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Wed Sep-16-09 05:46 AM
Response to Reply #14 |
| 19. i've read parts of it as it's nearly 600 pages long |
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Edited on Wed Sep-16-09 05:47 AM by shira
their absurd conclusion - no evidence of Hamas using civilians as shields - which defies the UN's own definition on human shields. http://www.un.org/Depts/dpko/glossary/h.htm human shield - any person who, under the laws of war is considered a non-combattant and as such protected from deliberate attack (civilians, POWs, etc.) but who is used by one side as a hostage to deter the other side from striking a particular military target and risking killing the hostages; the side using "human shields" gambles on the other side's reluctance to violate the laws of war and on its fear of the moral and political opprobrium usually attached to such violations; the use of human shields can take the form of a) placing civilians or prisoners in or near legitimate military targets (bases, bunkers, weapons factories, etc.) or b) placing artillery batteries and other offensive weapons in the midst of the civilian population, particularly such buildings as hospitals, schools, churches, etc., or residential neighborhoods, or c) for non-uniformed armed groups, firing at their adversary from among a crowd of civiliansthus, this report is a completely dishonest hoax posing as serious study - as Hamas' clearly illegal battle strategies are rewarded and Hamas takes no blame for civilian deaths (instead Israel does). it's astounding that you don't immediately recognize the utter dishonesty here.
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| -UN probe: evidence of war crimes in Gaza conflict |
Scurrilous |
Sep-15-09 09:36 AM |
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what a load of garbage |
shira |
Sep-15-09 10:56 AM |
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an example of how atrocious this Goldstone report is |
shira |
Sep-15-09 10:10 PM |
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one more example |
shira |
Sep-15-09 10:21 PM |
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some liveleak vids constitute proof? |
azurnoir |
Sep-15-09 10:49 PM |
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you're welcome to ignore clear video evidence all you wish - happy delusions! |
shira |
Sep-15-09 11:03 PM |
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So if something's in a video, it must be true? |
Violet_Crumble |
Sep-16-09 03:29 AM |
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if you have good reason to suspect the video is false, i'm sure you'll let me know |
shira |
Sep-16-09 05:13 AM |
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You just said a video is clear evidence. I'm just taking yr 'logic' to obvious conclusions... |
Violet_Crumble |
Sep-16-09 06:38 AM |
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you're deliberately ignoring credible evidence |
shira |
Sep-16-09 01:41 PM |
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No, the problem is you have no clue about what reputable means... |
Violet_Crumble |
Sep-16-09 03:39 PM |
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detailed evidence of Hamas war crimes (human shielding) that the Goldstone commission missed |
shira |
Sep-15-09 11:03 PM |
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Colonel Richard Kemp on IDF in Gaza - former Commander of British forces in Afghanistan |
shira |
Sep-15-09 11:14 PM |
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I'm betting you haven't even read the report |
Violet_Crumble |
Sep-16-09 02:52 AM |
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i've read parts of it as it's nearly 600 pages long |
shira |
Sep-16-09 05:46 AM |
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What I'm noticing is yr copying and pasting things from blogs... |
Violet_Crumble |
Sep-16-09 06:31 AM |
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i first looked up any and all info. on Hamas human shields because... |
shira |
Sep-16-09 01:21 PM |
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How about you get back to everyone when you've read the report in full? |
Violet_Crumble |
Sep-16-09 03:48 PM |
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how about you help me understand why HRW, AI, and the UNHRC use different standards wrt Israel? |
shira |
Sep-16-09 06:26 PM |
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How about you acknowledge and address what I say to you for a change? |
Violet_Crumble |
Sep-18-09 02:34 AM |
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i am - you want me to read the entire report - but it's dishonest and therefore not credible |
shira |
Sep-18-09 06:36 AM |
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Reading something before claiming it's 'dishonest and not credible' is a must-do... |
Violet_Crumble |
Sep-18-09 04:14 PM |
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reading some of it is plenty to know whether it's dishonest and not credible |
shira |
Sep-18-09 06:50 PM |
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Yr only copying bits yr finding from those extremely biased 'pro-Israel' blogs you read... |
Violet_Crumble |
Sep-18-09 10:27 PM |
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even if that's all I do, that doesn't take away from the fact the report is full of shit |
shira |
Sep-19-09 05:10 AM |
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To judge if something's full of shit, you'd have to read it all to know... |
Violet_Crumble |
