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Fri Sep-18-09 06:36 AM
Response to Reply #48 |
| 54. i am - you want me to read the entire report - but it's dishonest and therefore not credible |
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I proved to you why it's not credible, based on sources you trust (HRW) and not videos.
Your silence in response to this evidence from HRW (their double-standards) suggests that you realize the report is not credible.
Why do you put so much stock into a report that's extremely dishonest?
Do you read other 600 page reports that are based on very big, damaging lies?
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If you want to discuss some of the report's findings, that's fine - fire away! What shall we discuss?
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| -UN probe: evidence of war crimes in Gaza conflict |
Scurrilous |
Sep-15-09 09:36 AM |
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what a load of garbage |
shira |
Sep-15-09 10:56 AM |
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an example of how atrocious this Goldstone report is |
shira |
Sep-15-09 10:10 PM |
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one more example |
shira |
Sep-15-09 10:21 PM |
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some liveleak vids constitute proof? |
azurnoir |
Sep-15-09 10:49 PM |
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you're welcome to ignore clear video evidence all you wish - happy delusions! |
shira |
Sep-15-09 11:03 PM |
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So if something's in a video, it must be true? |
Violet_Crumble |
Sep-16-09 03:29 AM |
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if you have good reason to suspect the video is false, i'm sure you'll let me know |
shira |
Sep-16-09 05:13 AM |
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You just said a video is clear evidence. I'm just taking yr 'logic' to obvious conclusions... |
Violet_Crumble |
Sep-16-09 06:38 AM |
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you're deliberately ignoring credible evidence |
shira |
Sep-16-09 01:41 PM |
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No, the problem is you have no clue about what reputable means... |
Violet_Crumble |
Sep-16-09 03:39 PM |
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detailed evidence of Hamas war crimes (human shielding) that the Goldstone commission missed |
shira |
Sep-15-09 11:03 PM |
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Colonel Richard Kemp on IDF in Gaza - former Commander of British forces in Afghanistan |
shira |
Sep-15-09 11:14 PM |
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I'm betting you haven't even read the report |
Violet_Crumble |
Sep-16-09 02:52 AM |
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i've read parts of it as it's nearly 600 pages long |
shira |
Sep-16-09 05:46 AM |
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What I'm noticing is yr copying and pasting things from blogs... |
Violet_Crumble |
Sep-16-09 06:31 AM |
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i first looked up any and all info. on Hamas human shields because... |
shira |
Sep-16-09 01:21 PM |
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How about you get back to everyone when you've read the report in full? |
Violet_Crumble |
Sep-16-09 03:48 PM |
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how about you help me understand why HRW, AI, and the UNHRC use different standards wrt Israel? |
shira |
Sep-16-09 06:26 PM |
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How about you acknowledge and address what I say to you for a change? |
Violet_Crumble |
Sep-18-09 02:34 AM |
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i am - you want me to read the entire report - but it's dishonest and therefore not credible |
shira |
Sep-18-09 06:36 AM |
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Reading something before claiming it's 'dishonest and not credible' is a must-do... |
Violet_Crumble |
Sep-18-09 04:14 PM |
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reading some of it is plenty to know whether it's dishonest and not credible |
shira |
Sep-18-09 06:50 PM |
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Yr only copying bits yr finding from those extremely biased 'pro-Israel' blogs you read... |
Violet_Crumble |
Sep-18-09 10:27 PM |
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even if that's all I do, that doesn't take away from the fact the report is full of shit |
shira |
Sep-19-09 05:10 AM |
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To judge if something's full of shit, you'd have to read it all to know... |
Violet_Crumble |
Sep-19-09 05:16 AM |
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that's silly - you can read some of something to know whether it's full of shit |
shira |
Sep-19-09 05:26 AM |
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No, it's incredibly silly to only read selected bits like you have... |
Violet_Crumble |
Sep-19-09 05:35 AM |
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even reading selected bits is enough to make conclusions on the overall credibility |
shira |
Sep-19-09 06:09 AM |
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No, it's incredibly stupid to jump to conclusions without reading it... |
