Violet_Crumble |
Feb-03-10 05:15 AM |
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so you derailed the thread....the OP is about Dersh attacking Goldstone and his made-up facts |
shira |
Feb-03-10 05:30 AM |
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No I didn't. Are you denying the bomb exists? |
Violet_Crumble |
Feb-03-10 05:38 AM |
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You clearly did. And how do you know the bomb exists? Have you seen it? |
shira |
Feb-03-10 03:03 PM |
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No I fucking well didn't. Are you denying the bomb exists? |
Violet_Crumble |
Feb-04-10 12:37 AM |
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Changing the subject-again |
azurnoir |
Feb-01-10 11:03 PM |
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Oh, piffle. |
aquart |
Jan-31-10 12:12 PM |
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"Jews" are not a gestalt entity; Goldstone did not document his own war crimes. |
Donald Ian Rankin |
Feb-01-10 06:13 AM |
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Dersh goes for the usual default position |
azurnoir |
Jan-31-10 12:15 PM |
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Alan Dershowitz is a crypto-nazi! |
IndianaGreen |
Jan-31-10 12:24 PM |
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Good lord, they don't mince their words! |
LeftishBrit |
Jan-31-10 12:49 PM |
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Is calling Dershy a nutjob mudslinging? |
Violet_Crumble |
Feb-01-10 02:30 AM |
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My contempt for Dershowitz began nearly as soon as I became aware of him |
blueworld |
Jan-31-10 12:49 PM |
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"Goldstone is an evil, evil man." He had to say that word twice, lol |
Jefferson23 |
Jan-31-10 06:43 PM |
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"Dershowitz is a despicable man who opposes the left and supports the settlers." |
bemildred |
Feb-01-10 11:15 PM |
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the personal attacks on Goldstone are really uncalled for. |
cqo_000 |
Feb-02-10 06:27 AM |
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Yeah, it's nothing more than bullying... |
Violet_Crumble |
Feb-02-10 06:42 AM |
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We'll probably see increased attacks on goldstone rather than the report itself |
Tripmann |
Feb-02-10 06:44 AM |
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Dershowitz, Jan 2010: Case against the Goldstone Report (49 pages) |
shira |
Feb-02-10 08:37 AM |
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Ami Isseroff (ProgressiveZionism) beat Dersh to the punch last May '09 |
shira |
Feb-02-10 11:02 AM |
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Dershowitz words, "a traitor against the Jewish people " implies that a good Jew, a non-traitorous |
Douglas Carpenter |
Feb-02-10 11:54 PM |
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wrong, Doug - as you can see above, the leaders of Btselem and BreakingTheSilence don't buy into.... |
shira |
Feb-03-10 03:42 AM |
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No, Doug's right. You didn't even try to argue *why* such attitudes aren't antisemitic... |
Violet_Crumble |
Feb-03-10 05:19 AM |
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regarding the antisemitic implications... |
shira |
Feb-03-10 05:38 AM |
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Yr denying that what Dershy said was antisemitic?? |
Violet_Crumble |
Feb-03-10 05:43 AM |
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no, it's not.....Goldstone's lies are an attack on Jews, in the interests of Hamas, Iran, etc.. |
shira |
Feb-03-10 06:25 AM |
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You still haven't explained how what Dershy said wasn't antisemitic... |
Violet_Crumble |
Feb-03-10 01:29 PM |
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be very clear - what is antisemitic about Dersh's attack on Goldstone? |
shira |
Feb-03-10 03:01 PM |
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It's stunning how that sensitivity to antisemitism you have totally dries up all of a sudden... |
Violet_Crumble |
Feb-04-10 12:42 AM |
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if Dersh had written that about haters like Gilad Atzmon or Israel Shahak, both Jews.... |
shira |
Feb-04-10 01:05 PM |
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What?? It'd be antisemitic no matter which individual it's aimed at... |
Violet_Crumble |
Feb-04-10 02:03 PM |
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Shira... |
LeftishBrit |
Feb-03-10 05:39 PM |
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LB, I seriously can't believe you asked that. |
shira |
Feb-03-10 05:51 PM |
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To clarify... |
LeftishBrit |
Feb-04-10 03:59 AM |
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no...there is legit condemnation and criticism of OCL and then there is demonization |
shira |
Feb-04-10 01:08 PM |
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considering Mr.Goldstone is after all a Zionist-Jew with an impressive judicial record |
Douglas Carpenter |
Feb-03-10 05:52 AM |
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Little things like that get ignored in favour of shrieking insults about him... |
