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Right-Wing Flame War! (LGF!!1!)
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"Charles Johnson has been writing a blog for almost as long as the word blog has existed. A bearish, gentle-voiced, ponytailed man who for three decades enjoyed a successful career as a jazz guitarist accompanying the likes of Al Jarreau and Stanley Clarke, Johnson has always had a geeks penchant for self-education, and in that spirit he cultivated a side interest, and ultimately an expertise, in writing computer code. His Web log, which he named Little Green Footballs (a private joke whose derivation he has always refused to divulge), was begun in February 2001 mostly as a way to share advice and information with fellow code jockeys his approach was similar in outlook, if vastly larger in its reach, to the guiding spirit in the days of ham radio. His final post on Sept. 10, 2001, was titled Placement of Web Page Elements. It read, in its entirety: Heres a well-executed academic study of where users expect things to be on a typical Web page. It linked to, well, exactly what it said. The post attracted one comment, which read, in its entirety, Fantastic article."

The next 24 hours would transform his blog and, ultimately, his career. I grew up in Hawaii, Johnson told me recently when we met in his Los Angeles home, but I was born in New York. After I moved away at age 10, I would read the news stories about how the World Trade Center towers were getting closer to finishing. When they were attacked that day, that really hit home for me in a way that reached back into my childhood. Ive always been kind of a voracious reader, and when I saw the attack happen, I was probably one of the first ones to make a connection with Osama bin Laden, whod declared war on America a few years earlier. It was like a huge light bulb going on over my head about this stuff, and I wanted to really learn about it, so I started posting everything I could find.

Those searching the Web for information on the attackers soon found Johnson. Many of us felt guilty that we didnt even know who had invaded this country, says Pamela Geller, an early Little Green Footballs reader and a former associate publisher at The New York Observer, who now writes a blog of her own called Atlas Shrugs. The media had been, I think, somewhat derelict in terms of describing our mortal enemy. Charles Johnson was covering the global jihad in an in-depth and comprehensive fashion that nobody else was. Thats where I was getting my best news, from Little Green Footballs.

By virtue of his willingness to do and share research, his personal embrace of a hawkish, populist anger and his extraordinary Web savvy, Johnson quickly turned Little Green Footballs (or L.G.F., as it is commonly known) into one of the most popular personal sites on the Web, and himself the very model of a Los Angeles bohemian into an avatar of the American right wing. With a daily audience in the hundreds of thousands, the career sideman had moved to the center of the stage.

Now it is eight years later, and Johnson, who is 56, sits in the ashes of an epic flame war that has destroyed his relationships with nearly every one of his old right-wing allies. People who have pledged their lives to fighting Islamic extremism, when asked about Charles Johnson now, unsheathe a word they do not throw around lightly: evil. Glenn Beck has taken the time to denounce him on air and at length. Johnson himself (Mad King Charles is one of his most frequent, and most printable, Web nicknames) has used his technical know-how to block thousands of his former readers not just from commenting on his site but even, in many cases, from viewing its home page. He recently moved into a gated community, partly out of fear, he said, that the venom directed at him in cyberspace might jump its boundaries and lead someone to do him physical harm. He has turned forcefully against Fox News, Rush Limbaugh, Sarah Palin, nearly every conservative icon you can name. And answering the question of what, or who, got to Charles Johnson has itself become a kind of boom genre on the Internet."

