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Thu Apr-16-09 11:06 PM
Response to Reply #55 |
| 59. well most likely they do support a two state solution however |
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I don't think Israel and Jordan is what President Obama has in mind
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| -Emanuel Says Obama Insists On Implementing Two State Solution, No Ifs, Ands, or Buts |
ProgressiveMuslim |
Apr-16-09 12:39 PM |
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fantastic news |
Howardx |
Apr-16-09 12:46 PM |
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Finally. |
gcomeau |
Apr-16-09 12:46 PM |
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Word. |
bemildred |
Apr-16-09 12:47 PM |
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Wow, this certainly marks a departure... |
CoffeeCat |
Apr-16-09 12:49 PM |
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It's very significant that Mr Emmanuel is on board with this. |
bemildred |
Apr-16-09 12:54 PM |
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I'm ecstatic! Quick, someone get on the phone with Meshal! nt |
ProgressiveMuslim |
Apr-16-09 01:00 PM |
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LOL. Yeah, right. |
bemildred |
Apr-16-09 01:06 PM |
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I *am* ecstatic -- and I do home someone talks some sense into the Palestinian |
ProgressiveMuslim |
Apr-16-09 02:17 PM |
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Well all right. |
bemildred |
Apr-16-09 03:48 PM |
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Unity talks without the spotlight and pressure could be a great thing... |
ProgressiveMuslim |
Apr-16-09 04:10 PM |
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Could someone do a Marwan B. graphic in the style of the "HOPE" poster? |
Ken Burch |
Apr-22-09 11:56 PM |
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hamas's time to choose |
Howardx |
Apr-16-09 05:09 PM |
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I honestly don't think it's nihilism. |
ProgressiveMuslim |
Apr-16-09 08:05 PM |
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this is the key - hoping someone talks some sense into PA leadership |
shira |
Apr-17-09 07:44 AM |
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Everyone who posted on this thread is clear about the "key" and it involves |
ProgressiveMuslim |
Apr-17-09 07:49 AM |
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that "key" |
shira |
Apr-17-09 08:18 AM |
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If Barak hadn't walked, who knows where that would have ended? |
ProgressiveMuslim |
Apr-17-09 08:59 AM |
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yeah right, the "ceiling" or limit was rejected soundly by Arafat...what was there to negotiate? |
shira |
Apr-17-09 09:07 AM |
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You're so right. Israel's "ceiling" is sacred. Full steam ahead with apartheid! nt |
ProgressiveMuslim |
Apr-17-09 09:31 AM |
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Those were Clinton's parameters - what he viewed as Israel's ceiling. |
shira |
Apr-17-09 10:34 AM |
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We shall see. I would have thought a peace-lover such as yourself would be thrilled with |
ProgressiveMuslim |
Apr-17-09 10:39 AM |
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you're the one stating someone has to talk some sense into PA leadership |
shira |
Apr-17-09 11:04 AM |
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Shira... ever the word twister. |
ProgressiveMuslim |
Apr-17-09 12:14 PM |
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what was in 'bad faith' about the Taba initiatives via Prez Clinton that Israel agreed to |
shira |
Apr-17-09 05:42 PM |
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what was in 'bad faith' about the Taba initiatives via Prez Clinton that Israel agreed to |
shira |
Apr-17-09 05:42 PM |
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Weren't those talks suspended due to the Israeli elections? |
ProgressiveMuslim |
Apr-18-09 07:03 AM |
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nope - Israel's best offer by Clinton's standards was wholly rejected by Arafat |
shira |
Apr-18-09 07:15 AM |
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This is just nonsense Shira. |
ProgressiveMuslim |
Apr-18-09 07:26 AM |
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The 'ceiling' at Taba does not represent the 'floor' for further negotiations and THAT is why |
shira |
Apr-18-09 07:37 AM |
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You should help put some pressure on the gov't of Israel to make that concession. |
ProgressiveMuslim |
Apr-18-09 08:30 AM |
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Again with the bullshit, shira. Stop with your useless lies about Taba |
Idealism |