Sep-19-09 05:16 AM |
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that's silly - you can read some of something to know whether it's full of shit |
shira |
Sep-19-09 05:26 AM |
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No, it's incredibly silly to only read selected bits like you have... |
Violet_Crumble |
Sep-19-09 05:35 AM |
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even reading selected bits is enough to make conclusions on the overall credibility |
shira |
Sep-19-09 06:09 AM |
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No, it's incredibly stupid to jump to conclusions without reading it... |
Violet_Crumble |
Sep-19-09 06:55 AM |
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if parts of it are completely full of shit, that's usually a tip to objective, rational people. |
shira |
Sep-19-09 07:05 AM |
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You haven't shown that any of it is full of shit. You've shown you don't agree with the report... |
Violet_Crumble |
Sep-19-09 07:14 AM |
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on the contrary, I have and you are incapable of refuting it rationally....all you do is personally |
shira |
Sep-19-09 07:24 AM |
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More words for you to learn the definition of - *ad hominem and rational* |
Violet_Crumble |
Sep-19-09 07:32 AM |
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reply |
shira |
Sep-19-09 07:38 AM |
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HRW don't have a glossary of official definitions... |
Violet_Crumble |
Sep-19-09 07:44 AM |
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even if they did, you'd ignore it like you do the UN glossary of definitions, so what's the point? |
shira |
Sep-19-09 07:49 AM |
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Huh? That was a training database for peacekeepers, not an official UN glossary... |
Violet_Crumble |
Sep-19-09 07:58 AM |
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so peacekeepers for the UN are to have one definition of human shielding, but that's.... |
shira |
Sep-19-09 07:09 PM |
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All I did was correct yr false claim that it was an official UN definition... |
Violet_Crumble |
Sep-19-09 07:25 PM |
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but it's that definition, what you say is not official, that HRW used in its reports on the LTTE, .. |
shira |
Sep-19-09 08:30 PM |
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It's not just that I say it. It's that it's not an official definition... |
Violet_Crumble |
Sep-19-09 09:00 PM |
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for something not being an official definition, it's certainly utilized that way by HRW in... |
shira |
Sep-19-09 09:24 PM |
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It's not an official definition and it's not utilised that way at all... |
Violet_Crumble |
Sep-19-09 09:43 PM |
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it appears you didn't read those HRW reports or the one about the HRW investigator last month |
shira |
Sep-19-09 10:11 PM |
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I probably didn't, and don't really understand why I need to... |
Violet_Crumble |
Sep-19-09 11:55 PM |
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why didn't you just concede much earlier? |
shira |
Sep-20-09 05:29 AM |
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Concede? What do you think this is? A battle or something? |
Violet_Crumble |
Sep-20-09 07:37 AM |
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LOL, okay. |
shira |
Sep-20-09 10:13 AM |
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Violet...more on that "continuous combat role" by the Gaza 'civilian' police force |
shira |
Sep-26-09 06:20 AM |
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And how many of those 100 internal investigations of abuse were dismissed as baseless? |
Violet_Crumble |
Sep-19-09 05:21 AM |
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how many convictions do you require out of 100 in order to ascertain that the IDF is doing its job? |
shira |
Sep-19-09 06:13 AM |
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I figured you'd be totally in support of the IDF exonerating itself in all cases it's completed... |
Violet_Crumble |
Sep-19-09 06:44 AM |
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and i figured that unless there's a 100% conviction rate by the IDF, you think they should all be |
shira |
Sep-19-09 07:07 AM |
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You figure wrong, which is par for the course with you... |
Violet_Crumble |
Sep-19-09 07:16 AM |
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I'll stop speaking for you when you stop speaking for me....deal? |
shira |
Sep-19-09 07:28 AM |
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I don't do lame things like that...you on the other hand did... |
Violet_Crumble |
Sep-19-09 07:35 AM |
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you just did it a few posts above |
shira |
Sep-19-09 07:41 AM |
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Pretty damn sure I didn't. I don't tell other people what they think... |
Violet_Crumble |
Sep-19-09 07:47 AM |
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U.N. Finds Signs of War Crimes on Both Sides in Gaza |
Scurrilous |
Sep-15-09 11:54 AM |
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Experts: Goldstone report may lead to private lawsuits |
Scurrilous |
