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Wed Apr-22-09 05:00 PM
Response to Reply #112 |
| 115. it is? The EU paper shows how maximalist Arafat's demands were. |
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Wanting strict June 4, 1967 borders, not wanting to recognize any Jewish holy places in Jerusalem, demanding full right of return, no Israeli security on Jordan border, no Israeli airspace over the W.Bank, etc... is hardly evidence that Arafat and gang acted in good faith trying to do what was best for the Palestinian people.
Can you really say that you believe Arafat and his gang really tried to strike a deal at Taba?
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| -Emanuel Says Obama Insists On Implementing Two State Solution, No Ifs, Ands, or Buts |
ProgressiveMuslim |
Apr-16-09 12:39 PM |
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fantastic news |
Howardx |
Apr-16-09 12:46 PM |
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Finally. |
gcomeau |
Apr-16-09 12:46 PM |
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Word. |
bemildred |
Apr-16-09 12:47 PM |
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Wow, this certainly marks a departure... |
CoffeeCat |
Apr-16-09 12:49 PM |
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It's very significant that Mr Emmanuel is on board with this. |
bemildred |
Apr-16-09 12:54 PM |
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I'm ecstatic! Quick, someone get on the phone with Meshal! nt |
ProgressiveMuslim |
Apr-16-09 01:00 PM |
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LOL. Yeah, right. |
bemildred |
Apr-16-09 01:06 PM |
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I *am* ecstatic -- and I do home someone talks some sense into the Palestinian |
ProgressiveMuslim |
Apr-16-09 02:17 PM |
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Well all right. |
bemildred |
Apr-16-09 03:48 PM |
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Unity talks without the spotlight and pressure could be a great thing... |
ProgressiveMuslim |
Apr-16-09 04:10 PM |
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Could someone do a Marwan B. graphic in the style of the "HOPE" poster? |
Ken Burch |
Apr-22-09 11:56 PM |
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hamas's time to choose |
Howardx |
Apr-16-09 05:09 PM |
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I honestly don't think it's nihilism. |
ProgressiveMuslim |
Apr-16-09 08:05 PM |
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this is the key - hoping someone talks some sense into PA leadership |
shira |
Apr-17-09 07:44 AM |
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Everyone who posted on this thread is clear about the "key" and it involves |
ProgressiveMuslim |
Apr-17-09 07:49 AM |
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that "key" |
shira |
Apr-17-09 08:18 AM |
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If Barak hadn't walked, who knows where that would have ended? |
ProgressiveMuslim |
Apr-17-09 08:59 AM |
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yeah right, the "ceiling" or limit was rejected soundly by Arafat...what was there to negotiate? |
shira |
Apr-17-09 09:07 AM |
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You're so right. Israel's "ceiling" is sacred. Full steam ahead with apartheid! nt |
ProgressiveMuslim |
Apr-17-09 09:31 AM |
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Those were Clinton's parameters - what he viewed as Israel's ceiling. |
shira |
Apr-17-09 10:34 AM |
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We shall see. I would have thought a peace-lover such as yourself would be thrilled with |
ProgressiveMuslim |
Apr-17-09 10:39 AM |
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you're the one stating someone has to talk some sense into PA leadership |
shira |
Apr-17-09 11:04 AM |
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Shira... ever the word twister. |
ProgressiveMuslim |
Apr-17-09 12:14 PM |
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what was in 'bad faith' about the Taba initiatives via Prez Clinton that Israel agreed to |
shira |
Apr-17-09 05:42 PM |
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what was in 'bad faith' about the Taba initiatives via Prez Clinton that Israel agreed to |
shira |
Apr-17-09 05:42 PM |
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Weren't those talks suspended due to the Israeli elections? |
ProgressiveMuslim |
Apr-18-09 07:03 AM |
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nope - Israel's best offer by Clinton's standards was wholly rejected by Arafat |
shira |
Apr-18-09 07:15 AM |
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This is just nonsense Shira. |
ProgressiveMuslim |
Apr-18-09 07:26 AM |
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The 'ceiling' at Taba does not represent the 'floor' for further negotiations and THAT is why |
shira |
Apr-18-09 07:37 AM |
