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Ken Burch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-06-09 10:18 PM
Response to Reply #111
153. It's not that. It's about people purchasing land in a place where they don't live
but where an army they support is maintaining a brutal and completely unjustified military occupation.

There's a MASSIVE difference between that and barring anyone from purchasing land "in a nationality he is not a member of".

If the Zionist project had ever, EVER tried to deal with Palestinians in a humane, respectful manner, rather than with violent brutality and with the infamous denials that Palestine and Palestinians actually EXIST, this would be a far different situation and laws like this wouldn't even have been considered.

It is not discrimination or prejudice to prevent those aligned with your oppressors from purchasing(and let's be realistic, often as not FORCING you to sell)your land to them. And the use of phrases like "Judenrein", with its false implication that Palestinians are the moral equivalents of Nazis(something that has ALWAYS been a despicable lie)must stop and stop now if there is ever to be peace and justice in this situation.

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  -PA: Death penalty for those who sell land to Jews Behind the Aegis  Apr-03-09 01:10 PM   #0 
  - I thought you were talking about  sharp_stick   Apr-03-09 01:14 PM   #1 
  - Yeah, and maybe I'm not up on the New Progressiveness  Sezu   Apr-04-09 11:27 AM   #68 
     - I think you are confusing that with the Israeli-only roads and facilities on the WB.  ProgressiveMuslim   Apr-05-09 08:19 AM   #112 
  - But Israel is the bad guy according to DU.  aquart   Apr-03-09 01:27 PM   #2 
  - No Palestinians would ever want to sell land to Israelis.  Ken Burch   Apr-03-09 01:59 PM   #3 
  - But that's not what the ban is about.  cali   Apr-03-09 02:01 PM   #4 
  - It's only Israelis or those planning to make aliyah and become Israelis that would be buying land  Ken Burch   Apr-03-09 02:07 PM   #6 
  - The only hypocrite here is you.  Behind the Aegis   Apr-03-09 02:18 PM   #8 
  - You honestly expect the Palestinian legal system to aid and abet Israel's 40+ year illegal  ProgressiveMuslim   Apr-03-09 08:20 PM   #28 
  - that's ridiculous. you can't claim to know that.  cali   Apr-03-09 02:32 PM   #11 
  - It's absurd to suggest that an American Jew in the ISM would ever attempt to buy Palestinian land.  ProgressiveMuslim   Apr-03-09 08:16 PM   #26 
  - Yes, there ARE Jews in the ISM and in the peace and human rights groups.  Ken Burch   Apr-06-09 05:21 PM   #139 
  - You have nothing to apologize for. This should be a civil crime of the highest order.  ProgressiveMuslim   Apr-03-09 08:15 PM   #25 
  - When Any Palestinian from anywhere can buy land and live as equals anywhere they want inside Israel  Douglas Carpenter   Apr-05-09 05:07 AM   #107 
  - Let the Palestinains kill each other.  GoesTo11   Apr-05-09 09:19 AM   #116 
     - Exactly how I feel about the upcoming civil war with the settlers. nt  ProgressiveMuslim   Apr-05-09 02:24 PM   #119 
        - Why would there be a civil war with the settlers?  oberliner   Apr-05-09 02:36 PM   #121 
           - Well those of us who hope for a 2-state solution certainly foresee the possibility.  ProgressiveMuslim   Apr-05-09 02:39 PM   #122 
           - I totally disagree  oberliner   Apr-05-09 03:49 PM   #124 
              - Thinking back to the 60 minutes piece Bob Simon did, you should prepare yourself for that  ProgressiveMuslim   Apr-05-09 06:15 PM   #126 
           - That's only as long as that or any other government continues to abet the settlement project  Ken Burch   Apr-06-09 05:24 PM   #140 
  - If the land is bought, how is it stealing? n/t  eyl   Apr-05-09 02:20 AM   #104 
     - The same way it was stealing when Jews settled in Palestine in the early 1900s  GoesTo11   Apr-05-09 09:38 AM   #117 
        - Oh? And that was stealing because..? n/t  eyl   Apr-06-09 03:31 PM   #134 
           - Good point.  GoesTo11   Apr-06-09 04:34 PM   #138 