Apr-18-09 08:45 PM |
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bullshit and lies, right? |
shira |
Apr-19-09 09:16 AM |
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It is pretty bad when Wikipedia flat out refutes you, not to mention the European Union |
Idealism |
Apr-19-09 10:55 AM |
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once again, when you find something refuting Clinton, Barak, Ross, and ben-Ami, then I'm certain you |
shira |
Apr-19-09 12:27 PM |
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Your claim that Arafat caused Taba to fail is directly refuted by the EU. |
Idealism |
Apr-19-09 06:52 PM |
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it is? The EU paper shows how maximalist Arafat's demands were. |
shira |
Apr-22-09 05:00 PM |
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More from you: |
Jefferson23 |
Apr-19-09 07:23 PM |
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not exactly, Sherlock |
shira |
Apr-22-09 05:25 PM |
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Where is the link to your post? |
Jefferson23 |
Apr-22-09 07:42 PM |
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which post? try google with quotation marks. |
shira |
Apr-22-09 08:41 PM |
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Your post to me, post # 116, please provide the link. I don't go |
Jefferson23 |
Apr-22-09 08:46 PM |
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links |
shira |
Apr-22-09 09:28 PM |
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Thank you for posting the links. My concern is this, when you said |
Jefferson23 |
Apr-22-09 10:55 PM |
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so what does this prove in your opinion? I'm curious. |
shira |
Apr-23-09 05:25 AM |
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You have ignored what I addressed to you, I provided words from |
Jefferson23 |
Apr-23-09 08:05 AM |
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but even though Barak left 2 days early, what makes you think Arafat wanted to make peace? |
shira |
Apr-23-09 04:16 PM |
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crickets....how typical. |
shira |
Apr-24-09 05:36 AM |
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"The essence of the right of return is choice: Palestinians should be given |
rateyes |
Apr-27-09 12:39 PM |
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Official joint statement by Israel and the PA following the Taba talks |
shaayecanaan |
Apr-23-09 01:42 AM |
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it's called diplomacy - setting all sides up psychologically in the future for negotiations |
shira |
Apr-23-09 05:33 AM |
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Actually, its called a statement... |
shaayecanaan |
Apr-23-09 07:18 PM |
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of course it's a statement.......you don't seriously believe it do you? |
shira |
Apr-24-09 05:35 AM |
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yes, because the Israelis said so... |
shaayecanaan |
Apr-24-09 09:33 AM |
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so you believe the 2 sides were close to a deal b/c both sides said so? |
shira |
Apr-24-09 06:54 PM |
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So you don't believe the Israelis any more? |
shaayecanaan |
Apr-25-09 12:49 AM |
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answered in title of post #125 |
shira |
Apr-25-09 04:08 AM |
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well, its a start |
shaayecanaan |
Apr-26-09 02:23 AM |
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No, the key is to pressure Israel to offer an actual viable Palestinian state. |
Donald Ian Rankin |
Apr-17-09 09:10 AM |
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maybe you need to educate yourself |
shira |
Apr-17-09 10:38 AM |
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Even the nuance.... |
CoffeeCat |
Apr-16-09 01:00 PM |
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the wisdom of selecting rahm shines through |
Howardx |
Apr-16-09 01:21 PM |
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Well, this ought to give the BBC a break for a while. |
bemildred |
Apr-16-09 01:23 PM |
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hard to paint him as AIPACs mole in the White House but that's exactly |
cali |
Apr-16-09 01:24 PM |
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....and the Oscar for best political kabuki goes to |
IDFbunny |
Apr-22-09 04:39 PM |
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talk is cheap nt |
grassfed |
Apr-16-09 05:56 PM |
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Please see post #8. nt |
bemildred |
Apr-16-09 06:07 PM |
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Goddamn, that sounds good. |
cali |
Apr-16-09 01:06 PM |
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First trains, then this. |
