Name removed
(0 posts)
Send PM |
Profile |
Ignore
|
Mon Mar-30-09 06:46 AM
Response to Reply #86 |
|
Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules. |
| -Jenin orchestra shut down after playing for survivors |
henank |
Mar-29-09 09:13 AM |
#0 |
 -
Sigh |
ayeshahaqqiqa |
Mar-29-09 09:20 AM |
#1 |
  -
I agree wiith you |
LeftishBrit |
Mar-29-09 09:46 AM |
#2 |
| -
I know I have the minority view here... |
ProgressiveMuslim |
Mar-29-09 09:48 AM |
#3 |
| -
Deleted message |
Name removed |
Mar-29-09 10:23 AM |
#4 |
| -
Utter nonsense. |
ProgressiveMuslim |
Mar-29-09 11:34 AM |
#10 |
| -
Yet there is only one way to overcome hate |
ayeshahaqqiqa |
Mar-29-09 10:35 AM |
#5 |
| -
Are you asking the children of Jenin, flattened 7 years ago, to forgive?? |
ProgressiveMuslim |
Mar-29-09 11:33 AM |
#9 |
| -
The point is here, it isn't the children who refused to play for the Israelis |
LeftishBrit |
Mar-29-09 11:59 AM |
#14 |
| -
Do you think Palestinian children are like American children? |
ProgressiveMuslim |
Mar-29-09 12:00 PM |
#15 |
| -
The group has played in Israel several times before |
oberliner |
Mar-29-09 12:28 PM |
#18 |
| -
I found this quote from a survivor very telling... |
ProgressiveMuslim |
Mar-29-09 03:22 PM |
#28 |
| -
I have no idea what you are reacting to in that quote |
oberliner |
Mar-29-09 03:39 PM |
#32 |
| -
Asl though the onus of understanding in that situation... where those mature adults |
ProgressiveMuslim |
Mar-29-09 04:56 PM |
#36 |
| -
You don't think young Palestinians should learn about the Holocaust? |
oberliner |
Mar-29-09 05:30 PM |
#41 |
| -
Don't you think adult Jews in Israel should learn about the reality of their occupation? |
ProgressiveMuslim |
Mar-29-09 08:49 PM |
#48 |
| -
Of course they should. But why do you assume that this concert works against that goal? |
Ken Burch |
Mar-30-09 12:56 AM |
#63 |
| -
Yes, Israel has oppressed the Palestinians. This concert wasn't part of the oppression. |
Ken Burch |
Mar-30-09 12:57 AM |
#64 |
| -
Ken , you do not have all the facts. |
ProgressiveMuslim |
Mar-31-09 05:55 AM |
#123 |
| -
You would agree that Palestinian children and the whole Palestinian movement |
Ken Burch |
Mar-30-09 12:51 AM |
#61 |
| -
Yes |
ayeshahaqqiqa |
Mar-29-09 03:24 PM |
#30 |
| -
As with any abuser, forgiveness absent of repentance is pointless, don't you think? |
ProgressiveMuslim |
Mar-29-09 08:50 PM |
#49 |
| -
No |
ayeshahaqqiqa |
Mar-30-09 07:56 AM |
#93 |
| -
Do you expect sexually abused children to forgive their abusers while the crimes are ongoing? |
ProgressiveMuslim |
Mar-31-09 06:01 AM |
#124 |
| -
You know those elderly people themselves bear no blame for what was done to Jenin |
Ken Burch |
Mar-30-09 12:47 AM |
#60 |
| -
Doing this concert does NOT mean forgiving what was done to the children of Jenin |
Ken Burch |
Mar-30-09 12:52 AM |
#62 |
| -
"One big difference is that the Palestinians had to return to the camp after they entertained." |
Jefferson23 |
Mar-29-09 10:48 AM |
#6 |
| -
Strongly agree |
LeftishBrit |
Mar-29-09 10:53 AM |
#7 |
| -
How sad if a group of kids, who don't even know what's what -- have to be paraded in front |
ProgressiveMuslim |
Mar-29-09 11:32 AM |
#8 |
| -
Well again, what you are characterizing as pathetic is another reason |
Jefferson23 |
Mar-29-09 12:03 PM |
#16 |
| -
Yes it is so touching and sweet |
azurnoir |
Mar-30-09 03:06 PM |
#117 |
| -
The boys words are much more than sweet and dear of heart. |
Jefferson23 |
Mar-30-09 07:43 PM |
#119 |
| -
The kid gets part of it |
azurnoir |
Mar-30-09 10:12 PM |
#121 |
| -
"I'm here to raise spirits," Younis said. "These are poor, old people." |
oberliner |
Mar-29-09 12:03 PM |
#17 |
| -
Tell that to the IDF! |
IndianaGreen |
Mar-29-09 01:03 PM |
#20 |
| -
Huh? |
oberliner |
Mar-29-09 01:24 PM |
#22 |
| -