  - It's an anti-settlement policy.  geek tragedy   Apr-03-09 04:53 PM   #19 
  - What's the difference in this case? If an American Jew from Brooklyn wants to buy  ProgressiveMuslim   Apr-03-09 08:15 PM   #24 
     - Yeah, fuck'm. He's just a Brooklyn bum anyhow.  Jim Sagle   Apr-04-09 02:06 AM   #33 
        - Thanks for asking, Jimbo! 21% of exporters affected. I call that progress!  ProgressiveMuslim   Apr-04-09 07:39 AM   #36 
        - Proud of being a stinking hypocrrite, aren't you?  Jim Sagle   Apr-04-09 11:35 AM   #69 
           - I'm proud of not having a trash mouth, that's for sure. And proud of the people of  ProgressiveMuslim   Apr-04-09 11:50 AM   #75 
           - I'll take that as a "Yes."  Jim Sagle   Apr-04-09 12:07 PM   #77 
              - What happened to the "bomb" comment, Jimbo?  ProgressiveMuslim   Apr-04-09 02:33 PM   #83 
              - I came up with a better one.  Jim Sagle   Apr-04-09 06:12 PM   #85 
                 - LOL! You're always good for a laugh. Thanks Jimbo!  ProgressiveMuslim   Apr-04-09 07:32 PM   #91 
                    - And you're even better for a display of venomous hypocrisy.  Jim Sagle   Apr-05-09 03:24 AM   #106 
                       - Just here to remind ya that everybody bleeds red, my friend! nt  ProgressiveMuslim   Apr-05-09 08:11 AM   #109 
                          - I're my conscience. Riiiiiiiight.  Jim Sagle   Apr-05-09 03:35 PM   #123 
              - Again, Progressive Muslim has done nothing to deserve your hate.  Ken Burch   Apr-06-09 05:29 PM   #143 
           - Progressive Muslim has never been a hypocrite on anything.  Ken Burch   Apr-06-09 05:27 PM   #142 
        - JIm, even you can't actually be happy that a Palestinian state is nowhere near being established  Ken Burch   Apr-06-09 05:26 PM   #141 
  - Conflate much?  Behind the Aegis   Apr-03-09 02:03 PM   #5 
  - So, let me get this right.  Igel   Apr-03-09 02:13 PM   #7 
     - First of all, the gov't of Israel would likely deny her the ability to LIVE in the WB...  ProgressiveMuslim   Apr-03-09 08:24 PM   #29 
  - Can Palestinians buy Israeli land?  Idealism   Apr-03-09 02:31 PM   #9 
  - In some cases.  Behind the Aegis   Apr-03-09 02:32 PM   #10 
     - Would that be only in certain areas? Or does refugee status play into it?  Idealism   Apr-03-09 02:33 PM   #12 
        - Only in certain areas.  Behind the Aegis   Apr-03-09 02:37 PM   #13 
        - You are talking about "Israeli lands" right?  Idealism   Apr-03-09 02:38 PM   #14 
        - No.  Behind the Aegis   Apr-03-09 02:40 PM   #15 
           - Thanks for taking the time.  Idealism   Apr-03-09 02:45 PM   #16 
              - You're very welcome.  Behind the Aegis   Apr-03-09 02:47 PM   #17 
        - Can Palestinians lease Israeli land?  ProgressiveMuslim   Apr-03-09 08:12 PM   #22 
           - BTA: Addressing you directly. Can Palestinians lease Israeli land?  ProgressiveMuslim   Apr-04-09 07:56 AM   #40 
              - I notice BTA didn't answer your Question  number6   Apr-04-09 07:25 PM   #89 
              - Because I thought it already been answered, genius.  Behind the Aegis   Apr-04-09 07:29 PM   #90 
              - I don't know. Can Russians, Chinese, Nigerians, lease Israeli land?  Behind the Aegis   Apr-04-09 07:37 PM   #92 
        - Not really, no...  shaayecanaan   Apr-04-09 09:32 AM   #56 
           - Actually, Jews are equally prohibited  eyl   Apr-05-09 02:19 AM   #103 
  - Two questions  azurnoir   Apr-03-09 03:28 PM   #18 
  - I noticed that too...really takes another swipe and the independence of the PA from the mullahs  ProgressiveProfessor   Apr-03-09 04:56 PM   #20 
     - Well that's a possibility n/t  azurnoir   Apr-03-09 06:02 PM   #21 
     - Hey "professor:" "Mullahs" aren't really a feature of Palestinian political life.  ProgressiveMuslim   Apr-03-09 08:14 PM   #23 
        - Then who issued the fatwa being cited  ProgressiveProfessor   Apr-03-09 09:10 PM   #30 
           - A Sheik. I'll ask you as well:  ProgressiveMuslim   Apr-03-09 10:47 PM   #31 
              - When the PA cites religion based directives their claims of secularism in civil matters look silly  ProgressiveProfessor   Apr-04-09 12:20 AM   #32 