liberalmuse |
Apr-16-09 01:13 PM |
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EXCELLENT NEWS!!!! and I love the I'll be out of town part, lol. |
Jefferson23 |
Apr-16-09 02:07 PM |
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The surprise is part about Netanyaho possibly |
azurnoir |
Apr-16-09 02:13 PM |
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The reactions, verbal and otherwise are going to be interesting to |
Jefferson23 |
Apr-16-09 04:38 PM |
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And using Iran as the carrot so to speak |
azurnoir |
Apr-16-09 02:15 PM |
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Name removed |
Apr-16-09 03:46 PM |
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disgusting comment. truly beyond the pale. |
cali |
Apr-16-09 04:15 PM |
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There are people on this board who want the security wall |
Sezu |
Apr-16-09 06:40 PM |
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Convenience for whom, that's the question? |
bemildred |
Apr-16-09 07:12 PM |
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If Israel feels it needs a "security" wall, it must build it on its own land. |
Donald Ian Rankin |
Apr-16-09 07:27 PM |
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Where was your anger when Israel decided to assassinate dozens of Palestinian leaders? |
Idealism |
Apr-16-09 10:49 PM |
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My, my. This will certainly shine the light on those whose *talk* peace and those who work for |
ProgressiveMuslim |
Apr-16-09 04:15 PM |
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hehe |
Howardx |
Apr-16-09 05:07 PM |
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You'd prefer a one-state solution? |
Donald Ian Rankin |
Apr-16-09 04:34 PM |
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Nah... Sezu has a thing for apartheid... so long as her people aren't on the wrong side of the wall. |
ProgressiveMuslim |
Apr-16-09 04:45 PM |
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Good for him, and good luck to him! |
LeftishBrit |
Apr-16-09 04:26 PM |
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I'll believe it when I see it, but at least he's talking the talk. N.T. |
Donald Ian Rankin |
Apr-16-09 04:27 PM |
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Skepticism is warranted, but you have to ask yourself why they would bother |
bemildred |
Apr-16-09 06:26 PM |
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Mitchell rejected recent publications the US President Barack Obama refused to meet with Netanyahu |
oberliner |
Apr-16-09 05:01 PM |
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heres a link... |
Howardx |
Apr-16-09 05:13 PM |
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Reuters "Obama envoy tells Israel U.S. wants Palestinian state |
Howardx |
Apr-16-09 05:18 PM |
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Why does he not link to the Hebrew version? |
oberliner |
Apr-16-09 05:20 PM |
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cant you go to the website |
Howardx |
Apr-16-09 05:23 PM |
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Yedioth Achronoth |
Howardx |
Apr-16-09 05:25 PM |
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I can't find the article on that site |
oberliner |
Apr-16-09 10:45 PM |
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The above said," will not meet "not refused and Obama would not be |
Jefferson23 |
Apr-16-09 05:15 PM |
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But where is the original article that the OP is reporting on |
oberliner |
Apr-16-09 05:21 PM |
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There's an article on it at ynetnews |
Donald Ian Rankin |
Apr-16-09 05:25 PM |
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I read that too and thought it interesting that the critics are focusing |
Jefferson23 |
Apr-16-09 06:25 PM |
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If I find it, I'll post it here. |
Jefferson23 |
Apr-16-09 06:27 PM |
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Do you read Hebrew? |
ProgressiveMuslim |
Apr-16-09 08:03 PM |
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Does the author of the OP read Hebrew? |
oberliner |
Apr-16-09 10:44 PM |
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How come you're so cagey? Do you read Hebrew? |
ProgressiveMuslim |
Apr-17-09 07:58 AM |
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Where is the original article? |
oberliner |
Apr-17-09 08:48 AM |
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MJ Rosenberg isn't a very credible source |
shira |
Apr-17-09 08:54 AM |
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Why do you say MJ Rosenberg is not a reliable source? |
Meshuga |
Apr-23-09 03:32 PM |
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The issue isn't one that can be "proven" with the article. |