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  -Right-Wing Flame War! (LGF!!1!) Scurrilous  Jan-24-10 08:13 PM   #0 
  - This right wing movement proves over and over again that  MadMaddie   Jan-24-10 08:25 PM   #1 
  - I find the Kreestian right even more dangerous than the muslims  HillbillyBob   Jan-24-10 10:05 PM   #4 
  - I have read two full pages on the NYT and still can't figure out what  WCGreen   Jan-24-10 08:56 PM   #2 
  - Short version:  Scurrilous   Jan-24-10 09:08 PM   #3 
  - The term "Little Green Footballs" has been used for dexedrine capsules.  Ken Burch   Jan-24-10 10:41 PM   #5 
  - Seems like Charles "blows with the wind"  azurnoir   Jan-24-10 11:52 PM   #6 
  - Damn, one less site for some here to look to for finding compatible values and supportive  ConsAreLiars   Jan-25-10 01:37 AM   #7 
  - Somehow I knew that the poster you were referring to  shaayecanaan   Jan-25-10 04:45 AM   #8 
     - would the 2 of you (or anyone else) like to really discuss RW/LW views on I/P?  shira   Jan-25-10 06:02 AM   #9 
        - part II  shira   Jan-25-10 07:48 AM   #10 
           - I don't think that one's opinions on I/P in isolation are enough to label one as RW or LW  LeftishBrit   Jan-25-10 12:53 PM   #11 
              - I agree with most of that...  shira   Jan-25-10 02:41 PM   #12 
                 - Of course you would. LB was incredibly understated in her criticism of you...  Violet_Crumble   Jan-25-10 03:37 PM   #13 
                 - why do you say you're not a progressive, that you're a left winger?  shira   Jan-25-10 06:50 PM   #15 
                    - Because the term 'progressive' seems to be a bit of a wanky American term....  Violet_Crumble   Jan-25-10 08:18 PM   #18 
                       - why exactly is 'progressive' a wanky term in your opinion?  shira   Jan-26-10 03:56 AM   #22 
                          - Because it's fucking wanky, that's why...  Violet_Crumble   Jan-26-10 04:18 AM   #27 
                          - you're avoiding my questions with your obfuscation and personal attacks  shira   Jan-26-10 04:25 AM   #28 
                             - Says the person who can't answer questions it's asked...  Violet_Crumble   Jan-26-10 04:31 AM   #30 
                                - and you're still avoiding the questions  shira   Jan-26-10 04:39 AM   #33 
                                   - No, I'm not playing yr stupid control-freak games, that's all...  Violet_Crumble   Jan-26-10 04:44 AM   #34 
                                      - last chance...  shira   Jan-26-10 04:48 AM   #36 
                                         - You really don't bother paying attention to what's said to you, do you?  Violet_Crumble   Jan-26-10 04:54 AM   #37 
                                         - so you'll answer me once I answer you?  shira   Jan-26-10 04:59 AM   #38 
                                            - No, that's not what I said...  Violet_Crumble   Jan-26-10 05:02 AM   #40 
                                            -'re so predictable  shira   Jan-26-10 05:07 AM   #42 
                                            - Yeah, I'm always predictable about making sure people aren't twisting what I say...  Violet_Crumble   Jan-26-10 05:11 AM   #43 
                                         - Actually, those 'questions' range from plain weird to outright bizarre...  Violet_Crumble   Jan-26-10 05:32 AM   #45 
                                            - thanks for answering #2  shira   Jan-26-10 05:45 AM   #46 
                                               - No, don't recall slamming anyone...  Violet_Crumble   Jan-26-10 06:02 AM   #47 
                                               - you called the vast majority of progressive, pro-Israel leftist democratic politicos "stupid"  shira   Jan-26-10 06:09 PM   #53 
                                               - No, that's not what I said. Why do you insist on twisting what people say?  Violet_Crumble   Jan-27-10 12:22 AM   #57 
                                               - yeah, right  shira   Jan-27-10 04:27 AM   #62 
                                               - Answer the question you got asked. It's right in the title of the post you replied to...  Violet_Crumble   Jan-27-10 04:37 AM   #63 
                          - to second VC  Djinn   Jan-31-10 01:07 AM   #87 