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You should help put some pressure on the gov't of Israel to make that concession. |
ProgressiveMuslim |
Apr-18-09 08:30 AM |
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Again with the bullshit, shira. Stop with your useless lies about Taba |
Idealism |
Apr-18-09 08:45 PM |
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bullshit and lies, right? |
shira |
Apr-19-09 09:16 AM |
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It is pretty bad when Wikipedia flat out refutes you, not to mention the European Union |
Idealism |
Apr-19-09 10:55 AM |
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once again, when you find something refuting Clinton, Barak, Ross, and ben-Ami, then I'm certain you |
shira |
Apr-19-09 12:27 PM |
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Your claim that Arafat caused Taba to fail is directly refuted by the EU. |
Idealism |
Apr-19-09 06:52 PM |
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it is? The EU paper shows how maximalist Arafat's demands were. |
shira |
Apr-22-09 05:00 PM |
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More from you: |
Jefferson23 |
Apr-19-09 07:23 PM |
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not exactly, Sherlock |
shira |
Apr-22-09 05:25 PM |
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Where is the link to your post? |
Jefferson23 |
Apr-22-09 07:42 PM |
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which post? try google with quotation marks. |
shira |
Apr-22-09 08:41 PM |
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Your post to me, post # 116, please provide the link. I don't go |
Jefferson23 |
Apr-22-09 08:46 PM |
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links |
shira |
Apr-22-09 09:28 PM |
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Thank you for posting the links. My concern is this, when you said |
Jefferson23 |
Apr-22-09 10:55 PM |
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so what does this prove in your opinion? I'm curious. |
shira |
Apr-23-09 05:25 AM |
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You have ignored what I addressed to you, I provided words from |
Jefferson23 |
Apr-23-09 08:05 AM |
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but even though Barak left 2 days early, what makes you think Arafat wanted to make peace? |
shira |
Apr-23-09 04:16 PM |
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crickets....how typical. |
shira |
Apr-24-09 05:36 AM |
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"The essence of the right of return is choice: Palestinians should be given |
rateyes |
Apr-27-09 12:39 PM |
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Official joint statement by Israel and the PA following the Taba talks |
shaayecanaan |
Apr-23-09 01:42 AM |
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it's called diplomacy - setting all sides up psychologically in the future for negotiations |
shira |
Apr-23-09 05:33 AM |
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Actually, its called a statement... |
shaayecanaan |
Apr-23-09 07:18 PM |
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of course it's a statement.......you don't seriously believe it do you? |
shira |
Apr-24-09 05:35 AM |
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yes, because the Israelis said so... |
shaayecanaan |
Apr-24-09 09:33 AM |
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so you believe the 2 sides were close to a deal b/c both sides said so? |
shira |
Apr-24-09 06:54 PM |
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So you don't believe the Israelis any more? |
shaayecanaan |
Apr-25-09 12:49 AM |
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answered in title of post #125 |
shira |
Apr-25-09 04:08 AM |
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well, its a start |
shaayecanaan |
Apr-26-09 02:23 AM |
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No, the key is to pressure Israel to offer an actual viable Palestinian state. |
Donald Ian Rankin |
Apr-17-09 09:10 AM |
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maybe you need to educate yourself |
shira |
Apr-17-09 10:38 AM |
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Even the nuance.... |
CoffeeCat |
Apr-16-09 01:00 PM |
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the wisdom of selecting rahm shines through |
Howardx |
Apr-16-09 01:21 PM |
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Well, this ought to give the BBC a break for a while. |
bemildred |
Apr-16-09 01:23 PM |
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hard to paint him as AIPACs mole in the White House but that's exactly |
cali |
Apr-16-09 01:24 PM |
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....and the Oscar for best political kabuki goes to |
IDFbunny |
Apr-22-09 04:39 PM |
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talk is cheap nt |
grassfed |
Apr-16-09 05:56 PM |
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Please see post #8. nt |
bemildred |
Apr-16-09 06:07 PM |
