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99. And I am shocked that this dubious story is being accepted so readily
Especially by someone who is as skeptical about unsourced alleged quotes, inaccurately translated news items, and reporting from Ynet generally as you are.

If this conversation between Emanuel and a "leading American Jewish figure" actually took place, it is hard to believe that it would not have been reported somewhere in the multitude of Jewish American news sources that exist.

If Ynet has scooped the rest of the journalistic world and is the only source that has been given access to this hugely significant statement from Emanuel, it seems bizarre that they would not include it on either their English or Hebrew online editions.

And the second part of the blogger's version of the story regarding the Netanyahu-Obama meeting in the US has been directly contradicted elsewhere in the same newspaper.

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  -Emanuel Says Obama Insists On Implementing Two State Solution, No Ifs, Ands, or Buts ProgressiveMuslim  Apr-16-09 12:39 PM   #0 
  - fantastic news  Howardx   Apr-16-09 12:46 PM   #1 
  - Finally.  gcomeau   Apr-16-09 12:46 PM   #2 
  - Word.  bemildred   Apr-16-09 12:47 PM   #3 
  - Wow, this certainly marks a departure...  CoffeeCat   Apr-16-09 12:49 PM   #4 
  - It's very significant that Mr Emmanuel is on board with this.  bemildred   Apr-16-09 12:54 PM   #5 
     - I'm ecstatic! Quick, someone get on the phone with Meshal! nt  ProgressiveMuslim   Apr-16-09 01:00 PM   #6 
     - LOL. Yeah, right.  bemildred   Apr-16-09 01:06 PM   #8 
        - I *am* ecstatic -- and I do home someone talks some sense into the Palestinian  ProgressiveMuslim   Apr-16-09 02:17 PM   #17 
           - Well all right.  bemildred   Apr-16-09 03:48 PM   #19 
           - Unity talks without the spotlight and pressure could be a great thing...  ProgressiveMuslim   Apr-16-09 04:10 PM   #20 
           - Could someone do a Marwan B. graphic in the style of the "HOPE" poster?  Ken Burch   Apr-22-09 11:56 PM   #122 
           - hamas's time to choose  Howardx   Apr-16-09 05:09 PM   #30 
              - I honestly don't think it's nihilism.  ProgressiveMuslim   Apr-16-09 08:05 PM   #52 
           - this is the key - hoping someone talks some sense into PA leadership  shira   Apr-17-09 07:44 AM   #62 
              - Everyone who posted on this thread is clear about the "key" and it involves  ProgressiveMuslim   Apr-17-09 07:49 AM   #63 
                 - that "key"  shira   Apr-17-09 08:18 AM   #66 
                    - If Barak hadn't walked, who knows where that would have ended?  ProgressiveMuslim   Apr-17-09 08:59 AM   #70 
                    - yeah right, the "ceiling" or limit was rejected soundly by Arafat...what was there to negotiate?  shira   Apr-17-09 09:07 AM   #71 
                       - You're so right. Israel's "ceiling" is sacred. Full steam ahead with apartheid! nt  ProgressiveMuslim   Apr-17-09 09:31 AM   #74 
                          - Those were Clinton's parameters - what he viewed as Israel's ceiling.  shira   Apr-17-09 10:34 AM   #75 
                             - We shall see. I would have thought a peace-lover such as yourself would be thrilled with  ProgressiveMuslim   Apr-17-09 10:39 AM   #78 
                                - you're the one stating someone has to talk some sense into PA leadership  shira   Apr-17-09 11:04 AM   #80 
                                   - Shira... ever the word twister.  ProgressiveMuslim   Apr-17-09 12:14 PM   #83 
                                      - what was in 'bad faith' about the Taba initiatives via Prez Clinton that Israel agreed to  shira   Apr-17-09 05:42 PM   #88 
                                      - what was in 'bad faith' about the Taba initiatives via Prez Clinton that Israel agreed to  shira   Apr-17-09 05:42 PM   #89 
                                         - Weren't those talks suspended due to the Israeli elections?  ProgressiveMuslim   Apr-18-09 07:03 AM   #94 
                                            - nope - Israel's best offer by Clinton's standards was wholly rejected by Arafat  shira   Apr-18-09 07:15 AM   #95 
