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Fri Jan-08-10 02:17 AM
Response to Reply #45 |
| 46. actually the word use is correct... (i never checked) |
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a person who argues to defend or justify some policy or institution; "an apologist for capital punishment"
it just "sounds" like one is "saying i'm sorry, didn't mean it, but...." etc- sort of a "wimpy agreement with policies-but thats not the actual definition. i can be clearly defined as an israeli apologist, an american apologist, a hamas apologist (some of their policies i agree with), etc
for me it just sounds "apologetic", which is why I don't like its use, but its clearly the correct term.
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| -Robert Fisk’s World: Walls never work: in the Middle East or in Ireland |
IndianaGreen |
Jan-01-10 07:44 PM |
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Any article, no matter how insightful, that suggests Israel is on the wrong track gets put on |
ConsAreLiars |
Jan-02-10 02:11 AM |
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just curious..... |
pelsar |
Jan-02-10 10:25 AM |
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And you do? The only thing you know is to apologize for Israel's racist policies |
IndianaGreen |
Jan-02-10 10:50 AM |
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well yes i do.... |
pelsar |
Jan-03-10 06:25 AM |
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I think he meant to say you were an apoligist(that is a defender) for Israeli security policies |
Ken Burch |
Jan-08-10 02:10 AM |
#45 |
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actually the word use is correct... (i never checked) |
pelsar |
Jan-08-10 02:17 AM |
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If there's one thing I can barely picture you saying(at least politically) |
Ken Burch |
Jan-08-10 02:38 AM |
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eg, in Socrates's "Apology" he never says "I'm sorry" |
Recursion |
Jan-14-10 02:18 PM |
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One phrase tells you everything that you need to know. |
aranthus |
Jan-04-10 01:06 PM |
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I would expect people keep reading past the byline... |
Violet_Crumble |
Jan-06-10 04:44 AM |
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It wasn't a by-line. |
aranthus |
Jan-06-10 10:25 AM |
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also, how can the occupation be illegal? The 4GC sets rules for occupying powers.... |
shira |
Jan-06-10 11:16 AM |
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It can't be for several reasons. |
aranthus |
Jan-06-10 12:11 PM |
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ALL settlers anywhere in Occupied Territories are illegal under international law - This is not even |
Douglas Carpenter |
Jan-07-10 05:00 AM |
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absolute nonsense - as the link provided in post #23 above proves |
shira |
Jan-07-10 05:30 AM |
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Yeah, the settlements are definately illegal under international law... |
Violet_Crumble |
Jan-14-10 12:52 AM |
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Robert Fisk wrote if he were Afghani, he would kill westerners |
shira |
Jan-05-10 06:20 PM |
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If someone had done to us what we did to Iraq or Afghanistan |
IndianaGreen |
Jan-05-10 06:37 PM |
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Fisk didn't call for killing foreign invaders, but any westerners |
shira |
Jan-05-10 06:53 PM |
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You know full well what he meant, but you are spinning it to suit your sick ideology |
IndianaGreen |
Jan-05-10 07:06 PM |
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so Robert Fisk, or any other westerner like yourself would be considered a foreign invader? |
shira |
Jan-05-10 07:11 PM |
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I wouldn't go to any region in Afghanistan after it has been bombed by US |
IndianaGreen |
Jan-05-10 07:14 PM |
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but Western civilians are not 'foreign invading' troops who deserve being blown up, right? |
shira |
Jan-05-10 07:16 PM |
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Do you even remember the lust for blood in America on the aftermath of 9-11? |
IndianaGreen |
Jan-05-10 07:20 PM |
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so? just b/c after 911 some Americans wanted random Muslims killed doesn't make Fisk's views... |
shira |
Jan-05-10 07:29 PM |
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and you had to play the Holocaust card in your newly edited post |
IndianaGreen |
Jan-05-10 08:11 PM |
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It is worse than sad when |
ConsAreLiars |
Jan-06-10 12:53 AM |
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what's worse than sad is those who have fake concerns for human rights and use that to bash/hate |
shira |
Jan-06-10 04:59 AM |
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Shira, please don't wheel out holocaust survivors in relation to palestine. |
Tripmann |
Jan-06-10 07:21 AM |
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And do not forget that Israel was not even involved in that one |
azurnoir |
Jan-06-10 10:47 AM |
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why not? the point is no matter how bad things are, Fisk is wrong sympathizing with a mindset that |
shira |
Jan-06-10 11:01 AM |
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I guess the 'mindset' is lost on you then |
Tripmann |
Jan-06-10 12:57 PM |
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it must be lost on me.....so here are several questions for clarity's sake |
shira |
Jan-06-10 02:27 PM |
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This is very basic stuff shira.... |
Tripmann |
Jan-07-10 05:29 AM |
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so recognizing the right of others to deliberately attack innocents... |
shira |
Jan-07-10 05:36 AM |
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Your attempts to put words in my mouth are laughable shira |
Tripmann |
Jan-07-10 05:51 AM |
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just trying to get it straight |
shira |
Jan-07-10 05:58 AM |
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I stated whether I condone your methods or not. |