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Goddamn, that sounds good. |
cali |
Apr-16-09 01:06 PM |
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First trains, then this. |
liberalmuse |
Apr-16-09 01:13 PM |
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EXCELLENT NEWS!!!! and I love the I'll be out of town part, lol. |
Jefferson23 |
Apr-16-09 02:07 PM |
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The surprise is part about Netanyaho possibly |
azurnoir |
Apr-16-09 02:13 PM |
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The reactions, verbal and otherwise are going to be interesting to |
Jefferson23 |
Apr-16-09 04:38 PM |
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And using Iran as the carrot so to speak |
azurnoir |
Apr-16-09 02:15 PM |
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Deleted message |
Name removed |
Apr-16-09 03:46 PM |
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disgusting comment. truly beyond the pale. |
cali |
Apr-16-09 04:15 PM |
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There are people on this board who want the security wall |
Sezu |
Apr-16-09 06:40 PM |
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Convenience for whom, that's the question? |
bemildred |
Apr-16-09 07:12 PM |
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If Israel feels it needs a "security" wall, it must build it on its own land. |
Donald Ian Rankin |
Apr-16-09 07:27 PM |
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Where was your anger when Israel decided to assassinate dozens of Palestinian leaders? |
Idealism |
Apr-16-09 10:49 PM |
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My, my. This will certainly shine the light on those whose *talk* peace and those who work for |
ProgressiveMuslim |
Apr-16-09 04:15 PM |
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hehe |
Howardx |
Apr-16-09 05:07 PM |
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You'd prefer a one-state solution? |
Donald Ian Rankin |
Apr-16-09 04:34 PM |
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Nah... Sezu has a thing for apartheid... so long as her people aren't on the wrong side of the wall. |
ProgressiveMuslim |
Apr-16-09 04:45 PM |
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Good for him, and good luck to him! |
LeftishBrit |
Apr-16-09 04:26 PM |
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I'll believe it when I see it, but at least he's talking the talk. N.T. |
Donald Ian Rankin |
Apr-16-09 04:27 PM |
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Skepticism is warranted, but you have to ask yourself why they would bother |
bemildred |
Apr-16-09 06:26 PM |
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Mitchell rejected recent publications the US President Barack Obama refused to meet with Netanyahu |
oberliner |
Apr-16-09 05:01 PM |
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heres a link... |
Howardx |
Apr-16-09 05:13 PM |
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Reuters "Obama envoy tells Israel U.S. wants Palestinian state |
Howardx |
Apr-16-09 05:18 PM |
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Why does he not link to the Hebrew version? |
oberliner |
Apr-16-09 05:20 PM |
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cant you go to the website |
Howardx |
Apr-16-09 05:23 PM |
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Yedioth Achronoth |
Howardx |
Apr-16-09 05:25 PM |
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I can't find the article on that site |
oberliner |
Apr-16-09 10:45 PM |
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The above said," will not meet "not refused and Obama would not be |
Jefferson23 |
Apr-16-09 05:15 PM |
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But where is the original article that the OP is reporting on |
oberliner |
Apr-16-09 05:21 PM |
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There's an article on it at ynetnews |
Donald Ian Rankin |
Apr-16-09 05:25 PM |
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I read that too and thought it interesting that the critics are focusing |
Jefferson23 |
Apr-16-09 06:25 PM |
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If I find it, I'll post it here. |
Jefferson23 |
Apr-16-09 06:27 PM |
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Do you read Hebrew? |
ProgressiveMuslim |
Apr-16-09 08:03 PM |
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Does the author of the OP read Hebrew? |
oberliner |
Apr-16-09 10:44 PM |
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How come you're so cagey? Do you read Hebrew? |
ProgressiveMuslim |
Apr-17-09 07:58 AM |
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Where is the original article? |
oberliner |
Apr-17-09 08:48 AM |
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MJ Rosenberg isn't a very credible source |
shira |
Apr-17-09 08:54 AM |
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Why do you say MJ Rosenberg is not a reliable source? |
Meshuga |
