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Violet_Crumble Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-19-09 06:44 AM
Response to Reply #68
69. I figured you'd be totally in support of the IDF exonerating itself in all cases it's completed...
Edited on Sat Sep-19-09 07:07 AM by Violet_Crumble
Do you know if they exonerated themselves of using Palestinians as human shields? Or whether they cleared themselves of carrying out wanton destruction of property (eg a flour mill, a chicken farm, and a waste water treatment plant)?
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  -UN probe: evidence of war crimes in Gaza conflict Scurrilous  Sep-15-09 09:36 AM   #0 
  - what a load of garbage  shira   Sep-15-09 10:56 AM   #1 
  - an example of how atrocious this Goldstone report is  shira   Sep-15-09 10:10 PM   #5 
  - one more example  shira   Sep-15-09 10:21 PM   #6 
     - some liveleak vids constitute proof?  azurnoir   Sep-15-09 10:49 PM   #7 
     - you're welcome to ignore clear video evidence all you wish - happy delusions!  shira   Sep-15-09 11:03 PM   #10 
        - So if something's in a video, it must be true?  Violet_Crumble   Sep-16-09 03:29 AM   #16 
           - if you have good reason to suspect the video is false, i'm sure you'll let me know  shira   Sep-16-09 05:13 AM   #18 
              - You just said a video is clear evidence. I'm just taking yr 'logic' to obvious conclusions...  Violet_Crumble   Sep-16-09 06:38 AM   #21 
                 - you're deliberately ignoring credible evidence  shira   Sep-16-09 01:41 PM   #30 
                    - No, the problem is you have no clue about what reputable means...  Violet_Crumble   Sep-16-09 03:39 PM   #35 
     - detailed evidence of Hamas war crimes (human shielding) that the Goldstone commission missed  shira   Sep-15-09 11:03 PM   #9 
        - Colonel Richard Kemp on IDF in Gaza - former Commander of British forces in Afghanistan  shira   Sep-15-09 11:14 PM   #12 
  - I'm betting you haven't even read the report  Violet_Crumble   Sep-16-09 02:52 AM   #14 
     - i've read parts of it as it's nearly 600 pages long  shira   Sep-16-09 05:46 AM   #19 
        - What I'm noticing is yr copying and pasting things from blogs...  Violet_Crumble   Sep-16-09 06:31 AM   #20 
           - i first looked up any and all info. on Hamas human shields because...  shira   Sep-16-09 01:21 PM   #29 
              - How about you get back to everyone when you've read the report in full?  Violet_Crumble   Sep-16-09 03:48 PM   #36 
                 - how about you help me understand why HRW, AI, and the UNHRC use different standards wrt Israel?  shira   Sep-16-09 06:26 PM   #44 
                    - How about you acknowledge and address what I say to you for a change?  Violet_Crumble   Sep-18-09 02:34 AM   #48 
                       - i am - you want me to read the entire report - but it's dishonest and therefore not credible  shira   Sep-18-09 06:36 AM   #54 
                          - Reading something before claiming it's 'dishonest and not credible' is a must-do...  Violet_Crumble   Sep-18-09 04:14 PM   #56 
                             - reading some of it is plenty to know whether it's dishonest and not credible  shira   Sep-18-09 06:50 PM   #58 
                                - Yr only copying bits yr finding from those extremely biased 'pro-Israel' blogs you read...  Violet_Crumble   Sep-18-09 10:27 PM   #60 
                                - even if that's all I do, that doesn't take away from the fact the report is full of shit  shira   Sep-19-09 05:10 AM   #62 
                                   - To judge if something's full of shit, you'd have to read it all to know...  Violet_Crumble   Sep-19-09 05:16 AM   #63 
                                      - that's silly - you can read some of something to know whether it's full of shit  shira   Sep-19-09 05:26 AM   #65 
                                         - No, it's incredibly silly to only read selected bits like you have...  Violet_Crumble   Sep-19-09 05:35 AM   #66 
                                            - even reading selected bits is enough to make conclusions on the overall credibility  shira   Sep-19-09 06:09 AM   #67 
                                               - No, it's incredibly stupid to jump to conclusions without reading it...  Violet_Crumble   Sep-19-09 06:55 AM   #70 
                                                  - if parts of it are completely full of shit, that's usually a tip to objective, rational people.  shira   Sep-19-09 07:05 AM   #71 