                 - Sorry I just spit coffee all over my monitor. Do you believe Palestinians should be allowed to live  ProgressiveMuslim   Apr-04-09 07:32 AM   #34 
                    - How does this gibe with your support of the one-state solution?  oberliner   Apr-04-09 07:41 AM   #37 
                       - I don't support the death penalty anywhere. My post stating that was deleted.  ProgressiveMuslim   Apr-04-09 07:45 AM   #38 
                          - In response to your points  oberliner   Apr-04-09 08:02 AM   #41 
                             - Deleted message  Name removed   Apr-04-09 08:17 AM   #43 
                             - If "contact" is the goal, the gov't of Israel (or JNF) should lease some land to the homeless  ProgressiveMuslim   Apr-04-09 08:19 AM   #45 
                             - You support Israel forcibly relocating Gazans into Israel?  oberliner   Apr-04-09 08:53 AM   #50 
                                - WTF are you talking about? I suggested that if mutual contact is such a noble goal  ProgressiveMuslim   Apr-04-09 09:07 AM   #51 
                                   - If mutual contact is so critical, why not allow the refugees back to the land that was stolen from  ProgressiveMuslim   Apr-04-09 09:15 AM   #53 
                                      - That should definitely be a component of the agreement  oberliner   Apr-04-09 10:32 AM   #60 
                                         - Perhaps sale of land to Jews could also be a component of the agreement.  ProgressiveMuslim   Apr-04-09 11:11 AM   #63 
                                            - If a Gazan is someone who lives in Gaza I'm not sure how a Gazan could be living in Israel  oberliner   Apr-04-09 11:21 AM   #65 
                                               - I am not following you. I'm saying since there are so many homeless Gazans (at the hand of Israel)  ProgressiveMuslim   Apr-04-09 11:25 AM   #66 
                                               - Oh, and since BTA is not around, can you answer: Can Palestinians lease Israeli land?  ProgressiveMuslim   Apr-04-09 11:26 AM   #67 
                                               - Any Israeli citizen can lease Israeli land regardless of their religion or ethnicity  oberliner   Apr-04-09 11:42 AM   #70 
                                               - Is it legal for Palestinians to lease Israeli land?  ProgressiveMuslim   Apr-04-09 11:47 AM   #72 
                                               - Is it legal for any other nationality to lease Israeli land?  Behind the Aegis   Apr-04-09 07:38 PM   #93 
                                               - Why then do Arabs live mostly segregated in towns with inferior schools and services?  ProgressiveMuslim   Apr-04-09 11:47 AM   #73 
                             - It is interesting to see how your opinions have evolved regarding Israelis and Jews  oberliner   Apr-04-09 08:49 AM   #48 
                                - Deleted message  Name removed   Apr-04-09 09:14 AM   #52 
                                - To make my position 100% crystal clear.  ProgressiveMuslim   Apr-04-09 09:39 AM   #58 
                                   - My apologies  oberliner   Apr-04-09 10:25 AM   #59 
                                - To be fair, Oberliner...  Violet_Crumble   Apr-04-09 09:17 AM   #54 
                                   - Thanks VC. And in particular this is a thread that claims that Jews are being discriminated against  ProgressiveMuslim   Apr-04-09 09:38 AM   #57 
                                   - Good point  oberliner   Apr-04-09 10:34 AM   #61 
                             - I wasn't going to bother with this thread, but...  Violet_Crumble   Apr-04-09 08:22 AM   #46 
                                - And it usually pops up after some particularly heinous behaviors on the part of Israel, doesn't it?  ProgressiveMuslim   Apr-04-09 08:24 AM   #47 
                                - Not sure how the law could be worded  oberliner   Apr-04-09 08:52 AM   #49 