                                               - This is just nonsense Shira.  ProgressiveMuslim   Apr-18-09 07:26 AM   #96 
                                               - The 'ceiling' at Taba does not represent the 'floor' for further negotiations and THAT is why  shira   Apr-18-09 07:37 AM   #98 
                                               - You should help put some pressure on the gov't of Israel to make that concession.  ProgressiveMuslim   Apr-18-09 08:30 AM   #100 
                                               - Again with the bullshit, shira. Stop with your useless lies about Taba  Idealism   Apr-18-09 08:45 PM   #103 
                                               - bullshit and lies, right?  shira   Apr-19-09 09:16 AM   #105 
                                               - It is pretty bad when Wikipedia flat out refutes you, not to mention the European Union  Idealism   Apr-19-09 10:55 AM   #107 
                                               - once again, when you find something refuting Clinton, Barak, Ross, and ben-Ami, then I'm certain you  shira   Apr-19-09 12:27 PM   #109 
                                               - Your claim that Arafat caused Taba to fail is directly refuted by the EU.  Idealism   Apr-19-09 06:52 PM   #112 
                                               - it is? The EU paper shows how maximalist Arafat's demands were.  shira   Apr-22-09 05:00 PM   #115 
                                               - More from you:  Jefferson23   Apr-19-09 07:23 PM   #113 
                                               - not exactly, Sherlock  shira   Apr-22-09 05:25 PM   #116 
                                               - Where is the link to your post?  Jefferson23   Apr-22-09 07:42 PM   #117 
                                               - which post? try google with quotation marks.  shira   Apr-22-09 08:41 PM   #118 
                                               - Your post to me, post # 116, please provide the link. I don't go  Jefferson23   Apr-22-09 08:46 PM   #119 
                                               - links  shira   Apr-22-09 09:28 PM   #120 
                                               - Thank you for posting the links. My concern is this, when you said  Jefferson23   Apr-22-09 10:55 PM   #121 
                                               - so what does this prove in your opinion? I'm curious.  shira   Apr-23-09 05:25 AM   #124 
                                               - You have ignored what I addressed to you, I provided words from  Jefferson23   Apr-23-09 08:05 AM   #126 
                                               - but even though Barak left 2 days early, what makes you think Arafat wanted to make peace?  shira   Apr-23-09 04:16 PM   #128 
                                               - typical.  shira   Apr-24-09 05:36 AM   #131 
                                               - "The essence of the right of return is choice: Palestinians should be given  rateyes   Apr-27-09 12:39 PM   #137 
                                               - Official joint statement by Israel and the PA following the Taba talks  shaayecanaan   Apr-23-09 01:42 AM   #123 
                                               - it's called diplomacy - setting all sides up psychologically in the future for negotiations  shira   Apr-23-09 05:33 AM   #125 
                                               - Actually, its called a statement...  shaayecanaan   Apr-23-09 07:18 PM   #129 
                                               - of course it's a don't seriously believe it do you?  shira   Apr-24-09 05:35 AM   #130 
                                               - yes, because the Israelis said so...  shaayecanaan   Apr-24-09 09:33 AM   #132 
                                               - so you believe the 2 sides were close to a deal b/c both sides said so?  shira   Apr-24-09 06:54 PM   #133 
                                               - So you don't believe the Israelis any more?  shaayecanaan   Apr-25-09 12:49 AM   #134 
                                               - answered in title of post #125  shira   Apr-25-09 04:08 AM   #135 
                                               - well, its a start  shaayecanaan   Apr-26-09 02:23 AM   #136 