Violet_Crumble |
Feb-03-10 06:04 AM |
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LOL...predictable, you're making an appeal to authority and not judging the report on its merits |
shira |
Feb-03-10 06:28 AM |
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No, I'm having my say about fucking hateful morons who personally attack Goldstone... |
Violet_Crumble |
Feb-03-10 01:38 PM |
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you don't get it, there's nothing antisemitic about Dersh's remarks against Goldstone |
shira |
Feb-03-10 05:40 PM |
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Of course what he said was antisemitic... |
Violet_Crumble |
Feb-04-10 12:51 AM |
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so if Dersh wrote the same of Gilad Atzmon, that would be antisemitic to you? |
shira |
Feb-04-10 01:12 PM |
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If the person it's aimed at is Jewish, then it's antisemitic... |
Violet_Crumble |
Feb-04-10 01:59 PM |
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it's not antisemitic - both the UN and Goldstone use his ethnic identity to lend credibility |
shira |
Feb-05-10 07:42 AM |
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How can one not be while the other is? That makes no sense at all... |
Violet_Crumble |
Feb-05-10 02:21 PM |
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Feb-06-10 12:46 PM |
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You still haven't explained how one is antisemitic while the other isn't... |
Violet_Crumble |
Feb-06-10 04:39 PM |
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By the same token... |
LeftishBrit |
Feb-03-10 05:43 PM |
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Dershowitz wrote a 49 page paper, all substantive criticism. He bases his outrage against Goldstone |
shira |
Feb-03-10 05:54 PM |
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Denouncing your opponents as "evil, evil people" tends not to work too well |
Ken Burch |
Feb-03-10 11:59 PM |
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Just curious, but do you consider his attack on Goldstone to be a bit antisemitic? |
Violet_Crumble |
Feb-04-10 12:55 AM |
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Kick for LB n/t |
Violet_Crumble |
Feb-04-10 04:00 AM |
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I think it stops short of antisemitism here... |
LeftishBrit |
Feb-04-10 07:49 AM |
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Thanks. I disagree coz he said a bit more than just calling Goldstone a traitor... |
Violet_Crumble |
Feb-04-10 01:48 PM |
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Tony Judt: We Jews should be very proud of Richard Goldstone. |
Douglas Carpenter |
Feb-03-10 05:14 PM |
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Judt? Great scholarship. Who's next, Shlaim or Finkelstein? |
shira |
Feb-03-10 06:29 PM |
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Doug can't see what yr saying. He's had you on ignore for ages... |
Violet_Crumble |
Feb-04-10 12:58 AM |
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yes, and I don't take someone off ignore (there is only one on it) just to see what they said to me |
Douglas Carpenter |
Feb-04-10 05:05 AM |
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It doesn't matter whether he sees it or not, he's posting many articles from bigots |
shira |
Feb-04-10 01:18 PM |
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No, he's not. Anyway, you've posted articles from bigots... |
Violet_Crumble |
Feb-04-10 01:54 PM |
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Feb-05-10 07:54 AM |
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Feb-05-10 02:37 PM |
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Violet_Crumble |
Feb-06-10 03:49 AM |
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Finkelstein, Ben White, etc... are bigoted haters and please show me where I've posted from bigots |
shira |
Feb-06-10 12:57 PM |
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Are you going to address the article instead of shooting the messenger by association? |
Violet_Crumble |
Feb-06-10 02:28 PM |
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I dislike Finkelstein and consider him mean-spirited, essentially RW and at least bordering on |
LeftishBrit |
Feb-05-10 12:36 PM |
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Norman Finkelstein's exact words about Irving were, "Personally I don't like him. I think he is a |
Douglas Carpenter |
Feb-05-10 04:00 PM |
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I'm going to see the film next week in NYC, I admire him a great deal. |
Jefferson23 |
Feb-05-10 09:50 PM |
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I do too although it is true that he is a bit hyper and can be a little over the top at times |
Douglas Carpenter |
Feb-05-10 10:48 PM |
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Which also acts like a dog-whistle "din rodef" among the orthodox settlers: Justified murder. |
Poll_Blind |
Feb-08-10 11:15 AM |
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The Dersh Man, doin' the best he can...to make the world a better place. |
Jim Sagle |
Feb-10-10 01:11 PM |
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Dershowitz Explains Critical Goldstone Remark |
Jefferson23 |
Feb-15-10 10:53 AM |
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