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Violet_Crumble Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-19-09 07:32 AM
Response to Reply #75
77. More words for you to learn the definition of - *ad hominem and rational*
Disagreeing with you isn't personally attacking you. You do really need to get a sense of perspective when it comes to the fact that yr opinions aren't facts...

1. I'm not at all sure what yr point is. There's no *official* HRW glossary, and one investigator not using the exact same definition as another in another country is not double-standards at all. Anyway, yr argument seems to be that you want to blame Hamas for basically all civilian deaths. That doesn't make sense seeing as how the IDF used Palestinian civilians as human shields. How does one lot apparently significantly contribute to deaths while the other lot doesn't?

2. No, what the Hamas official said doesn't make the police combatants. Please read the ICRC definition again and what the Hamas official said again, and you'll notice that according to the ICRC definition they weren't combatants at the time they were attacked....
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  -UN probe: evidence of war crimes in Gaza conflict Scurrilous  Sep-15-09 09:36 AM   #0 
  - what a load of garbage  shira   Sep-15-09 10:56 AM   #1 
  - an example of how atrocious this Goldstone report is  shira   Sep-15-09 10:10 PM   #5 
  - one more example  shira   Sep-15-09 10:21 PM   #6 
     - some liveleak vids constitute proof?  azurnoir   Sep-15-09 10:49 PM   #7 
     - you're welcome to ignore clear video evidence all you wish - happy delusions!  shira   Sep-15-09 11:03 PM   #10 
        - So if something's in a video, it must be true?  Violet_Crumble   Sep-16-09 03:29 AM   #16 
           - if you have good reason to suspect the video is false, i'm sure you'll let me know  shira   Sep-16-09 05:13 AM   #18 
              - You just said a video is clear evidence. I'm just taking yr 'logic' to obvious conclusions...  Violet_Crumble   Sep-16-09 06:38 AM   #21 
                 - you're deliberately ignoring credible evidence  shira   Sep-16-09 01:41 PM   #30 
                    - No, the problem is you have no clue about what reputable means...  Violet_Crumble   Sep-16-09 03:39 PM   #35 
     - detailed evidence of Hamas war crimes (human shielding) that the Goldstone commission missed  shira   Sep-15-09 11:03 PM   #9 
        - Colonel Richard Kemp on IDF in Gaza - former Commander of British forces in Afghanistan  shira   Sep-15-09 11:14 PM   #12 
  - I'm betting you haven't even read the report  Violet_Crumble   Sep-16-09 02:52 AM   #14 
     - i've read parts of it as it's nearly 600 pages long  shira   Sep-16-09 05:46 AM   #19 
        - What I'm noticing is yr copying and pasting things from blogs...  Violet_Crumble   Sep-16-09 06:31 AM   #20 
           - i first looked up any and all info. on Hamas human shields because...  shira   Sep-16-09 01:21 PM   #29 
              - How about you get back to everyone when you've read the report in full?  Violet_Crumble   Sep-16-09 03:48 PM   #36 
                 - how about you help me understand why HRW, AI, and the UNHRC use different standards wrt Israel?  shira   Sep-16-09 06:26 PM   #44 
                    - How about you acknowledge and address what I say to you for a change?  Violet_Crumble   Sep-18-09 02:34 AM   #48 
                       - i am - you want me to read the entire report - but it's dishonest and therefore not credible  shira   Sep-18-09 06:36 AM   #54 
                          - Reading something before claiming it's 'dishonest and not credible' is a must-do...  Violet_Crumble   Sep-18-09 04:14 PM   #56 
                             - reading some of it is plenty to know whether it's dishonest and not credible  shira   Sep-18-09 06:50 PM   #58 
                                - Yr only copying bits yr finding from those extremely biased 'pro-Israel' blogs you read...  Violet_Crumble   Sep-18-09 10:27 PM   #60 
                                - even if that's all I do, that doesn't take away from the fact the report is full of shit  shira   Sep-19-09 05:10 AM   #62 
                                   - To judge if something's full of shit, you'd have to read it all to know...  Violet_Crumble   Sep-19-09 05:16 AM   #63 
                                      - that's silly - you can read some of something to know whether it's full of shit  shira   Sep-19-09 05:26 AM   #65 
                                         - No, it's incredibly silly to only read selected bits like you have...  Violet_Crumble   Sep-19-09 05:35 AM   #66 