                    - No, the key is to pressure Israel to offer an actual viable Palestinian state.  Donald Ian Rankin   Apr-17-09 09:10 AM   #72 
                       - maybe you need to educate yourself  shira   Apr-17-09 10:38 AM   #77 
     - Even the nuance....  CoffeeCat   Apr-16-09 01:00 PM   #7 
     - the wisdom of selecting rahm shines through  Howardx   Apr-16-09 01:21 PM   #11 
     - Well, this ought to give the BBC a break for a while.  bemildred   Apr-16-09 01:23 PM   #12 
     - hard to paint him as AIPACs mole in the White House but that's exactly  cali   Apr-16-09 01:24 PM   #13 
        - ....and the Oscar for best political kabuki goes to  IDFbunny   Apr-22-09 04:39 PM   #114 
     - talk is cheap nt  grassfed   Apr-16-09 05:56 PM   #39 
        - Please see post #8. nt  bemildred   Apr-16-09 06:07 PM   #40 
  - Goddamn, that sounds good.  cali   Apr-16-09 01:06 PM   #9 
  - First trains, then this.  liberalmuse   Apr-16-09 01:13 PM   #10 
  - EXCELLENT NEWS!!!! and I love the I'll be out of town part, lol.  Jefferson23   Apr-16-09 02:07 PM   #14 
  - The surprise is part about Netanyaho possibly  azurnoir   Apr-16-09 02:13 PM   #15 
     - The reactions, verbal and otherwise are going to be interesting to  Jefferson23   Apr-16-09 04:38 PM   #26 
  - And using Iran as the carrot so to speak  azurnoir   Apr-16-09 02:15 PM   #16 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Apr-16-09 03:46 PM   #18 
  - disgusting comment. truly beyond the pale.  cali   Apr-16-09 04:15 PM   #21 
  - There are people on this board who want the security wall  Sezu   Apr-16-09 06:40 PM   #46 
     - Convenience for whom, that's the question?  bemildred   Apr-16-09 07:12 PM   #47 
     - If Israel feels it needs a "security" wall, it must build it on its own land.  Donald Ian Rankin   Apr-16-09 07:27 PM   #49 
     - Where was your anger when Israel decided to assassinate dozens of Palestinian leaders?  Idealism   Apr-16-09 10:49 PM   #58 
  - My, my. This will certainly shine the light on those whose *talk* peace and those who work for  ProgressiveMuslim   Apr-16-09 04:15 PM   #22 
  - hehe  Howardx   Apr-16-09 05:07 PM   #29 
  - You'd prefer a one-state solution?  Donald Ian Rankin   Apr-16-09 04:34 PM   #25 
     - Nah... Sezu has a thing for apartheid... so long as her people aren't on the wrong side of the wall.  ProgressiveMuslim   Apr-16-09 04:45 PM   #27 
  - Good for him, and good luck to him!  LeftishBrit   Apr-16-09 04:26 PM   #23 
  - I'll believe it when I see it, but at least he's talking the talk. N.T.  Donald Ian Rankin   Apr-16-09 04:27 PM   #24 
  - Skepticism is warranted, but you have to ask yourself why they would bother  bemildred   Apr-16-09 06:26 PM   #42 
  - Mitchell rejected recent publications the US President Barack Obama refused to meet with Netanyahu  oberliner   Apr-16-09 05:01 PM   #28 
  - heres a link...  Howardx   Apr-16-09 05:13 PM   #31 
  - Reuters "Obama envoy tells Israel U.S. wants Palestinian state  Howardx   Apr-16-09 05:18 PM   #33 
  - Why does he not link to the Hebrew version?  oberliner   Apr-16-09 05:20 PM   #34 
     - cant you go to the website  Howardx   Apr-16-09 05:23 PM   #36 
        - Yedioth Achronoth  Howardx   Apr-16-09 05:25 PM   #37 
           - I can't find the article on that site  oberliner   Apr-16-09 10:45 PM   #57 
  - The above said," will not meet "not refused and Obama would not be  Jefferson23   Apr-16-09 05:15 PM   #32 
  - But where is the original article that the OP is reporting on  oberliner   Apr-16-09 05:21 PM   #35 
  - There's an article on it at ynetnews  Donald Ian Rankin   Apr-16-09 05:25 PM   #38 
  - I read that too and thought it interesting that the critics are focusing  Jefferson23   Apr-16-09 06:25 PM   #41 
  - If I find it, I'll post it here.  Jefferson23   Apr-16-09 06:27 PM   #43 
  - Do you read Hebrew?  ProgressiveMuslim   Apr-16-09 08:03 PM   #51 
     - Does the author of the OP read Hebrew?  oberliner   Apr-16-09 10:44 PM   #56 
        - How come you're so cagey? Do you read Hebrew?  ProgressiveMuslim   Apr-17-09 07:58 AM   #65 
           - Where is the original article?  oberliner   Apr-17-09 08:48 AM   #67 
