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Donald Ian Rankin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-19-09 01:05 PM
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14. Can you point me to the last Israeli leader who offered to dismantle the settlements?
Rabin, I suppose, in the long run, but he was shot before he could make it more than a vague statement of intent.
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  -Gaza, remember? Jefferson23  Apr-19-09 09:49 AM   #0 
  - Gaza needs something better than a choice between Hamas and Israel  GoesTo11   Apr-19-09 10:00 AM   #1 
  - First rocket from Gaza in 11 days lands in Israel  Duckhunter935   Apr-19-09 10:11 AM   #2 
  - sage advice by the righteous Gideon Levy  shira   Apr-19-09 10:17 AM   #3 
  - I took it from the rest of that paragraph that he was being facetious  GoesTo11   Apr-19-09 11:26 AM   #6 
  - Yeah, I think anyone with any sort of reading comprehension skills would have seen that...  Violet_Crumble   Apr-20-09 07:24 AM   #33 
  - Sarcasm can be delicious if properly ingested n/t  Idealism   Apr-19-09 07:24 PM   #25 
  - Thought you might find this of interest that I believe addresses the  Jefferson23   Apr-19-09 10:41 AM   #5 
  - The Palestinians don't think they have anything to gain from non-violence.  Donald Ian Rankin   Apr-19-09 10:36 AM   #4 
     - But they're wrong  GoesTo11   Apr-19-09 11:33 AM   #7 
        - I'm not sure I agree, for two reasons: Israel's long term plans, and game theory.  Donald Ian Rankin   Apr-19-09 11:43 AM   #8 
           - I agree with much of what you say, but  GoesTo11   Apr-19-09 12:18 PM   #9 
           - The relevant question is "what do they think they gain".  Donald Ian Rankin   Apr-19-09 12:43 PM   #11 
           - One problem is nasty outsiders (vs. nice outsiders)  GoesTo11   Apr-19-09 01:19 PM   #16 
           - For one thing, they watched Hebzollah defeat Israel.  ProgressiveMuslim   Apr-20-09 06:32 AM   #31 
           - Can you give an example of "constructive action?"  ProgressiveMuslim   Apr-20-09 06:30 AM   #30 
           - Palestinian leadership has never renounced violence  shira   Apr-19-09 12:38 PM   #10 
              - Nor has Israel.  Donald Ian Rankin   Apr-19-09 01:01 PM   #12 
                 - um, okay....yeah  shira   Apr-19-09 01:03 PM   #13 
                    - Can you point me to the last Israeli leader who offered to dismantle the settlements?  Donald Ian Rankin   Apr-19-09 01:05 PM   #14 
                       - It happened in Gaza almost 4 years ago.  shira   Apr-19-09 01:18 PM   #15 
                          - Dismantling some of the settlements is like stopping firing some of the rockets.  Donald Ian Rankin   Apr-19-09 01:36 PM   #17 
                             - no, ALL settlements in Gaza were abandoned, not some  shira   Apr-19-09 02:04 PM   #18 
                                - Now you're being deliberately disingenuous.  Donald Ian Rankin   Apr-19-09 02:10 PM   #19 
                                   - what a bizarre and skewed view you have of this conflict  shira   Apr-19-09 02:35 PM   #20 
                                      - Yes, I do:  Donald Ian Rankin   Apr-19-09 03:10 PM   #21 
                                         - so Gaza 2005 should have brought more peace, not more war  shira   Apr-19-09 03:56 PM   #22 
                                         - Because it wasn't enough to reduce hostility.  Donald Ian Rankin   Apr-19-09 04:26 PM   #23 
                                         - It isn't about the Green Line  Vegasaurus   Apr-19-09 04:53 PM   #24 
                                            - It will bring peace with the 73% of Palestinians who support it...  shaayecanaan   Apr-19-09 08:33 PM   #26 
                                               - If 27% of the people want to continue terrorism, suicide bombings and rockets  Vegasaurus   Apr-19-09 09:49 PM   #27 
                                                  - Does your compassion about uprooting families extend to Palestinian families?  Donald Ian Rankin   Apr-20-09 02:28 AM   #28 
                                                     - The people who have lived in 40+ year old settlements did not uproot  Vegasaurus   Apr-20-09 05:34 AM   #29 
                                                        - You were asked if you felt compassion for Palestinian families put out of their homes...  Violet_Crumble   Apr-20-09 07:22 AM   #32 
                                                        - So what you are saying  Donald Ian Rankin   Apr-20-09 09:46 AM   #34 
                                                        - I said that the majority of the people who have lived for 40+ years  Vegasaurus   Apr-20-09 11:02 AM   #35 
                                                        - Yes, I think that Israel withdrawing to the Green Line will end the conflict.  Donald Ian Rankin   Apr-20-09 11:38 AM   #36 
                                                        - And a more specific reformulation of the question you've avoided:  Donald Ian Rankin   Apr-21-09 12:40 PM   #38 
                                                        - "The Palestinians do not have the upper hand and cannot make the same demands"  shaayecanaan   Apr-21-09 01:27 AM   #37 
 

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