                                            - even reading selected bits is enough to make conclusions on the overall credibility  shira   Sep-19-09 06:09 AM   #67 
                                               - No, it's incredibly stupid to jump to conclusions without reading it...  Violet_Crumble   Sep-19-09 06:55 AM   #70 
                                                  - if parts of it are completely full of shit, that's usually a tip to objective, rational people.  shira   Sep-19-09 07:05 AM   #71 
                                                  - You haven't shown that any of it is full of shit. You've shown you don't agree with the report...  Violet_Crumble   Sep-19-09 07:14 AM   #73 
                                                  - on the contrary, I have and you are incapable of refuting it rationally....all you do is personally  shira   Sep-19-09 07:24 AM   #75 
                                                  - More words for you to learn the definition of - *ad hominem and rational*  Violet_Crumble   Sep-19-09 07:32 AM   #77 
                                                  - reply  shira   Sep-19-09 07:38 AM   #79 
                                                  - HRW don't have a glossary of official definitions...  Violet_Crumble   Sep-19-09 07:44 AM   #81 
                                                  - even if they did, you'd ignore it like you do the UN glossary of definitions, so what's the point?  shira   Sep-19-09 07:49 AM   #83 
                                                  - Huh? That was a training database for peacekeepers, not an official UN glossary...  Violet_Crumble   Sep-19-09 07:58 AM   #84 
                                                  - so peacekeepers for the UN are to have one definition of human shielding, but that's....  shira   Sep-19-09 07:09 PM   #86 
                                                  - All I did was correct yr false claim that it was an official UN definition...  Violet_Crumble   Sep-19-09 07:25 PM   #88 
                                                  - but it's that definition, what you say is not official, that HRW used in its reports on the LTTE, ..  shira   Sep-19-09 08:30 PM   #89 
                                                  - It's not just that I say it. It's that it's not an official definition...  Violet_Crumble   Sep-19-09 09:00 PM   #90 
                                                  - for something not being an official definition, it's certainly utilized that way by HRW in...  shira   Sep-19-09 09:24 PM   #91 
                                                  - It's not an official definition and it's not utilised that way at all...  Violet_Crumble   Sep-19-09 09:43 PM   #92 
                                                  - it appears you didn't read those HRW reports or the one about the HRW investigator last month  shira   Sep-19-09 10:11 PM   #93 
                                                  - I probably didn't, and don't really understand why I need to...  Violet_Crumble   Sep-19-09 11:55 PM   #94 
                                                  - why didn't you just concede much earlier?  shira   Sep-20-09 05:29 AM   #95 
                                                  - Concede? What do you think this is? A battle or something?  Violet_Crumble   Sep-20-09 07:37 AM   #96 
                                                  - LOL, okay.  shira   Sep-20-09 10:13 AM   #97 
                                                  - Violet...more on that "continuous combat role" by the Gaza 'civilian' police force  shira   Sep-26-09 06:20 AM   #98 
                                - And how many of those 100 internal investigations of abuse were dismissed as baseless?  Violet_Crumble   Sep-19-09 05:21 AM   #64 
                                   - how many convictions do you require out of 100 in order to ascertain that the IDF is doing its job?  shira   Sep-19-09 06:13 AM   #68 
                                      - I figured you'd be totally in support of the IDF exonerating itself in all cases it's completed...  Violet_Crumble   Sep-19-09 06:44 AM   #69 
                                         - and i figured that unless there's a 100% conviction rate by the IDF, you think they should all be  shira   Sep-19-09 07:07 AM   #72 
                                            - You figure wrong, which is par for the course with you...  Violet_Crumble   Sep-19-09 07:16 AM   #74 
                                               - I'll stop speaking for you when you stop speaking for me....deal?  shira   Sep-19-09 07:28 AM   #76 
                                                  - I don't do lame things like that...you on the other hand did...  Violet_Crumble   Sep-19-09 07:35 AM   #78 