Violet_Crumble |
Sep-19-09 06:55 AM |
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if parts of it are completely full of shit, that's usually a tip to objective, rational people. |
shira |
Sep-19-09 07:05 AM |
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You haven't shown that any of it is full of shit. You've shown you don't agree with the report... |
Violet_Crumble |
Sep-19-09 07:14 AM |
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on the contrary, I have and you are incapable of refuting it rationally....all you do is personally |
shira |
Sep-19-09 07:24 AM |
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More words for you to learn the definition of - *ad hominem and rational* |
Violet_Crumble |
Sep-19-09 07:32 AM |
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reply |
shira |
Sep-19-09 07:38 AM |
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HRW don't have a glossary of official definitions... |
Violet_Crumble |
Sep-19-09 07:44 AM |
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even if they did, you'd ignore it like you do the UN glossary of definitions, so what's the point? |
shira |
Sep-19-09 07:49 AM |
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Huh? That was a training database for peacekeepers, not an official UN glossary... |
Violet_Crumble |
Sep-19-09 07:58 AM |
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so peacekeepers for the UN are to have one definition of human shielding, but that's.... |
shira |
Sep-19-09 07:09 PM |
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All I did was correct yr false claim that it was an official UN definition... |
Violet_Crumble |
Sep-19-09 07:25 PM |
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but it's that definition, what you say is not official, that HRW used in its reports on the LTTE, .. |
shira |
Sep-19-09 08:30 PM |
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It's not just that I say it. It's that it's not an official definition... |
Violet_Crumble |
Sep-19-09 09:00 PM |
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for something not being an official definition, it's certainly utilized that way by HRW in... |
shira |
Sep-19-09 09:24 PM |
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It's not an official definition and it's not utilised that way at all... |
Violet_Crumble |
Sep-19-09 09:43 PM |
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it appears you didn't read those HRW reports or the one about the HRW investigator last month |
shira |
Sep-19-09 10:11 PM |
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I probably didn't, and don't really understand why I need to... |
Violet_Crumble |
Sep-19-09 11:55 PM |
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why didn't you just concede much earlier? |
shira |
Sep-20-09 05:29 AM |
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Concede? What do you think this is? A battle or something? |
Violet_Crumble |
Sep-20-09 07:37 AM |
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LOL, okay. |
shira |
Sep-20-09 10:13 AM |
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Violet...more on that "continuous combat role" by the Gaza 'civilian' police force |
shira |
Sep-26-09 06:20 AM |
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And how many of those 100 internal investigations of abuse were dismissed as baseless? |
Violet_Crumble |
Sep-19-09 05:21 AM |
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how many convictions do you require out of 100 in order to ascertain that the IDF is doing its job? |
shira |
Sep-19-09 06:13 AM |
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I figured you'd be totally in support of the IDF exonerating itself in all cases it's completed... |
Violet_Crumble |
Sep-19-09 06:44 AM |
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and i figured that unless there's a 100% conviction rate by the IDF, you think they should all be |
shira |
Sep-19-09 07:07 AM |
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You figure wrong, which is par for the course with you... |
Violet_Crumble |
Sep-19-09 07:16 AM |
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I'll stop speaking for you when you stop speaking for me....deal? |
shira |
Sep-19-09 07:28 AM |
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I don't do lame things like that...you on the other hand did... |
Violet_Crumble |
Sep-19-09 07:35 AM |
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you just did it a few posts above |
shira |
Sep-19-09 07:41 AM |
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Pretty damn sure I didn't. I don't tell other people what they think... |
Violet_Crumble |
Sep-19-09 07:47 AM |
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U.N. Finds Signs of War Crimes on Both Sides in Gaza |
Scurrilous |
Sep-15-09 11:54 AM |
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Experts: Goldstone report may lead to private lawsuits |
Scurrilous |
Sep-15-09 03:53 PM |
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I feel a new wave hysteria and hyperbole coming on |
azurnoir |
Sep-15-09 10:51 PM |
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Indeed it has |
ProgressiveProfessor |
Sep-16-09 10:54 AM |