Apr-23-09 03:32 PM |
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The issue isn't one that can be "proven" with the article. |
ProgressiveMuslim |
Apr-17-09 08:59 AM |
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Well I would say there are two issues |
oberliner |
Apr-17-09 09:21 AM |
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What's the second issue? |
ProgressiveMuslim |
Apr-17-09 10:39 AM |
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Well if this is verified, then the second issue is what this would mean for the peace process |
oberliner |
Apr-17-09 11:55 AM |
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For someone who claims it's a positive sign, yr not indicating that in yr posts... |
Violet_Crumble |
Apr-18-09 04:23 AM |
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The Emanuel conversation and the scheduled meeting between Obama and Netanyahu |
oberliner |
Apr-18-09 04:49 AM |
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I've rarely if ever seen anyone so determined to write an article off as bullshit... |
Violet_Crumble |
Apr-19-09 07:30 AM |
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It's a pet peeve of mine |
oberliner |
Apr-19-09 09:23 AM |
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I, too, was underwhelmed by your response Oberliner. |
ProgressiveMuslim |
Apr-18-09 07:28 AM |
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And I am shocked that this dubious story is being accepted so readily |
oberliner |
Apr-18-09 07:49 AM |
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Oberliner, this is but one of many signs that indicate Obama could be playing |
ProgressiveMuslim |
Apr-18-09 08:56 AM |
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I think one aspect of this story I'm sure you've noticed and that is, so |
Jefferson23 |
Apr-18-09 08:03 PM |
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It's really not "out there" in any sense of the word |
oberliner |
Apr-19-09 11:54 AM |
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The point is oberliner, IT IS out there, even the Christian Science Monitor |
Jefferson23 |
Apr-19-09 05:04 PM |
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Interesting |
oberliner |
Apr-19-09 05:20 PM |
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What a relief, huh? |
ProgressiveMuslim |
Apr-16-09 06:27 PM |
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It's all about control. |
bemildred |
Apr-16-09 06:35 PM |
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I'm struck by the near-total absense of posts from traditionally anti-Palestinian posters |
Donald Ian Rankin |
Apr-16-09 07:22 PM |
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They're busy posting about hezbollah terror attacks in tel Aviv... gotta correct the mood, people! |
ProgressiveMuslim |
Apr-16-09 07:38 PM |
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They are awaiting instructions from Likud and/or Yisrael Beitenu |
IndianaGreen |
Apr-16-09 10:05 PM |
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your shit stirring here is a striking depiction of |
cali |
Apr-17-09 06:19 AM |
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Yeah, and all this time they were saying they were for a 2-state solution... |
shaayecanaan |
Apr-16-09 10:32 PM |
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well most likely they do support a two state solution however |
azurnoir |
Apr-16-09 11:06 PM |
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I love President Obama very much (I REALLY do) but I will believe it when I see it! |
Douglas Carpenter |
Apr-16-09 09:51 PM |
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I listen to Democracy Now too faithfully to *love* Obama but I did find this exciting! nt |
ProgressiveMuslim |
Apr-17-09 10:34 AM |
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Here's some more background on the Clinton/Mitchell strategy |
HamdenRice |
Apr-17-09 06:58 AM |
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If that's the strategy, this won't work |
shira |
Apr-17-09 11:30 AM |
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Yeas, everybody avoids the elephant in the room |
Sezu |
Apr-17-09 02:09 PM |
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Can;t make peace with people who don't want peace |
Vegasaurus |
Apr-17-09 04:01 PM |
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Hamas are teddy bears |
shira |
Apr-17-09 05:40 PM |
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Yes! Then they will be handing out candies |
Vegasaurus |
Apr-18-09 06:53 AM |
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More on the report, from Richard Silverstein |
ProgressiveMuslim |
Apr-17-09 07:57 AM |
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Wow. That's very encouraging. |
Barack_America |
Apr-17-09 04:11 PM |
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One of my concerns about Obama has vanished... |
Violet_Crumble |
Apr-18-09 04:31 AM |
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