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kayecy Donating Member (931 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-13-09 01:59 AM
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22. I merely felt you both did not have sufficient data to support Pelsar's claim.....
Do you know what percentage of 1933 German Jews tried and failed to get out of Germany?
No idea. Do you know?

A maximum of 30%...However, of that 30%, many chose to stay in Germany and take their chances...How many, I guess we shall never know...My point is that for the majority of German Jews in the period 1933-40 there were choices and emigrating to Palestine was simply one of them.

About 60-70 thousand total last I saw. Here's one source:

Thank you...A total of 60,000 deaths of all the combatants, more or less what I would have guessed....Excluding the Lebanese wars, Gaza and the intifada.

Compare that with the following total of all combatants in uk conflicts:
Sinai - 3,260
Cyprus - Not available
Malaya - 704
Falklands - 910
Kosovo - 500
Gulf 1 & 2 - No data available
This adds up to a total of about 6,000 + Gulf 1&2 since 1948.

I think we are getting off the subject with here, but it was Pelsar who made the claim " Actually the US and the UK have killed and maimed far more people than israel has...the UK actually sunk a WWII battleship in the atlantic during the Falklands war (how many killed?)....." and you chose to support him...I merely felt you both did not have sufficient data to support Pelsar's claim.

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  -Running out of Solutions shira  May-05-09 04:50 AM   #0 
  - The Israeli left has only ever had one solution.  Donald Ian Rankin   May-05-09 08:54 AM   #1 
  - And it has been rejected by the Pals too it would seem  Sezu   May-05-09 10:17 AM   #2 
  - unilateral withdrawal from the W.Bank invites rockets on Tel Aviv and Jerusalem  shira   May-05-09 12:43 PM   #3 
     - Why not minimise the risk of your 'inevitable deaths' by .............  kayecy   May-05-09 01:38 PM   #4 
     - Continued occupation keeps the most Israelis safe  Vegasaurus   May-06-09 12:28 PM   #5 
     - And be damned to anyone else.......  kayecy   May-07-09 02:59 AM   #6 
     - look to recent history  shira   May-07-09 10:04 PM   #8 
        - Your '..end of occupation & settlements in Gaza 2005' was a sham...  kayecy   May-08-09 11:59 AM   #10 
        - and an end to occupation and settlements in the W.Bank will lead to peace?  shira   May-12-09 03:51 PM   #17 
        - Hardline Israeli security policies CANNOT LEAD TO A CHANGE IN THE PALESTINIAN LEADERSHIP  Ken Burch   May-09-09 08:13 PM   #13 
     - Continued occupation is what caused the rockets and the suicide bombers  Ken Burch   May-09-09 08:14 PM   #14 
        - so how's about what Kayecy thinks Obama will do with NATO occupying instead?  shira   May-12-09 03:57 PM   #20 
     - good idea...I'm all for it but you're now advocating that Palestinians be occupied by NATO  shira   May-07-09 09:57 PM   #7 
        - Care to put your money where your pen is?.......  kayecy   May-08-09 11:39 AM   #9 
           - then you're proposing that the Palestinians will have to still put up with occupation  shira   May-12-09 03:54 PM   #18 
              - kayecy, are you for NATO occupation of the territories once Israel withdraws?  shira   May-16-09 06:24 AM   #24 
                 - kayecy, I notice you hail from Nicosia Cyprus - do you realize how ironic it is of you to be opining  shira   May-16-09 09:11 AM   #28 
                    - hello, Kayecy?  shira   May-20-09 05:19 AM   #44 
     - Don't do it as unilateral withdrawal. Do it through negotiating with Palestinians as equal partners  Ken Burch   May-09-09 08:10 PM   #12 
        - that explains Lebanon 2000 also?  shira   May-12-09 03:55 PM   #19 
           - How many times do I have to point this out to you?  Donald Ian Rankin   May-16-09 06:29 AM   #25 
              - the UN recognized Israel's full 100% withdrawal from Lebanon  shira   May-16-09 06:37 AM   #26 
              - Because Israel continues to occupy Palestine, of course.  Donald Ian Rankin   May-16-09 09:46 AM   #29 
                 - WTF does Hizbullah have to do with the Palestinians?  shira   May-16-09 09:55 AM   #30 
                    - Yes, but not by killing civilians.  Donald Ian Rankin   May-16-09 10:04 AM   #31 
                       - begging the question  shira   May-16-09 01:35 PM   #33 
                       - No, I'm not equating - Israel kills far more people than the Palestinians.  Donald Ian Rankin   May-16-09 05:09 PM   #36 
                          - so self-defense is fine so long as civilians are never, ever killed?  shira   May-16-09 05:13 PM   #37 
                       - oh yeah, nearly forgot  shira   May-16-09 04:28 PM   #34 
                       - question...  Shaktimaan   May-20-09 06:00 AM   #45 
              - questions for you  shira   May-16-09 08:59 AM   #27 
  - On the question of "suffering":  Ken Burch   May-09-09 08:07 PM   #11 
  - So he's gone downhill as he got older.  bemildred   May-09-09 08:39 PM   #15 
  - shira - i have copied here your two messages from the sub-thread I was having with pelsar...  kayecy   May-12-09 07:37 AM   #16 
  - thanks.......this will do just fine  shira   May-12-09 04:01 PM   #21 
     - I merely felt you both did not have sufficient data to support Pelsar's claim.....  kayecy   May-13-09 01:59 AM   #22 
        - but we do have the data  shira   May-13-09 05:45 AM   #23 
           - Let me be clear..I do not blame any Jew for wanting to leave Germany during 1933 - 1940.....  kayecy   May-16-09 11:19 AM   # 
              - let's be realistic  shira   May-16-09 05:05 PM   #35 
                 - Forgive me but I'm an awfully skeptical sort of person....  kayecy   May-17-09 12:08 PM   #38 
                    - not skeptical enough  shira   May-17-09 11:24 PM   #39 
                       - Utter rubbish!...."easily over a million dead in the last 2 decades!.".....  kayecy   May-18-09 01:35 AM   #40 
                          - Iraq 1 and 2, sanctions against Iraq, Afghanistan....Brits knee-deep in responsibility for all this  shira   May-18-09 05:46 AM   #41 
                             - You have gratuitously included deaths due to UN sanctions...Was not Israel also a UN member?...  kayecy   May-18-09 08:34 AM   #42 
                                - the UN Security Council was responsible for the Iraq sanctions  shira   May-18-09 06:13 PM   #43 
  - ## PLEASE DONATE TO DEMOCRATIC UNDERGROUND! ##  DU GrovelBot   May-16-09 11:19 AM   #32 

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