                                                  - You haven't shown that any of it is full of shit. You've shown you don't agree with the report...  Violet_Crumble   Sep-19-09 07:14 AM   #73 
                                                  - on the contrary, I have and you are incapable of refuting it rationally....all you do is personally  shira   Sep-19-09 07:24 AM   #75 
                                                  - More words for you to learn the definition of - *ad hominem and rational*  Violet_Crumble   Sep-19-09 07:32 AM   #77 
                                                  - reply  shira   Sep-19-09 07:38 AM   #79 
                                                  - HRW don't have a glossary of official definitions...  Violet_Crumble   Sep-19-09 07:44 AM   #81 
                                                  - even if they did, you'd ignore it like you do the UN glossary of definitions, so what's the point?  shira   Sep-19-09 07:49 AM   #83 
                                                  - Huh? That was a training database for peacekeepers, not an official UN glossary...  Violet_Crumble   Sep-19-09 07:58 AM   #84 
                                                  - so peacekeepers for the UN are to have one definition of human shielding, but that's....  shira   Sep-19-09 07:09 PM   #86 
                                                  - All I did was correct yr false claim that it was an official UN definition...  Violet_Crumble   Sep-19-09 07:25 PM   #88 
                                                  - but it's that definition, what you say is not official, that HRW used in its reports on the LTTE, ..  shira   Sep-19-09 08:30 PM   #89 
                                                  - It's not just that I say it. It's that it's not an official definition...  Violet_Crumble   Sep-19-09 09:00 PM   #90 
                                                  - for something not being an official definition, it's certainly utilized that way by HRW in...  shira   Sep-19-09 09:24 PM   #91 
                                                  - It's not an official definition and it's not utilised that way at all...  Violet_Crumble   Sep-19-09 09:43 PM   #92 
                                                  - it appears you didn't read those HRW reports or the one about the HRW investigator last month  shira   Sep-19-09 10:11 PM   #93 
                                                  - I probably didn't, and don't really understand why I need to...  Violet_Crumble   Sep-19-09 11:55 PM   #94 
                                                  - why didn't you just concede much earlier?  shira   Sep-20-09 05:29 AM   #95 
                                                  - Concede? What do you think this is? A battle or something?  Violet_Crumble   Sep-20-09 07:37 AM   #96 
                                                  - LOL, okay.  shira   Sep-20-09 10:13 AM   #97 
                                                  - Violet...more on that "continuous combat role" by the Gaza 'civilian' police force  shira   Sep-26-09 06:20 AM   #98 
                                - And how many of those 100 internal investigations of abuse were dismissed as baseless?  Violet_Crumble   Sep-19-09 05:21 AM   #64 
                                   - how many convictions do you require out of 100 in order to ascertain that the IDF is doing its job?  shira   Sep-19-09 06:13 AM   #68 
                                      - I figured you'd be totally in support of the IDF exonerating itself in all cases it's completed...  Violet_Crumble   Sep-19-09 06:44 AM   #69 
                                         - and i figured that unless there's a 100% conviction rate by the IDF, you think they should all be  shira   Sep-19-09 07:07 AM   #72 
                                            - You figure wrong, which is par for the course with you...  Violet_Crumble   Sep-19-09 07:16 AM   #74 
                                               - I'll stop speaking for you when you stop speaking for  shira   Sep-19-09 07:28 AM   #76 
                                                  - I don't do lame things like on the other hand did...  Violet_Crumble   Sep-19-09 07:35 AM   #78 
                                                     - you just did it a few posts above  shira   Sep-19-09 07:41 AM   #80 
                                                     - Pretty damn sure I didn't. I don't tell other people what they think...  Violet_Crumble   Sep-19-09 07:47 AM   #82 