Tripmann |
Jan-07-10 06:02 AM |
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i asked for clarity and now you're backing down |
shira |
Jan-07-10 06:36 AM |
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I'm not backing down by no means shira |
Tripmann |
Jan-07-10 07:36 AM |
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to quote you.. |
shira |
Jan-07-10 12:18 PM |
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You seem to be obsessed.. |
Tripmann |
Jan-07-10 04:30 PM |
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Israel is like the man that kicks and abuses a puppy |
IndianaGreen |
Jan-07-10 07:19 PM |
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i dont understand either.... |
pelsar |
Jan-07-10 11:31 PM |
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on second thought and further research...i think i understand..... |
pelsar |
Jan-08-10 12:35 AM |
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You're kinda right pelsar |
Tripmann |
Jan-08-10 06:12 AM |
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your philosophy/attitude assumes the Palestinians are "special" |
pelsar |
Jan-09-10 02:58 AM |
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I don't judge palestinians as 'special'..... |
Tripmann |
Jan-09-10 04:39 AM |
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war and terrorism have its uses.... |
pelsar |
Jan-09-10 05:02 AM |
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But thats exactly what you're doing |
Tripmann |
Jan-09-10 10:27 AM |
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so if you can't defend your position, be more careful with your words next time, admit your mistake, |
shira |
Jan-09-10 11:30 AM |
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LOL, what mistake shira? What part of my position do you need explained once again? |
Tripmann |
Jan-09-10 01:00 PM |
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try responding in full to Pelsar's post #51, okay? |
shira |
Jan-09-10 04:32 PM |
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Try framing it as a question so I can answer it concisely. |
Tripmann |
Jan-09-10 10:16 PM |
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I leave it to you to choose any one question from Pelsar's posts #49 or #51 |
shira |
Jan-10-10 10:59 AM |
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Exactly what I thought... |
Tripmann |
Jan-10-10 11:48 AM |
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okay, here's a question (in bold) based on a few facts... |
shira |
Jan-10-10 01:16 PM |
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What part of... |
Tripmann |
Jan-11-10 04:44 AM |
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one last try |
shira |
Jan-11-10 06:13 AM |
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Wow, you really don't know when to stop digging, do you? |
Tripmann |
Jan-11-10 06:35 AM |
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this is pointless and here's why... |
shira |
Jan-11-10 03:22 PM |
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I don't take issue with your question |
Tripmann |
Jan-11-10 03:56 PM |
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sure you do |
shira |
Jan-11-10 09:21 PM |
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More grandstanding without a straight question |
Tripmann |
Jan-12-10 04:38 AM |
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LOL.... |
shira |
Jan-12-10 05:00 AM |
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Still waiting for that straight question....... |
Tripmann |
Jan-12-10 05:25 AM |
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okay, I'll play along |
shira |
Jan-12-10 05:31 AM |
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I recognise the right of ANY people to resist their oppressor |
Tripmann |
Jan-12-10 05:41 AM |
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so when did that violence suddenly turn into resistance to oppression? please answer |
shira |
Jan-12-10 05:44 AM |
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When the action takens primary function is to resist the oppressor. Chicken and egg stuff shira. |
Tripmann |
Jan-12-10 08:21 AM |
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how do you distinguish b/w action that resists the oppressor and aggressive action? |
shira |
Jan-12-10 12:28 PM |
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You seem to be a bit confused shira |
Tripmann |
Jan-13-10 05:06 AM |
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well, at least you admitted you condemn aggression for aggression's sake |
shira |
Jan-13-10 05:28 AM |
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"What's your evidence for this?" |
Tripmann |
Jan-13-10 08:05 AM |
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on the contrary the history is important.. |
pelsar |
Jan-13-10 01:29 AM |
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That 'obvious point' isn't correct... |
Violet_Crumble |
Jan-13-10 02:08 AM |
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not as far as i know |
pelsar |
Jan-13-10 03:08 AM |
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I'm talking about the First Aliyah... |
Violet_Crumble |
Jan-14-10 01:03 AM |
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d/p |
pelsar |
Jan-15-10 04:38 AM |
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but of course they re going to fight back... |
pelsar |
Jan-15-10 04:38 AM |
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yes that picture is far less than accurate: |
Douglas Carpenter |
Jan-13-10 07:35 AM |
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try again please...and watch the dates.... |
pelsar |
Jan-13-10 11:40 PM |
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Can you list attacks by Arabs on Zionist settlers |
azurnoir |
Jan-13-10 11:45 PM |
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the quote above was made in 1891 |
Douglas Carpenter |
Jan-14-10 06:27 AM |
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why are you shocked? |
pelsar |
Jan-15-10 04:14 AM |
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missing facts WRT Jews and Arabs pre-1948 |
shira |
Jan-15-10 04:40 AM |
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my point is that any usurpation of someone's homeland with the intent of creating a state |
Douglas Carpenter |
Jan-15-10 09:17 AM |
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no..your point was that it was possible via respect to avoid a conflict... |