                                - If the bought land than presumably the sale was legitimate?  eyl   Apr-05-09 02:24 AM   #105 
                                   - ALL settlers anywhere in Occupied Territories are illegal under international law.  Douglas Carpenter   Apr-05-09 05:40 AM   #108 
                                      - Hmm...So essentially you're saying that  eyl   Apr-05-09 08:18 AM   #111 
                                         - Eyl, do you believe it is incumbent upon Palestinians to sell land to their occupiers?  ProgressiveMuslim   Apr-05-09 08:21 AM   #113 
                                         - I don't recall suggesting  eyl   Apr-06-09 03:33 PM   #135 
                                            - So they have the right to pass laws governing land in their territory. Just like Israel.  ProgressiveMuslim   Apr-06-09 04:28 PM   #137 
                                               - Shall I take it, then,  eyl   Apr-07-09 03:56 AM   #170 
                                                  - Do you have a problem with Israel's Jim Crow policies?  ProgressiveMuslim   Apr-07-09 06:00 AM   #174 
                                                  - asdf  eyl   Apr-11-09 10:35 AM   #194 
                                         - Yes  shaayecanaan   Apr-06-09 06:46 PM   #149 
                                         - It's not that. It's about people purchasing land in a place where they don't live  Ken Burch   Apr-06-09 10:18 PM   #153 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Apr-03-09 08:17 PM   #27 
  - I'll ask all of you who are clucking your tongues: do you actually expect the gov't of  ProgressiveMuslim   Apr-04-09 07:38 AM   #35 
  - A picture's worth a thousand words: Here's the map that shows why  ProgressiveMuslim   Apr-04-09 07:55 AM   #39 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Apr-04-09 08:05 AM   #42 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Apr-04-09 08:18 AM   #44 
  - all Jews are not settlers or ocupiers, it's a racist proclamation  shira   Apr-05-09 05:48 PM   #125 
     - Palestinians were not the ones who blurred the distinction between nation, religion and ethnic group  ProgressiveMuslim   Apr-05-09 06:19 PM   #127 
        - And since you're all about non-discrimination in land sale, why not allow the refugees who were  ProgressiveMuslim   Apr-05-09 06:27 PM   #128 
        - How about the Jews who were forced out of their homes in Arab lands  Vegasaurus   Apr-06-09 07:59 AM   #130 
           - Let's allow all refugees to return to their lands. Do you agree with that?  ProgressiveMuslim   Apr-06-09 08:09 AM   #131 
              - Do YOU really agree with that  Vegasaurus   Apr-06-09 05:41 PM   #146 
                 - The group what would have kinipshins is Israel. But I suspect you already know that ;)  ProgressiveMuslim   Apr-06-09 10:03 PM   #151 
        - Shira, please don't avoid the question!  ProgressiveMuslim   Apr-06-09 08:10 AM   #132 
        - you wrote in an earlier post that you don't give a crap about my why  shira   Apr-06-09 10:43 PM   #157 
           - LOL. We all know why you won't/can't answer.  ProgressiveMuslim   Apr-07-09 06:01 AM   #175 
              - already did reply in #156 right below  shira   Apr-07-09 06:08 AM   #176 
        - you're still ignoring the fact that people today have problems with Jews from 100 years ago  shira   Apr-06-09 10:42 PM   #156 
           - Oh... so Palestinians are supposed to forget Israel's crimes of YESTERDAY  ProgressiveMuslim   Apr-07-09 06:50 AM   #178 
              - just pointing out that this policy of no land to Jews has always been ugly and bigoted  shira   Apr-08-09 07:43 AM   #182 
                 - So is this your admission that Zionists "acquired" land by means than other legal purchase?  ProgressiveMuslim   Apr-08-09 09:35 AM   #183 
                    - nope  shira   Apr-08-09 09:37 AM   #184 
                       - The problem then wasn't legal land sale. In 1947 Jews only owned 7% of the land of Palestine.  ProgressiveMuslim   Apr-08-09 09:44 AM   #187 
                          - Of course, you've left out  eyl   Apr-11-09 10:34 AM   #193 