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war crimes and terrorism in Gaza, commited |
number6 |
Sep-15-09 05:39 PM |
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Yeah, right. |
proteus_lives |
Sep-15-09 11:09 PM |
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Actually, the report has found both guilty of committing war crimes... |
Violet_Crumble |
Sep-16-09 02:40 AM |
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Reports do not convict, they have findings. As pointed out in other posts it has no legal standing |
ProgressiveProfessor |
Sep-16-09 10:55 AM |
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And I didn't say anyone was convicted n/t |
Violet_Crumble |
Sep-16-09 03:49 PM |
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Found guilty == conviction |
ProgressiveProfessor |
Sep-16-09 06:11 PM |
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Found guilty means someone thinks they are guilty. |
bemildred |
Sep-16-09 07:08 PM |
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I speak English heaps better than you Americans, and that's my understanding of 'found guilty'...n/t |
Violet_Crumble |
Sep-18-09 02:35 AM |
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come on now |
shira |
Sep-16-09 01:47 PM |
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Excuse me? I have NOT been shown evidence the report isn't credible... |
Violet_Crumble |
Sep-16-09 03:57 PM |
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Not sure you would accept it regardless |
ProgressiveProfessor |
Sep-16-09 06:10 PM |
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Well, until I see some credible evidence you'll never know n/t |
Violet_Crumble |
Sep-18-09 02:36 AM |
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you have been provided examples of double-standards with regard to human shielding.... |
shira |
Sep-16-09 06:12 PM |
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forgot to include this one from last month - HRW researcher acknowledging human shields |
shira |
Sep-16-09 07:26 PM |
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I think yr starting to tie yrself up in knots here... |
Violet_Crumble |
Sep-18-09 02:38 AM |
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the report is not credible |
shira |
Sep-18-09 06:41 AM |
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What yr going on about isn't from the report...it's yr pet hobbyhorse yet again... |
Violet_Crumble |
Sep-18-09 04:20 PM |
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of course not, it's denied - it's a dishonest omission and I know that you know it |
shira |
Sep-18-09 07:02 PM |
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I don't know why you bother 'debating' with people when you 'know' what they think... |
Violet_Crumble |
Sep-18-09 10:33 PM |
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No, I haven't... |
Violet_Crumble |
Sep-18-09 02:29 AM |
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The Guardian's investigation of Gaza war crimes... |
Violet_Crumble |
Sep-16-09 03:28 AM |
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From AI USA |
azurnoir |
Sep-16-09 03:54 AM |
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This paragraph is so true... |
Violet_Crumble |
Sep-16-09 06:42 AM |
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Its an OpEd piece and the writer is welcome to his opinion. Reading his other pieces will give |
ProgressiveProfessor |
Sep-16-09 11:00 AM |
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And I said what he said was so true. You clearly disagree. No shocker there... |
Violet_Crumble |
Sep-16-09 03:35 PM |
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Reading your posts, I would expect no other reaction from you either |
ProgressiveProfessor |
Sep-16-09 06:08 PM |
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Being a bureacrat's got nothing to do with anything here... |
Violet_Crumble |
Sep-18-09 02:41 AM |
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Slandering Goldstone, a figure of world historical importance and credibility, as biased ... |
HamdenRice |
Sep-16-09 07:19 AM |
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Even he acknowledged that he did not have a complete set of data to work with |
ProgressiveProfessor |
Sep-16-09 11:06 AM |
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Do you approve of Israel using this tactic to create "doubt"? |
azurnoir |
Sep-18-09 03:00 AM |
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appeal to authority is a logical fallacy - judge the reports on its merits or lack thereof |
shira |
Sep-16-09 01:48 PM |
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Goldstone's daughter: My father's participation softened UN Gaza report |
Scurrilous |
Sep-16-09 08:03 AM |
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softened from what? proving once again the UNHRC cannot be trusted to handle Israel |
shira |
Sep-16-09 01:51 PM |
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One only has to look at the composition |
Sezu |
Sep-16-09 04:44 PM |
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Nobody can handle Israel |
Braulio |
Sep-19-09 05:53 PM |
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Sep-19-09 07:18 PM |
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