pelsar |
Jan-20-10 02:21 AM |
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what not to do, if one wants to avoid conflict |
Douglas Carpenter |
Jan-20-10 03:02 AM |
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history, facts, and logic are not important to the irrationally or emotionally compromised |
shira |
Jan-13-10 11:48 AM |
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Again, completely one-sided |
Tripmann |
Jan-14-10 04:52 AM |
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here's a Ray Hanania OP posted just yesterday... |
shira |
Jan-14-10 05:15 AM |
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Thats what you have to reply? An OP in the jpost? |
Tripmann |
Jan-14-10 06:14 AM |
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yeah, it shows how liberals do not recognize the "right" of Hamas, etc.. to terrorize |
shira |
Jan-14-10 12:15 PM |
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Ah yes |
Tripmann |
Jan-15-10 04:52 AM |
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ah, of course |
shira |
Jan-15-10 05:07 AM |
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As you are accusing me of demonising Israel |
Tripmann |
Jan-15-10 07:11 AM |
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Well I think 3 days is enough time to give you |
Tripmann |
Jan-18-10 08:40 AM |
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what's the point carrying on? |
shira |
Jan-18-10 05:31 PM |
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Show me where I said israel intentionally targets innocents. |
Tripmann |
Jan-19-10 05:13 AM |
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first, why did you compare the Israeli defense minister to an SS officer? |
shira |
Jan-19-10 05:35 AM |
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Show me where I said Israel intentionally targets innocents |
Tripmann |
Jan-19-10 06:31 AM |
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put 2 and 2 together |
shira |
Jan-19-10 04:45 PM |
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Show me where I said Israel intentionally targets innocents |
Tripmann |
Jan-20-10 03:31 AM |
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Correction. |
Behind the Aegis |
Jan-15-10 05:08 AM |
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A correction of yr correction... |
Violet_Crumble |
Jan-15-10 06:40 AM |
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Correction. |
Behind the Aegis |
Jan-15-10 07:24 AM |
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Is this the link? |
azurnoir |
Jan-15-10 07:34 AM |
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You have any thing to disprove it? |
Behind the Aegis |
Jan-15-10 07:40 AM |
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Do you? it was your link |
azurnoir |
Jan-15-10 08:01 AM |
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So, nothing? No surprise. |
Behind the Aegis |
Jan-15-10 08:08 AM |
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Yawn interpet as you wish dear |
azurnoir |
Jan-15-10 08:12 AM |
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Once again, nothing. Yawn, indeed. You are nothing if not predictable, |
Behind the Aegis |
Jan-15-10 08:14 AM |
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Yr correction is incorrect... |
Violet_Crumble |
Jan-15-10 01:39 PM |
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And that linked showed it was not. |
Behind the Aegis |
Jan-15-10 01:42 PM |
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the one you fixed 45 minutes or so after I did? n/t |
azurnoir |
Jan-15-10 02:05 PM |
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Here's a suggestion that was given to me to deal with late edits... |
Violet_Crumble |
Jan-15-10 02:47 PM |
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Which link? |
Violet_Crumble |
Jan-15-10 02:06 PM |
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The link I provided demonstrated Gaza is NOT the most densely populated place on earth. |
Behind the Aegis |
Jan-15-10 02:11 PM |
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You made an incorrect claim about the most densely populated areas on earth... |
Violet_Crumble |
Jan-15-10 02:14 PM |
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In your mind perhaps... |
Behind the Aegis |
Jan-15-10 02:19 PM |
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Posted in this thread definately... |
Violet_Crumble |
Jan-15-10 02:36 PM |
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Actually, you're wrong as well. Correcting your correction. |
Behind the Aegis |
Jan-15-10 02:48 PM |
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No. I said nothing about cities. Yr bringing that up now... |
Violet_Crumble |
Jan-15-10 03:54 PM |
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Doesn't matter what you said about cities or not. |
Behind the Aegis |
Jan-15-10 03:56 PM |
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I didn't say anything about cities. Yr the one who did... |
Violet_Crumble |
Jan-15-10 04:01 PM |
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Doesn't matter. |
Behind the Aegis |
Jan-15-10 04:08 PM |
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Yeah, it does as the post you initially replied to was clearly not talking about cities... |
Violet_Crumble |
Jan-15-10 05:36 PM |
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I always heard it was dhaka. np |
Shaktimaan |
Jan-15-10 03:00 PM |
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It is. |
Behind the Aegis |
Jan-15-10 03:04 PM |
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After travelling on a bus last week during the heatwave, I could swear it's Canberra... |
Violet_Crumble |
Jan-15-10 03:59 PM |
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well said. +1 [n/t] |
stranger81 |
Jan-09-10 12:40 PM |
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Before the CIA destabilization began, Afghans treated Westerners as very welcome guests. |
ConsAreLiars |
Jan-07-10 01:54 AM |
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Fisk was speaking from his own experience |
azurnoir |
Jan-06-10 12:21 PM |
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Fisk wrote explicitly about attacking ANY westerner, like himself, not just military personel |
shira |
Jan-06-10 02:31 PM |
#28 |
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Yes Shira he was your right |
azurnoir |
Jan-07-10 07:45 AM |
#39 |
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