                             - so LW congressmen and senators in the USA are really RW'ers due to their views on economic issues?  shira   Jan-31-10 04:54 AM   #89 
                                - not a "true believer"  Djinn   Jan-31-10 06:43 AM   #91 
                                - you're attributing false views of Hamas to me  shira   Jan-31-10 08:11 AM   #95 
                                   - what I believe is based on knowing people who live there  Djinn   Jan-31-10 08:15 AM   #97 
                                      - so next time you're in Gaza...  shira   Jan-31-10 08:27 AM   #99 
                                         - I've seen you attack the only poster here who has family in Gaza...  Violet_Crumble   Feb-01-10 01:12 AM   #105 
                                - By the standards of many countries, they are at any rate not LW  LeftishBrit   Jan-31-10 07:27 AM   #93 
                                   - thanks - back to the topic - what makes most Democrats views of I/P not so leftwing?  shira   Jan-31-10 07:55 AM   #94 
                                      - I simply don't understand the point of some of your questions...  LeftishBrit   Jan-31-10 08:14 AM   #96 
                                         - (edited) point of the Goldstone question...  shira   Jan-31-10 08:18 AM   #98 
                                            - Hard to label internationally...  LeftishBrit   Jan-31-10 11:27 AM   #100 
                                               - thanks, this is very helpful  shira   Jan-31-10 11:39 AM   #101 
                                               - Errmmm  LeftishBrit   Jan-31-10 12:40 PM   #102 
                                               - thanks again  shira   Jan-31-10 01:28 PM   #103 
                                               - Just to clarify that of course I realize that LePen is not British or American! I was citing him as  LeftishBrit   Jan-31-10 04:25 PM   #104 
                                                  - LB, see if you agree with me that Goldstone has no use for Israel's left  shira   Feb-01-10 03:09 PM   #107 
                 - Comments...  LeftishBrit   Jan-25-10 06:12 PM   #14 
                    - Deleted message  Name removed   Jan-25-10 07:08 PM   #16 
                    - Why do you keep spamming this forum with links to some stupid blog?  Violet_Crumble   Jan-25-10 08:21 PM   #19 
                       - that 2nd link on WilliamBapthorpe is a perfect example  shira   Jan-26-10 03:39 AM   #21 
                          - Uh, you didn't answer the question I aqsked you.  Violet_Crumble   Jan-26-10 04:05 AM   #23 
                             - but you say you're against anti-Jewish bigotry  shira   Jan-26-10 04:07 AM   #24 
                                - And you still refuse to answer the question I asked you...  Violet_Crumble   Jan-26-10 04:10 AM   #25 
                                   - i'm against racism and bigotry and so is CiFWatch, that's why  shira   Jan-26-10 04:17 AM   #26 
                                      - I know plenty of places that are against bigotry...  Violet_Crumble   Jan-26-10 04:26 AM   #29 
                                         - do you find anything wrong with these comments...  shira   Jan-26-10 04:33 AM   #31 
                                            - I've got no fucking idea and even less interest in knowing what that's from..  Violet_Crumble   Jan-26-10 04:36 AM   #32 
                                               - those are comments right off CiF and that poster was not banned  shira   Jan-26-10 04:45 AM   #35 
                                                  - What the fuck do you want anyone here to do about it? This is DU, not CiF...  Violet_Crumble   Jan-26-10 04:59 AM   #39 
                                                  - at least admit that's bigotry CiF needs to act more seriously against  shira   Jan-26-10 05:05 AM   #41 
                                                  - What bit of me not being interested in the comments at CiF or that blog are you not getting?  Violet_Crumble   Jan-26-10 05:13 AM   #44 
                    - wrote and asked....  pelsar   Jan-26-10 01:00 AM   #20 
                    - Thanks - interesting points!  LeftishBrit   Jan-26-10 02:19 PM   #50 
                       - religion can be "passive"....  pelsar   Jan-26-10 11:34 PM   #56 
                    - response to LB  shira   Jan-26-10 08:46 AM   #48 