  - Do those of you clucking your tongues think Palestians refugees should be able to get their  ProgressiveMuslim   Apr-04-09 09:17 AM   #55 
  - Massively, massively disproportionate.  Donald Ian Rankin   Apr-04-09 10:50 AM   #62 
  - The problem comes with the law of return for Jews. Since any Jew can immediately claim Israeli  ProgressiveMuslim   Apr-04-09 11:12 AM   #64 
     - Two wrongs don't make a right.  Donald Ian Rankin   Apr-04-09 11:44 AM   #71 
        - Are you opposed to all borders? Just curious.  ProgressiveMuslim   Apr-04-09 11:48 AM   #74 
           - Not seriously.  Donald Ian Rankin   Apr-04-09 11:54 AM   #76 
              - Given the Law of return, what's the dif?  ProgressiveMuslim   Apr-04-09 12:20 PM   #78 
              - The difference is that this effects Jews who aren't nutty settlers.  Donald Ian Rankin   Apr-04-09 01:19 PM   #81 
                 - Well, Moskovitz certainly didn't broadcast that he'd be building settlements either.  ProgressiveMuslim   Apr-04-09 01:55 PM   #82 
                    - Speaking of "mind-blowing cognitive dissonance"  Behind the Aegis   Apr-04-09 07:42 PM   #95 
                       - Your point is... what?  ProgressiveMuslim   Apr-05-09 08:15 AM   #110 
                       - Classic strawman.  Behind the Aegis   Apr-05-09 01:12 PM   #118 
                       - It can never be racist to make laws against your oppressor  Ken Burch   Apr-06-09 05:32 PM   #144 
                       - But "Jew" is not the same thing as Israeli.  Donald Ian Rankin   Apr-06-09 06:09 PM   #147 
                       - It would be better for them to have phrased it differently  Ken Burch   Apr-06-09 07:46 PM   #150 
                          - 100% spot on.  ProgressiveMuslim   Apr-06-09 10:05 PM   #152 
                       - Perhaps in your world.  Behind the Aegis   Apr-06-09 11:26 PM   #159 
                       - It's only bigotry when it's the powerful inflicting it on the powerless.  Ken Burch   Apr-06-09 11:51 PM   #160 
                          - So, you don't know the definition on bigotry and decide to use your own?  Behind the Aegis   Apr-06-09 11:55 PM   #161 
                             - Get real, Aegis. It's been proved years and years ago that Palestinians  Ken Burch   Apr-07-09 12:12 AM   #162 
                                - You get real, Burch.  Behind the Aegis   Apr-07-09 12:18 AM   #163 
                                   - You take an exclusivist definition of bigotry  Ken Burch   Apr-07-09 12:26 AM   #164 
                                      - Making up definitions doesn't make them true.,  Behind the Aegis   Apr-07-09 12:29 AM   #165 
                                         - Not a strawman at all.  Ken Burch   Apr-07-09 01:18 AM   #166 
                                            - Again, stop making things up.  Behind the Aegis   Apr-07-09 01:27 AM   #167 
                                            - I'm NOT actually ok with this law, because I'm against the death penalty  Ken Burch   Apr-07-09 01:37 AM   #168 
                                            - Do get a dictionary.  Behind the Aegis   Apr-07-09 02:22 AM   #169 
                                            - "If antisemitic acts occur in Europe...  Boojatta   Apr-24-09 08:27 PM   #195 
                       - I know this is an old thread but I wanted to comment.  Shaktimaan   May-20-09 10:06 PM   #201 
                       - Do you think the Israeli so-called "Right of return" is hateful racism too? N.T.  Donald Ian Rankin   Apr-06-09 06:11 PM   #148 
                          - No.  Behind the Aegis   Apr-06-09 11:18 PM   #158 
                          - What do you think makes one racist and the other not?  Donald Ian Rankin   Apr-07-09 10:29 AM   #180 
                          - I'd be interested in an answer to the above question, if anyone can provide one. N.T.  Donald Ian Rankin   Apr-08-09 05:02 PM   #189 
                          - Posted in wrong place, delete. N.T.  Donald Ian Rankin   Apr-07-09 09:34 AM   #179 