                                                     - you just did it a few posts above  shira   Sep-19-09 07:41 AM   #80 
                                                     - Pretty damn sure I didn't. I don't tell other people what they think...  Violet_Crumble   Sep-19-09 07:47 AM   #82 
  - U.N. Finds Signs of War Crimes on Both Sides in Gaza  Scurrilous   Sep-15-09 11:54 AM   #2 
  - Experts: Goldstone report may lead to private lawsuits  Scurrilous   Sep-15-09 03:53 PM   #3 
  - I feel a new wave hysteria and hyperbole coming on  azurnoir   Sep-15-09 10:51 PM   #8 
     - Indeed it has  ProgressiveProfessor   Sep-16-09 10:54 AM   #25 
  - war crimes and terrorism in Gaza, commited  number6   Sep-15-09 05:39 PM   #4 
  - Yeah, right.  proteus_lives   Sep-15-09 11:09 PM   #11 
     - Actually, the report has found both guilty of committing war crimes...  Violet_Crumble   Sep-16-09 02:40 AM   #13 
        - Reports do not convict, they have findings. As pointed out in other posts it has no legal standing  ProgressiveProfessor   Sep-16-09 10:55 AM   #26 
        - And I didn't say anyone was convicted n/t  Violet_Crumble   Sep-16-09 03:49 PM   #37 
           - Found guilty == conviction  ProgressiveProfessor   Sep-16-09 06:11 PM   #42 
              - Found guilty means someone thinks they are guilty.  bemildred   Sep-16-09 07:08 PM   #45 
                 - I speak English heaps better than you Americans, and that's my understanding of 'found guilty'...n/t  Violet_Crumble   Sep-18-09 02:35 AM   #49 
        - come on now  shira   Sep-16-09 01:47 PM   #31 
           - Excuse me? I have NOT been shown evidence the report isn't credible...  Violet_Crumble   Sep-16-09 03:57 PM   #38 
              - Not sure you would accept it regardless  ProgressiveProfessor   Sep-16-09 06:10 PM   #41 
              - Well, until I see some credible evidence you'll never know n/t  Violet_Crumble   Sep-18-09 02:36 AM   #50 
              - you have been provided examples of double-standards with regard to human shielding....  shira   Sep-16-09 06:12 PM   #43 
                 - forgot to include this one from last month - HRW researcher acknowledging human shields  shira   Sep-16-09 07:26 PM   #46 
                 - I think yr starting to tie yrself up in knots here...  Violet_Crumble   Sep-18-09 02:38 AM   #51 
                    - the report is not credible  shira   Sep-18-09 06:41 AM   #55 
                       - What yr going on about isn't from the report...it's yr pet hobbyhorse yet again...  Violet_Crumble   Sep-18-09 04:20 PM   #57 
                          - of course not, it's denied - it's a dishonest omission and I know that you know it  shira   Sep-18-09 07:02 PM   #59 
                             - I don't know why you bother 'debating' with people when you 'know' what they think...  Violet_Crumble   Sep-18-09 10:33 PM   #61 
                 - No, I haven't...  Violet_Crumble   Sep-18-09 02:29 AM   #47 
  - The Guardian's investigation of Gaza war crimes...  Violet_Crumble   Sep-16-09 03:28 AM   #15 
  - From AI USA  azurnoir   Sep-16-09 03:54 AM   #17 
  - This paragraph is so true...  Violet_Crumble   Sep-16-09 06:42 AM   #22 
  - Its an OpEd piece and the writer is welcome to his opinion. Reading his other pieces will give  ProgressiveProfessor   Sep-16-09 11:00 AM   #27 
     - And I said what he said was so true. You clearly disagree. No shocker there...  Violet_Crumble   Sep-16-09 03:35 PM   #34 
        - Reading your posts, I would expect no other reaction from you either  ProgressiveProfessor   Sep-16-09 06:08 PM   #40 
           - Being a bureacrat's got nothing to do with anything here...  Violet_Crumble   Sep-18-09 02:41 AM   #52 
  - Slandering Goldstone, a figure of world historical importance and credibility, as biased ...  HamdenRice   Sep-16-09 07:19 AM   #23 
  - Even he acknowledged that he did not have a complete set of data to work with  ProgressiveProfessor   Sep-16-09 11:06 AM   #28 
  - Do you approve of Israel using this tactic to create "doubt"?  azurnoir   Sep-18-09 03:00 AM   #53 
  - appeal to authority is a logical fallacy - judge the reports on its merits or lack thereof  shira   Sep-16-09 01:48 PM   #32 
  - Goldstone's daughter: My father's participation softened UN Gaza report  Scurrilous   Sep-16-09 08:03 AM   #24 
     - softened from what? proving once again the UNHRC cannot be trusted to handle Israel  shira   Sep-16-09 01:51 PM   #33 
        - One only has to look at the composition  Sezu   Sep-16-09 04:44 PM   #39 
        - Nobody can handle Israel  Braulio   Sep-19-09 05:53 PM   #85 
           - Deleted message  Name removed   Sep-19-09 07:18 PM   #87 
 

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