  - U.N. Finds Signs of War Crimes on Both Sides in Gaza  Scurrilous   Sep-15-09 11:54 AM   #2 
  - Experts: Goldstone report may lead to private lawsuits  Scurrilous   Sep-15-09 03:53 PM   #3 
  - I feel a new wave hysteria and hyperbole coming on  azurnoir   Sep-15-09 10:51 PM   #8 
     - Indeed it has  ProgressiveProfessor   Sep-16-09 10:54 AM   #25 
  - war crimes and terrorism in Gaza, commited  number6   Sep-15-09 05:39 PM   #4 
  - Yeah, right.  proteus_lives   Sep-15-09 11:09 PM   #11 
     - Actually, the report has found both guilty of committing war crimes...  Violet_Crumble   Sep-16-09 02:40 AM   #13 
        - Reports do not convict, they have findings. As pointed out in other posts it has no legal standing  ProgressiveProfessor   Sep-16-09 10:55 AM   #26 
        - And I didn't say anyone was convicted n/t  Violet_Crumble   Sep-16-09 03:49 PM   #37 
           - Found guilty == conviction  ProgressiveProfessor   Sep-16-09 06:11 PM   #42 
              - Found guilty means someone thinks they are guilty.  bemildred   Sep-16-09 07:08 PM   #45 
                 - I speak English heaps better than you Americans, and that's my understanding of 'found guilty'...n/t  Violet_Crumble   Sep-18-09 02:35 AM   #49 
        - come on now  shira   Sep-16-09 01:47 PM   #31 
           - Excuse me? I have NOT been shown evidence the report isn't credible...  Violet_Crumble   Sep-16-09 03:57 PM   #38 
              - Not sure you would accept it regardless  ProgressiveProfessor   Sep-16-09 06:10 PM   #41 
              - Well, until I see some credible evidence you'll never know n/t  Violet_Crumble   Sep-18-09 02:36 AM   #50 
              - you have been provided examples of double-standards with regard to human shielding....  shira   Sep-16-09 06:12 PM   #43 
                 - forgot to include this one from last month - HRW researcher acknowledging human shields  shira   Sep-16-09 07:26 PM   #46 
                 - I think yr starting to tie yrself up in knots here...  Violet_Crumble   Sep-18-09 02:38 AM   #51 
                    - the report is not credible  shira   Sep-18-09 06:41 AM   #55 
                       - What yr going on about isn't from the's yr pet hobbyhorse yet again...  Violet_Crumble   Sep-18-09 04:20 PM   #57 
                          - of course not, it's denied - it's a dishonest omission and I know that you know it  shira   Sep-18-09 07:02 PM   #59 
                             - I don't know why you bother 'debating' with people when you 'know' what they think...  Violet_Crumble   Sep-18-09 10:33 PM   #61 
                 - No, I haven't...  Violet_Crumble   Sep-18-09 02:29 AM   #47 
  - The Guardian's investigation of Gaza war crimes...  Violet_Crumble   Sep-16-09 03:28 AM   #15 
  - From AI USA  azurnoir   Sep-16-09 03:54 AM   #17 
  - This paragraph is so true...  Violet_Crumble   Sep-16-09 06:42 AM   #22 
  - Its an OpEd piece and the writer is welcome to his opinion. Reading his other pieces will give  ProgressiveProfessor   Sep-16-09 11:00 AM   #27 
     - And I said what he said was so true. You clearly disagree. No shocker there...  Violet_Crumble   Sep-16-09 03:35 PM   #34 
        - Reading your posts, I would expect no other reaction from you either  ProgressiveProfessor   Sep-16-09 06:08 PM   #40 
           - Being a bureacrat's got nothing to do with anything here...  Violet_Crumble   Sep-18-09 02:41 AM   #52 
  - Slandering Goldstone, a figure of world historical importance and credibility, as biased ...  HamdenRice   Sep-16-09 07:19 AM   #23 
  - Even he acknowledged that he did not have a complete set of data to work with  ProgressiveProfessor   Sep-16-09 11:06 AM   #28 
  - Do you approve of Israel using this tactic to create "doubt"?  azurnoir   Sep-18-09 03:00 AM   #53 
  - appeal to authority is a logical fallacy - judge the reports on its merits or lack thereof  shira   Sep-16-09 01:48 PM   #32 
  - Goldstone's daughter: My father's participation softened UN Gaza report  Scurrilous   Sep-16-09 08:03 AM   #24 
     - softened from what? proving once again the UNHRC cannot be trusted to handle Israel  shira   Sep-16-09 01:51 PM   #33 
        - One only has to look at the composition  Sezu   Sep-16-09 04:44 PM   #39 
        - Nobody can handle Israel  Braulio   Sep-19-09 05:53 PM   #85 
           - Deleted message  Name removed   Sep-19-09 07:18 PM   #87 

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