The contact and exchange is useless within the context of the Occupation |
IndianaGreen |
Mar-29-09 12:57 PM |
#19 |
| -
I disagree that the exchange is useless, the fact that the children |
Jefferson23 |
Mar-29-09 01:47 PM |
#23 |
| -
It is truly shocking. |
ProgressiveMuslim |
Mar-29-09 03:23 PM |
#29 |
| -
Interesting narcissism on your part. n/t |
Sezu |
Mar-29-09 07:09 PM |
#45 |
| -
Less interesting to me. But then, I'm used to it. |
Jim Sagle |
Mar-29-09 07:16 PM |
#46 |
| -
Uninteresting meaningless statement of derision on yours. |
Ken Burch |
Mar-30-09 01:13 AM |
#68 |
| -
I agree that the kids should not have had to go back to the camp |
Ken Burch |
Mar-30-09 01:05 AM |
#65 |
| -
They think the Holocaust is "political" |
Vegasaurus |
Mar-30-09 06:04 AM |
#78 |
| -
I really doubt that it's "most". |
Ken Burch |
Mar-30-09 06:36 AM |
#84 |
| -
I don't know the number or percentage of Arab/Palestinian Holocaust deniers |
Vegasaurus |
Mar-30-09 06:40 AM |
#85 |
| -
Let's not say 'many'. Let's say you have no idea...n/t |
Violet_Crumble |
Mar-30-09 07:40 AM |
#91 |
| -
Of course it is many (many, many, in fact) |
Vegasaurus |
Mar-30-09 08:21 AM |
#96 |
| -
Veggie: 'I don't know the number or percentage of Arab/Palestinian Holocaust deniers' |
Violet_Crumble |
Mar-30-09 08:30 AM |
#99 |
| -
I am sure you will be happy to read my post about all the many deniers |
Vegasaurus |
Mar-30-09 08:32 AM |
#101 |
| -
Clearly yr having problems reading my posts... |
Violet_Crumble |
Mar-30-09 08:35 AM |
#103 |
| -
I said MANY, many Arabs and Palestinians are Holocaust deniers |
Vegasaurus |
Mar-30-09 08:41 AM |
#106 |
| -
You said you didn't know how many... |
Violet_Crumble |
Mar-30-09 08:44 AM |
#109 |
| -
I don't hate anyone but liars and hypocrites |
Vegasaurus |
Mar-30-09 08:45 AM |
#110 |
| -
A self-hating liar? |
Violet_Crumble |
Mar-30-09 08:49 AM |
#113 |
| -
Yr right violet, what can I say? Yr right! |
Vegasaurus |
Mar-30-09 08:52 AM |
#115 |
| -
Here, I will make it easy for you |
Vegasaurus |
Mar-30-09 08:26 AM |
#98 |
| -
Didn't quite catch the numbers there, Veggie... |
Violet_Crumble |
Mar-30-09 08:32 AM |
#100 |
| -
Do you deny these quotes? |
Vegasaurus |
Mar-30-09 08:33 AM |
#102 |
| -
Do you bother reading any response to you? |
Violet_Crumble |
Mar-30-09 08:37 AM |
#104 |
| -
I said many, many Arabs and Palestinians are Holocaust deniers |
Vegasaurus |
Mar-30-09 08:40 AM |
#105 |
| -
And you provided no proof of that.... |
Violet_Crumble |
Mar-30-09 08:42 AM |
#107 |
| -
Of course there was proof |
Vegasaurus |
Mar-30-09 08:43 AM |
#108 |
| -
No there was no proof.... |
Violet_Crumble |
Mar-30-09 08:47 AM |
#111 |
| -
Ok, Violet, if that helps you sleep at night! |
Vegasaurus |
Mar-30-09 08:47 AM |
#112 |
| -
Nothing to do with sleep. I'm just pointing out the bleeding obvious...n/t |
Violet_Crumble |
Mar-30-09 08:50 AM |
#114 |
| -
Ken, I don't think the critics mean the Hologcaust is political, but rather that the way the |
ProgressiveMuslim |
Mar-31-09 07:03 AM |
#126 |
| -
so... arrogant |
Shaktimaan |
Mar-30-09 07:46 AM |
#92 |
| -
so,,,,hypocritical... |
Violet_Crumble |
Mar-30-09 07:58 AM |
#94 |
| -
You think? well, let's see... |
Shaktimaan |
Mar-30-09 11:43 AM |
#116 |
| -
Yeah, I think what yr saying is bullshit... |
Violet_Crumble |
Mar-31-09 06:57 AM |
#125 |
| -
So in the spirit of mutual exchange |
azurnoir |
Mar-29-09 01:17 PM |
#21 |
| -
What was mutual about this? |
ProgressiveMuslim |
Mar-29-09 03:05 PM |
#26 |
| -
The orchestra director herself requested permission to give this performance |
oberliner |
Mar-29-09 03:31 PM |
#31 |
| -
That's why it's being disbanded. |
ProgressiveMuslim |
Mar-29-09 04:56 PM |
#37 |
| -
Then it would have been enough to criticize the orchestra leader for that. |
Ken Burch |
Mar-30-09 01:16 AM |
#69 |
| -