                       - A few points  LeftishBrit   Jan-26-10 02:07 PM   #49 
                          - self delete  shira   Jan-26-10 02:57 PM   #51 
                          - on your two points....  shira   Jan-26-10 02:59 PM   #52 
                          - Are you for real? Of course there's bigotry against Muslims at CiF!  Violet_Crumble   Jan-27-10 12:28 AM   #58 
                          - then show me please  shira   Jan-27-10 04:11 AM   #61 
                             - What's this?  Violet_Crumble   Jan-27-10 04:41 AM   #64 
                                - link?  shira   Jan-27-10 04:57 AM   #65 
                                   - Here...  Violet_Crumble   Jan-27-10 05:02 AM   #66 
                                      - thanks, that's pretty bad.....looks like the mods are busier on I/P threads where it's more heated  shira   Jan-27-10 05:09 AM   #67 
                                         - No, I'm not going to waste time searching for things on another site...  Violet_Crumble   Jan-27-10 05:13 AM   #68 
                                            - well, if/when you ever find an article on CiF that is anti-Muslim or racist against any group...  shira   Jan-27-10 03:40 PM   #70 
                                               - I just said I'm not going to go looking...  Violet_Crumble   Jan-27-10 08:09 PM   #73 
                                               - then don't  shira   Jan-28-10 04:35 AM   #75 
                                               - That's what I've been telling you for the past few posts. Glad you finally got the hint...  Violet_Crumble   Jan-28-10 04:52 AM   #77 
                                               - your views on I/P are not mainstream leftwing in either the USA or Israel  shira   Jan-28-10 05:47 AM   #79 
                                               - As I've told you repeatedly, you've got no clue what my views are...  Violet_Crumble   Jan-28-10 05:55 AM   #80 
                                               - your views are counter to the ADL and most voting democrats/leftists in the USA and Israel  shira   Jan-28-10 05:59 AM   #81 
                                               - As I've told you repeatedly, you've got no clue what my views are...  Violet_Crumble   Jan-28-10 06:01 AM   #82 
                                               - ROFL  Djinn   Jan-31-10 01:28 AM   #88 
                                               - please explain what's so RW about the mainstream left in both the USA and Israel  shira   Jan-31-10 04:57 AM   #90 
                                               - go do politics 101  Djinn   Jan-31-10 06:51 AM   #92 
                                               - Good luck trying to get any sense out of it...  Violet_Crumble   Feb-01-10 01:19 AM   #106 
                          - Taking your challenge...  LeftishBrit   Jan-27-10 05:31 PM   #71 
                             - thanks, see post #67  shira   Jan-28-10 04:09 AM   #74 
                                - One would have to define an 'anti-Muslim' article  LeftishBrit   Jan-28-10 01:02 PM   #83 
                                   - that article isn't hateful or anti-Muslim bigotry  shira   Jan-28-10 01:20 PM   #84 
                                      - It isn't anti-Muslim; but it is defending aggression against Iraq  LeftishBrit   Jan-28-10 04:25 PM   #85 
                          - I always figured your reasonableness schtick...  shaayecanaan   Jan-26-10 10:57 PM   #54 
                          - come on...i'm still around....  pelsar   Jan-26-10 11:16 PM   #55 
                          - I think you've been "dethroned"  azurnoir   Jan-27-10 09:21 AM   #69 
                          - Dont know...  shaayecanaan   Jan-28-10 04:42 AM   #76 
                             - why dont you reverse it....  pelsar   Jan-28-10 05:29 AM   #78 
                          - You would be wrong!  LeftishBrit   Jan-27-10 03:11 AM   #60 
                             - Classical philology  shaayecanaan   Jan-27-10 06:20 PM   #72 
                          - I just wanted to commend you on how patient and friendly you are to Shira...  Violet_Crumble   Jan-27-10 12:39 AM   #59 
  - A lot of bad things happened in DU after 9-11 that let to an exodus to LGF  IndianaGreen   Jan-25-10 07:27 PM   #17 
  - This is a very interesting article  varelse   Jan-29-10 09:25 PM   #86 

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