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shira Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-05-09 05:34 PM
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26. so Israel should abandon all settlements?
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  -In speech to Muslims, Obama rejects Israeli settlements Scurrilous  Jun-04-09 10:54 AM   #0 
  - Well - good for him.  LeftishBrit   Jun-04-09 10:56 AM   #1 
  - "Assalaam Aleikum" -- Barack Obama  ProgressiveMuslim   Jun-05-09 10:05 AM   #24 
  - Hamas is the stumbling block  Vegasaurus   Jun-04-09 12:52 PM   #2 
  - Nicely cherry picked  azurnoir   Jun-04-09 02:18 PM   #3 
  - There's no way you can turn this around and say Hamas justifies the settlements.  Ken Burch   Jun-04-09 04:25 PM   #4 
     - NEVER??? Well how do you explain Islamic extremism  Sezu   Jun-04-09 07:30 PM   #5 
        - The I/P conflict is the single largest cause of friction between the West and the Islamic world  Donald Ian Rankin   Jun-04-09 08:05 PM   #6 
        - yeah, once I/P is cleared up, there will be peace and kumbaya  shira   Jun-04-09 08:50 PM   #7 
           - Nobody said there'd be instant "peace and kumbaya"  Ken Burch   Jun-04-09 09:14 PM   #9 
              - ever think that regional M.E. leadership NEEDS this conflict to rage on?  shira   Jun-04-09 09:50 PM   #10 
                 - ever think the Israeli leadership NEEDS this conflict to rage on?  Ken Burch   Jun-04-09 10:04 PM   #11 
                    - you have a VERY low opinion of Israelis, then  shira   Jun-04-09 10:10 PM   #12 
                       - I respect rank-and-file Israeli citizens. I don't respect Israeli political leaders  Ken Burch   Jun-04-09 10:19 PM   #13 
                       - israeli politicians send their own kids, grandchildren, friends and their kids....  shira   Jun-04-09 10:36 PM   #14 
                          - Not dumb. Capable of being manipulate by propaganda as are voters here  Ken Burch   Jun-04-09 10:39 PM   #15 
                             - 90% of jewish israelis were for OCL, Ken....you respect that?  shira   Jun-04-09 10:43 PM   #16 
                                - At one point 90% of the US backed the Iraq War  Ken Burch   Jun-04-09 10:56 PM   #17 
                                   - are you aware of Olmert's offer to Abbas last year?  shira   Jun-04-09 10:59 PM   #18 
                                      - The settlements and Jerusalem, of course. N.T.  Donald Ian Rankin   Jun-05-09 08:54 AM   #23 
                                         - what about settlements and Jerusalem? what should Olmert have included in the offer?  shira   Jun-05-09 05:32 PM   #25 
                                            - The removal of the settlements and East Jerusalem as the Palestinian capital  Ken Burch   Jun-07-09 07:23 PM   #47 
                                               - control of E.Jerusalem was already offered 9 years ago and rejected  shira   Jun-07-09 08:44 PM   #51 
                       - Disagree.  Donald Ian Rankin   Jun-05-09 06:18 AM   #19 
                       - yes, the online english talkback section is such a representative sample of Israeli opinion  shira   Jun-05-09 06:24 AM   #20 
                       - lol. YOU have a very, very low opinion of Arabs, Palestinians and Muslims  cali   Jun-05-09 06:35 AM   #21 
                          - evidence please? or is that some article of faith?  shira   Jun-05-09 06:42 AM   #22 
        - No,I'm a "no one who defends the settlements can truly say they're in favor of peace" nut  Ken Burch   Jun-04-09 09:12 PM   #8 
           - so Israel should abandon all settlements?  shira   Jun-05-09 05:34 PM   #26 
              - We know that isn't happening though  Vegasaurus   Jun-05-09 08:33 PM   #27 
              - UNRES 242 is based on secure and defensible borders  shira   Jun-06-09 07:14 AM   #28 
              - As I said on another thread  Vegasaurus   Jun-06-09 05:10 PM   #29 
                 - Bullshit. The settlements have never added anything to Israel's security  Ken Burch   Jun-06-09 06:43 PM   #30 
                    - the major settlements will be retained by Israel in exchange for a land swap  shira   Jun-06-09 06:47 PM   #31 
                       - If that major settlements are retained, that won't leave enough land to create a Palestinian state.  Ken Burch   Jun-06-09 07:21 PM   #32 
                       - are you for strict 1949 borders? please answer  shira   Jun-07-09 04:27 AM   #35 
                       - Israel has no more rights to the lands taken in 1967 than Saddam did to taking Kuwait  IndianaGreen   Jun-06-09 08:56 PM   #34 
                          - nonsense, UNRES 242 doesn't state that Israel must retreat behind 1949 armistice lines  shira   Jun-07-09 04:30 AM   #36 
                             - You are just trying to rationalize the existence of settlements in Judea and Samaria  IndianaGreen   Jun-07-09 12:54 PM   #38 
                                - yeah right, so what would be the difference if Israel retained parts of the W.Bank surrounding  shira   Jun-07-09 05:02 PM   #43 
                                   - Sorry, you only get one half of the Jerusalem enchilada  IndianaGreen   Jun-07-09 08:38 PM   #48 
                                      - the barrier is temporary and control of E.Jerusalem was already offered 9 years ago  shira   Jun-07-09 08:42 PM   #50 
              - It's those half-a-million peoples' presence that has been causing the wars  Ken Burch   Jun-06-09 07:25 PM   #33 
                 - nonsense, there were no settlers before 1967 so what started that war?  shira   Jun-07-09 04:42 AM   #37 
                 - the propaganda that it's the settlements which cause EVERY  Sezu   Jun-07-09 01:33 PM   #39 
                 - Your post admits two things  Ken Burch   Jun-07-09 07:20 PM   #46 
                    - LOL, happy delusions!  shira   Jun-07-09 08:50 PM   #52 
                 - I used to think it would never be "progressive"  Vegasaurus   Jun-07-09 02:16 PM   #40 
                    - That's not what people who back Palestinian self-determination support, and you know it.  Ken Burch   Jun-07-09 04:35 PM   #42 
                       - but your solution is to replace Israeli occupation with foreign occupation  shira   Jun-07-09 05:07 PM   #44 
                       - Your response is a non-sequitor, it's the old "it's all the 'Palestinian leadership's fault" canard  Ken Burch   Jun-07-09 05:23 PM   #45 
                          - again, your solution just replaces Israeli occupation with another foreign one  shira   Jun-07-09 08:39 PM   #49 
                       - The truth is  Vegasaurus   Jun-07-09 08:57 PM   #53 
                          - Keeping them under occupation doesn't protect them from "living like that"  Ken Burch   Jun-07-09 09:15 PM   #54 
                             - You want another Islamist country  Vegasaurus   Jun-08-09 07:45 PM   #59 
              - YES. Turn the settlements over the the Palestinians. It's their land. And the buildings will be a  chimpymustgo   Jun-07-09 02:36 PM   #41 
                 - Pssttt...chimpy's gone.  Jim Sagle   Jun-08-09 10:29 AM   #55 
  - Israel supporters should not be mortified  catbert836   Jun-08-09 11:24 AM   #56 
  - ending the settlements is official US policy now  Howardx   Jun-08-09 11:58 AM   #57 
     - Nope.  IDFbunny   Jun-08-09 02:03 PM   #58 
 

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