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oberliner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-14-09 07:19 PM
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14. Regarding your last point
Lebanon made no effort to cut ties with the US even when they first invaded Iraq and all during the ensuing occupation. I would note that the number of Iraqi civilians killed in the six years since the US invaded is much higher than the civilian death toll of any of the recent conflicts that Israel has been involved with over the past forty years.

The other points you make are interesting ones. I do share your frustration with the ambivalence the world seemed to feel about the Rwandan genocide, and the way most of the "Western World" currently feels about conflicts and atrocities going on in Africa generally.
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  -Fadlallah fatwa bans normalizing Israel ties oberliner  Sep-13-09 09:07 PM   #0 
  - must still be bothered by all those times they tried to kill him  Alamuti Lotus   Sep-14-09 01:22 AM   #1 
  - uh huh...  elias7   Sep-14-09 02:17 AM   #2 
  - I thought it was America who tried to kill him  oberliner   Sep-14-09 10:14 AM   #3 
     - the most interesting massacre was, yes  Alamuti Lotus   Sep-17-09 03:10 AM   #53 
  - But I thought all the Arab nations  Vegasaurus   Sep-14-09 02:32 PM   #4 
     - Maybe someday.  Donald Ian Rankin   Sep-14-09 05:33 PM   #5 
        - But a fatwa?  Vegasaurus   Sep-14-09 05:38 PM   #6 
        - Don't you find the unspoken expecation of normal relations -- in light of Israel's behavior since  ProgressiveMuslim   Sep-14-09 05:50 PM   #7 
        - Lebanon has an embassy in Moscow  oberliner   Sep-14-09 06:07 PM   #8 
           - I can see two obvious reasons.  Donald Ian Rankin   Sep-14-09 06:29 PM   #9 
           - I strongly dispute your first statement  oberliner   Sep-14-09 06:38 PM   #10 
              - He said Lebanese, not Arab...  shaayecanaan   Sep-14-09 06:50 PM   #11 
                 - No he didn't  oberliner   Sep-14-09 06:55 PM   #12 
                    - An interesting question, to which I cannot provide 100% of the answer.  Donald Ian Rankin   Sep-14-09 07:03 PM   #13 
                    - Regarding your last point  oberliner   Sep-14-09 07:19 PM   #14 
                    - Cynicism, not frustration.  Donald Ian Rankin   Sep-14-09 07:56 PM   #15 
                       - and boy do i agree......  pelsar   Sep-16-09 06:37 AM   #47 
                    - Lebanese care more for Palestinians? Are you serious?  shira   Sep-15-09 02:49 PM   #35 
                    - The answer seems obvious...  Violet_Crumble   Sep-15-09 05:51 AM   #27 
                       - Iraq is not exactly a long way away from Lebanon  oberliner   Sep-15-09 01:41 PM   #33 
                       - Lebanon cares for the Palestinian cause, not Palestinians and the proof is its own refugees  shira   Sep-15-09 02:52 PM   #37 
                          - The cause is more important than the people, to some at least nt  Vegasaurus   Sep-15-09 02:55 PM   #38 
                          - The cause is definately more important than the people to you n/t  Violet_Crumble   Sep-16-09 02:58 AM   #44 
                          - It appears most don't which is kinda  Sezu   Sep-15-09 02:59 PM   #39 
                          - Oberliner and I were talking about the Lebanese people...  Violet_Crumble   Sep-16-09 02:56 AM   #43 
                             - what are lebanese people doing for those Palestinian refugees in Lebanon you think they care for?  shira   Sep-16-09 05:49 AM   #45 
                                - Why don't you go ask some Lebanese if yr so interested?  Violet_Crumble   Sep-16-09 06:33 AM   #46 
                                   - they're not doing much if anything, right? of course not..  shira   Sep-16-09 01:09 PM   #51 
           - You should watch "Under the Bombs." It will help answer your questions.  ProgressiveMuslim   Sep-14-09 08:56 PM   #16 
              - Arabs are not irrational anti-semites  oberliner   Sep-14-09 09:03 PM   #17 
                 - Can I venture a guess?  Kurska   Sep-14-09 09:09 PM   #18 
                 - Actually, that's pretty close...  shaayecanaan   Sep-14-09 09:23 PM   #19 
                 - The problem is the Israelis and Palestinians are working on two diffrent ideological wave lengths.  Kurska   Sep-14-09 09:30 PM   #21 
                 - That is basically correct...  shaayecanaan   Sep-14-09 10:31 PM   #23 
                    - I don't think I've ever met anyone who thought anti-semitism could be brought to a end.  Kurska   Sep-15-09 02:29 AM   #24 
                    - Its not a single phenomenon...  shaayecanaan   Sep-15-09 07:17 PM   #41 
                    - What? Imperialism worked? nt  Vegasaurus   Sep-15-09 03:43 AM   #25 
                    - Settling works (if you don't mind genocide or ethnic cleansing), conquering doesn't.  Donald Ian Rankin   Sep-15-09 11:26 AM   #32 
                       - Machiavelli again...  shaayecanaan   Sep-15-09 08:21 PM   #42 
                          - I think Kipling put it better:  Donald Ian Rankin   Sep-16-09 08:04 AM   #48 
                    - I don't think your characterization of Palestinian resistance is accurate.  ProgressiveMuslim   Sep-15-09 06:07 AM   #29 
                 - I disagree.  ProgressiveMuslim   Sep-15-09 06:06 AM   #28 
                 - Interesting analysis  oberliner   Sep-14-09 09:28 PM   #20 
                    - Depends, not every Arab feels that way.  Kurska   Sep-14-09 09:41 PM   #22 
                 - Like many works of art, "Under the Bombs" paints a picture that might help you get a feel  ProgressiveMuslim   Sep-15-09 05:43 AM   #26 
        - i find this sentence rather "bothersome"...  pelsar   Sep-15-09 06:08 AM   #30 
        - I'm quite sure you don't want your children killed.  Donald Ian Rankin   Sep-15-09 10:29 AM   #31 
           - my children are very ethical...  pelsar   Sep-16-09 12:07 PM   #49 
              - Ethical is not the same as principled.  Donald Ian Rankin   Sep-16-09 01:04 PM   #50 
                 - That sounds so familiar  varelse   Sep-16-09 10:02 PM   #52 
                 - I dont take offense.....  pelsar   Sep-17-09 11:23 AM   #54 
        - you've got it backwards - the Arab states have been at war with Israel since before '48  shira   Sep-15-09 02:43 PM   #34 
           - Because the conflict isn't about "the occupation"  Vegasaurus   Sep-15-09 02:50 PM   #36 
              - Its all about us huh ?  azurnoir   Sep-15-09 03:27 PM   #40 

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