                          - No. It would be hateful racism if ONLY Jews were allowed to immigrate...  LeftishBrit   Apr-25-09 12:29 PM   #198 
                          - Are there any countries other than Israel that allow...  Boojatta   May-20-09 09:17 PM   #200 
              - While I agree the wording of the law  azurnoir   Apr-04-09 01:07 PM   #80 
                 - Palestinians were not the ones who blurred the distinction between nation, religion and ethnic group  ProgressiveMuslim   Apr-04-09 02:35 PM   #84 
  - A little context for the Palestinian hard-line position:  ProgressiveMuslim   Apr-04-09 12:50 PM   #79 
  - I'm just amazed at the levels of groveling duplicity that surround these things.  bemildred   Apr-04-09 06:24 PM   #86 
     - The twisted thinking that goes on to justify this nonsense is enlightening.  ProgressiveMuslim   Apr-05-09 02:30 PM   #120 
        - wow. talk about twisted.  cali   Apr-06-09 06:01 AM   #129 
           - Who, by virtue of the right of return, are automatically Isareli citizens.  ProgressiveMuslim   Apr-06-09 08:11 AM   #133 
           -  eyl   Apr-06-09 03:35 PM   #136 
              - Do any of them ever get DENIED citizenship?  Ken Burch   Apr-06-09 10:35 PM   #154 
                 - It's happened n/t  eyl   Apr-07-09 03:57 AM   #171 
                    - Fair enough. Didn't know that.  Ken Burch   Apr-07-09 04:13 AM   #172 
                       - I think the most famous case  eyl   Apr-07-09 05:08 AM   #173 
           - The only ones who'd possibly even try to buy land from Palestinians  Ken Burch   Apr-06-09 05:35 PM   #145 
           - so what was the excuse prior to 1948, Ken?  shira   Apr-07-09 06:17 AM   #177 
           - I didn't say hate was totally absent from Palestinians prior to 1948.  Ken Burch   Apr-07-09 04:28 PM   #181 
           - Unless Shira shares the goal  ProgressiveMuslim   Apr-08-09 09:41 AM   #186 
              - Perhaps she still believes, in spite of her better intentions,  Ken Burch   Apr-08-09 04:59 PM   #188 
                 - Shira is American.  ProgressiveMuslim   Apr-08-09 07:18 PM   #191 
                    - Really? I assumed, from the way that she posted, that she was Israeli.  Ken Burch   Apr-08-09 07:26 PM   #192 
           - I CALL BULLSHIT ON THIS: Get your story straight Shira.  ProgressiveMuslim   Apr-08-09 09:39 AM   #185 
           - BTW, Yitzak Shamir and Lehi(The Stern Gang) were on relatively good terms with Hitler  Ken Burch   Apr-08-09 05:03 PM   #190 
           - Did you mean...  Boojatta   Apr-24-09 08:36 PM   #196 
           - The Israeli government just imposed and carried out the death sentence  Ken Burch   Apr-06-09 10:38 PM   #155 
              - When Israelis are conscripted for military service...  Boojatta   Apr-25-09 09:37 AM   #197 
  - Israelis don't buy land, they steal it,  number6   Apr-04-09 07:16 PM   #87 
  - "They steal it" Could you be any more bigoted?m n/t  Sezu   Apr-04-09 07:22 PM   #88 
  - could Israel be more Bigoted against  number6   Apr-04-09 07:39 PM   #94 
  - And that excuses bigoted remarks from you?  Behind the Aegis   Apr-04-09 07:43 PM   #96 
     - do you understand the english langauge  number6   Apr-04-09 07:52 PM   #99 
        - Do you?  Behind the Aegis   Apr-04-09 07:54 PM   #100 
           - Yep I do  number6   Apr-04-09 08:20 PM   #101 
  - did YOU read my Post ????  number6   Apr-04-09 07:44 PM   #97 
  - This isn't stealing? Thousands of dunums confiscated for Israeli settler road near Nablus  ProgressiveMuslim   Apr-05-09 08:35 AM   #115 
  - Well, in any event, it couldn't be more true:  TimesSquareCowboy   May-21-09 04:36 PM   #202 
  - From: B'tselem LAND GRAB: Israels Settlement Policy in the West Bank  Douglas Carpenter   Apr-04-09 11:20 PM   #102 
     - BTA, quit the silly games and respond to Doug's post, please.  ProgressiveMuslim   Apr-05-09 08:23 AM   #114 
  - for the record I'm against the death penalty  number6   Apr-04-09 07:49 PM   #98 
  - What would happen if a Jew tried to sell land in a WB settlement to a Palestinian?  Crunchy Frog   Apr-26-09 07:01 AM   #199 

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