ProgressiveMuslim |
Apr-17-09 08:59 AM |
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Well I would say there are two issues |
oberliner |
Apr-17-09 09:21 AM |
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What's the second issue? |
ProgressiveMuslim |
Apr-17-09 10:39 AM |
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Well if this is verified, then the second issue is what this would mean for the peace process |
oberliner |
Apr-17-09 11:55 AM |
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For someone who claims it's a positive sign, yr not indicating that in yr posts... |
Violet_Crumble |
Apr-18-09 04:23 AM |
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The Emanuel conversation and the scheduled meeting between Obama and Netanyahu |
oberliner |
Apr-18-09 04:49 AM |
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I've rarely if ever seen anyone so determined to write an article off as bullshit... |
Violet_Crumble |
Apr-19-09 07:30 AM |
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It's a pet peeve of mine |
oberliner |
Apr-19-09 09:23 AM |
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I, too, was underwhelmed by your response Oberliner. |
ProgressiveMuslim |
Apr-18-09 07:28 AM |
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And I am shocked that this dubious story is being accepted so readily |
oberliner |
Apr-18-09 07:49 AM |
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Oberliner, this is but one of many signs that indicate Obama could be playing |
ProgressiveMuslim |
Apr-18-09 08:56 AM |
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I think one aspect of this story I'm sure you've noticed and that is, so |
Jefferson23 |
Apr-18-09 08:03 PM |
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It's really not "out there" in any sense of the word |
oberliner |
Apr-19-09 11:54 AM |
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The point is oberliner, IT IS out there, even the Christian Science Monitor |
Jefferson23 |
Apr-19-09 05:04 PM |
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Interesting |
oberliner |
Apr-19-09 05:20 PM |
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What a relief, huh? |
ProgressiveMuslim |
Apr-16-09 06:27 PM |
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It's all about control. |
bemildred |
Apr-16-09 06:35 PM |
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I'm struck by the near-total absense of posts from traditionally anti-Palestinian posters |
Donald Ian Rankin |
Apr-16-09 07:22 PM |
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They're busy posting about hezbollah terror attacks in tel Aviv... gotta correct the mood, people! |
ProgressiveMuslim |
Apr-16-09 07:38 PM |
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They are awaiting instructions from Likud and/or Yisrael Beitenu |
IndianaGreen |
Apr-16-09 10:05 PM |
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your shit stirring here is a striking depiction of |
cali |
Apr-17-09 06:19 AM |
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Yeah, and all this time they were saying they were for a 2-state solution... |
shaayecanaan |
Apr-16-09 10:32 PM |
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well most likely they do support a two state solution however |
azurnoir |
Apr-16-09 11:06 PM |
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I love President Obama very much (I REALLY do) but I will believe it when I see it! |
Douglas Carpenter |
Apr-16-09 09:51 PM |
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I listen to Democracy Now too faithfully to *love* Obama but I did find this exciting! nt |
ProgressiveMuslim |
Apr-17-09 10:34 AM |
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Here's some more background on the Clinton/Mitchell strategy |
HamdenRice |
Apr-17-09 06:58 AM |
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If that's the strategy, this won't work |
shira |
Apr-17-09 11:30 AM |
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Yeas, everybody avoids the elephant in the room |
Sezu |
Apr-17-09 02:09 PM |
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Can;t make peace with people who don't want peace |
Vegasaurus |
Apr-17-09 04:01 PM |
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Hamas are teddy bears |
shira |
Apr-17-09 05:40 PM |
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Yes! Then they will be handing out candies |
Vegasaurus |
Apr-18-09 06:53 AM |
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More on the report, from Richard Silverstein |
ProgressiveMuslim |
Apr-17-09 07:57 AM |
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Wow. That's very encouraging. |
Barack_America |
Apr-17-09 04:11 PM |
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One of my concerns about Obama has vanished... |
Violet_Crumble |
Apr-18-09 04:31 AM |
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