              - MJ Rosenberg isn't a very credible source  shira   Apr-17-09 08:54 AM   #68 
              - Why do you say MJ Rosenberg is not a reliable source?  Meshuga   Apr-23-09 03:32 PM   #127 
              - The issue isn't one that can be "proven" with the article.  ProgressiveMuslim   Apr-17-09 08:59 AM   #69 
                 - Well I would say there are two issues  oberliner   Apr-17-09 09:21 AM   #73 
                    - What's the second issue?  ProgressiveMuslim   Apr-17-09 10:39 AM   #79 
                       - Well if this is verified, then the second issue is what this would mean for the peace process  oberliner   Apr-17-09 11:55 AM   #82 
                          - For someone who claims it's a positive sign, yr not indicating that in yr posts...  Violet_Crumble   Apr-18-09 04:23 AM   #90 
                             - The Emanuel conversation and the scheduled meeting between Obama and Netanyahu  oberliner   Apr-18-09 04:49 AM   #92 
                             - I've rarely if ever seen anyone so determined to write an article off as bullshit...  Violet_Crumble   Apr-19-09 07:30 AM   #104 
                                - It's a pet peeve of mine  oberliner   Apr-19-09 09:23 AM   #106 
                             - I, too, was underwhelmed by your response Oberliner.  ProgressiveMuslim   Apr-18-09 07:28 AM   #97 
                                - And I am shocked that this dubious story is being accepted so readily  oberliner   Apr-18-09 07:49 AM   #99 
                                   - Oberliner, this is but one of many signs that indicate Obama could be playing  ProgressiveMuslim   Apr-18-09 08:56 AM   #101 
                                   - I think one aspect of this story I'm sure you've noticed and that is, so  Jefferson23   Apr-18-09 08:03 PM   #102 
                                      - It's really not "out there" in any sense of the word  oberliner   Apr-19-09 11:54 AM   #108 
                                         - The point is oberliner, IT IS out there, even the Christian Science Monitor  Jefferson23   Apr-19-09 05:04 PM   #110 
                                            - Interesting  oberliner   Apr-19-09 05:20 PM   #111 
  - What a relief, huh?  ProgressiveMuslim   Apr-16-09 06:27 PM   #44 
  - It's all about control.  bemildred   Apr-16-09 06:35 PM   #45 
  - I'm struck by the near-total absense of posts from traditionally anti-Palestinian posters  Donald Ian Rankin   Apr-16-09 07:22 PM   #48 
  - They're busy posting about hezbollah terror attacks in tel Aviv... gotta correct the mood, people!  ProgressiveMuslim   Apr-16-09 07:38 PM   #50 
  - They are awaiting instructions from Likud and/or Yisrael Beitenu  IndianaGreen   Apr-16-09 10:05 PM   #54 
  - your shit stirring here is a striking depiction of  cali   Apr-17-09 06:19 AM   #60 
  - Yeah, and all this time they were saying they were for a 2-state solution...  shaayecanaan   Apr-16-09 10:32 PM   #55 
     - well most likely they do support a two state solution however  azurnoir   Apr-16-09 11:06 PM   #59 
  - I love President Obama very much (I REALLY do) but I will believe it when I see it!  Douglas Carpenter   Apr-16-09 09:51 PM   #53 
  - I listen to Democracy Now too faithfully to *love* Obama but I did find this exciting! nt  ProgressiveMuslim   Apr-17-09 10:34 AM   #76 
  - Here's some more background on the Clinton/Mitchell strategy  HamdenRice   Apr-17-09 06:58 AM   #61 
  - If that's the strategy, this won't work  shira   Apr-17-09 11:30 AM   #81 
     - Yeas, everybody avoids the elephant in the room  Sezu   Apr-17-09 02:09 PM   #84 
     - Can;t make peace with people who don't want peace  Vegasaurus   Apr-17-09 04:01 PM   #85 
        - Hamas are teddy bears  shira   Apr-17-09 05:40 PM   #87 
           - Yes! Then they will be handing out candies  Vegasaurus   Apr-18-09 06:53 AM   #93 
  - More on the report, from Richard Silverstein  ProgressiveMuslim   Apr-17-09 07:57 AM   #64 
     - Wow. That's very encouraging.  Barack_America   Apr-17-09 04:11 PM   #86 
     - One of my concerns about Obama has vanished...  Violet_Crumble   Apr-18-09 04:31 AM   #91 

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