Sep-15-09 03:53 PM |
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I feel a new wave hysteria and hyperbole coming on |
azurnoir |
Sep-15-09 10:51 PM |
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Indeed it has |
ProgressiveProfessor |
Sep-16-09 10:54 AM |
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war crimes and terrorism in Gaza, commited |
number6 |
Sep-15-09 05:39 PM |
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Yeah, right. |
proteus_lives |
Sep-15-09 11:09 PM |
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Actually, the report has found both guilty of committing war crimes... |
Violet_Crumble |
Sep-16-09 02:40 AM |
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Reports do not convict, they have findings. As pointed out in other posts it has no legal standing |
ProgressiveProfessor |
Sep-16-09 10:55 AM |
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And I didn't say anyone was convicted n/t |
Violet_Crumble |
Sep-16-09 03:49 PM |
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Found guilty == conviction |
ProgressiveProfessor |
Sep-16-09 06:11 PM |
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Found guilty means someone thinks they are guilty. |
bemildred |
Sep-16-09 07:08 PM |
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I speak English heaps better than you Americans, and that's my understanding of 'found guilty'...n/t |
Violet_Crumble |
Sep-18-09 02:35 AM |
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come on now |
shira |
Sep-16-09 01:47 PM |
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Excuse me? I have NOT been shown evidence the report isn't credible... |
Violet_Crumble |
Sep-16-09 03:57 PM |
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Not sure you would accept it regardless |
ProgressiveProfessor |
Sep-16-09 06:10 PM |
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Well, until I see some credible evidence you'll never know n/t |
Violet_Crumble |
Sep-18-09 02:36 AM |
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you have been provided examples of double-standards with regard to human shielding.... |
shira |
Sep-16-09 06:12 PM |
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forgot to include this one from last month - HRW researcher acknowledging human shields |
shira |
Sep-16-09 07:26 PM |
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I think yr starting to tie yrself up in knots here... |
Violet_Crumble |
Sep-18-09 02:38 AM |
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the report is not credible |
shira |
Sep-18-09 06:41 AM |
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What yr going on about isn't from the report...it's yr pet hobbyhorse yet again... |
Violet_Crumble |
Sep-18-09 04:20 PM |
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of course not, it's denied - it's a dishonest omission and I know that you know it |
shira |
Sep-18-09 07:02 PM |
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I don't know why you bother 'debating' with people when you 'know' what they think... |
Violet_Crumble |
Sep-18-09 10:33 PM |
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No, I haven't... |
Violet_Crumble |
Sep-18-09 02:29 AM |
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The Guardian's investigation of Gaza war crimes... |
Violet_Crumble |
Sep-16-09 03:28 AM |
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From AI USA |
azurnoir |
Sep-16-09 03:54 AM |
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This paragraph is so true... |
Violet_Crumble |
Sep-16-09 06:42 AM |
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Its an OpEd piece and the writer is welcome to his opinion. Reading his other pieces will give |
ProgressiveProfessor |
Sep-16-09 11:00 AM |
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And I said what he said was so true. You clearly disagree. No shocker there... |
Violet_Crumble |
Sep-16-09 03:35 PM |
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Reading your posts, I would expect no other reaction from you either |
ProgressiveProfessor |
Sep-16-09 06:08 PM |
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Being a bureacrat's got nothing to do with anything here... |
Violet_Crumble |
Sep-18-09 02:41 AM |
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Slandering Goldstone, a figure of world historical importance and credibility, as biased ... |
HamdenRice |
Sep-16-09 07:19 AM |
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Even he acknowledged that he did not have a complete set of data to work with |
ProgressiveProfessor |
Sep-16-09 11:06 AM |
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Do you approve of Israel using this tactic to create "doubt"? |
azurnoir |
Sep-18-09 03:00 AM |
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appeal to authority is a logical fallacy - judge the reports on its merits or lack thereof |
shira |
Sep-16-09 01:48 PM |
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Goldstone's daughter: My father's participation softened UN Gaza report |
Scurrilous |
Sep-16-09 08:03 AM |
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softened from what? proving once again the UNHRC cannot be trusted to handle Israel |
shira |
Sep-16-09 01:51 PM |
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One only has to look at the composition |
Sezu |
Sep-16-09 04:44 PM |
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Nobody can handle Israel |
Braulio |
Sep-19-09 05:53 PM |
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Sep-19-09 07:18 PM |
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