I agree that the group should be allowed to play, but that they DEFINITELY need new leadership. |
ProgressiveMuslim |
Mar-31-09 07:05 AM |
#127 |
| -
Well that was kind of my point n/t |
azurnoir |
Mar-30-09 04:01 PM |
#118 |
| -
I am shocked and saddened by your views on this |
oberliner |
Mar-29-09 11:41 AM |
#11 |
| -
Trotting out a group of children, to entertain the occupiers is inappropriate on every level. |
ProgressiveMuslim |
Mar-29-09 11:51 AM |
#12 |
| -
I can see why you feel as you do. |
ProgressiveMuslim |
Mar-29-09 11:54 AM |
#13 |
| -
Collaboration, Appeasement, Kow Tow, Prostration, Capitulation |
GoesTo11 |
Mar-29-09 02:16 PM |
#24 |
| -
Something not mentioned in the article |
azurnoir |
Mar-29-09 02:30 PM |
#25 |
| -
You consider that people living in Holon are occupiers? |
henank |
Mar-29-09 03:51 PM |
#34 |
| -
Every citizen in Israel bears responsibility for the ongoing violent military institution. |
ProgressiveMuslim |
Mar-29-09 04:57 PM |
#38 |
| -
Even old age pensioners with numbers tattooed on their arms? |
Ken Burch |
Mar-30-09 01:20 AM |
#70 |
| -
I emphatically disagree with that... |
LeftishBrit |
Mar-30-09 06:08 AM |
#80 |
| -
I disagree. I belive that in a democracy all citizens are responsible for the actions of |
ProgressiveMuslim |
Mar-30-09 07:36 AM |
#90 |
| -
do you hold Palestinians to that standard, in their "democracy"? |
shira |
Mar-30-09 08:26 PM |
#120 |
| -
Unfortuantely, Israel has not allowed Palestine the luxury of a representative democracy. |
ProgressiveMuslim |
Mar-31-09 05:54 AM |
#122 |
| -
Depends on the children and the Afrikaners, doesn't it? |
Igel |
Mar-29-09 04:02 PM |
#35 |
| -
Do you think those elderly Israelis bear no responsibility for Israel's ongoing occupation? |
ProgressiveMuslim |
Mar-29-09 04:59 PM |
#39 |
| -
They may bear some responsibility(depending on what they themselves did back in the day |
Ken Burch |
Mar-30-09 01:21 AM |
#71 |
| -
That analogy SO doesn't work |
Ken Burch |
Mar-30-09 12:38 AM |
#59 |
| -
Hoping those who express their sadness will answer this question: |
ProgressiveMuslim |
Mar-29-09 03:14 PM |
#27 |
| -
If a Black South African youth orchestra conductor asked if his/her group could perform |
oberliner |
Mar-29-09 03:50 PM |
#33 |
| -
OMG. |
ProgressiveMuslim |
Mar-29-09 05:00 PM |
#40 |
| -
Jews in camps playing for Nazis? |
oberliner |
Mar-29-09 05:50 PM |
#43 |
| -
I guess so. Victims entertaining oppressors, in ANY situation, is inappropriate. |
ProgressiveMuslim |
Mar-29-09 08:51 PM |
#50 |
| -
Why does it matter who stops the hatred first? |
Jefferson23 |
Mar-29-09 05:45 PM |
#42 |
| -
The so-called "hatred" won't stop until the behavior that creates it stops. |
ProgressiveMuslim |
Mar-29-09 08:52 PM |
#51 |
| -
And nothing else in between is acceptable? |
Jefferson23 |
Mar-29-09 09:21 PM |
#53 |
| -
Truthfully, I think |
ProgressiveMuslim |
Mar-29-09 09:41 PM |
#54 |
| -
I said I would comment no more, but here I feel I must add one |
Jefferson23 |
Mar-29-09 10:22 PM |
#56 |
| -
"Those poor kids in Jenin have nothing..." |
Ken Burch |
Mar-30-09 01:27 AM |
#73 |
| -
I hear what you're saying. |
ProgressiveMuslim |
Mar-30-09 05:33 AM |
#75 |
| -
I'm glad to hear that. |
Ken Burch |
Mar-30-09 06:34 AM |
#83 |
| -
Let me be clear: I am a 100% believer in the value of the arts for building bridges. |
ProgressiveMuslim |
Mar-30-09 07:27 AM |
#89 |
| -
That's nothing like this situation |
Ken Burch |
Mar-30-09 01:25 AM |
#72 |
| -
Not only that |
Vegasaurus |
Mar-30-09 06:06 AM |
#79 |
| -
Well, I must say this interest in the musical abilities of Palestinian children is ecouraging. |
bemildred |
Mar-29-09 06:38 PM |
#44 |
| -
Palestinian orchestra |
lwiz2003 |
Mar-29-09 07:40 PM |
#47 |
| -
The goal is not "improvement of Palestinians lives." The goal is freedom -- |
ProgressiveMuslim |
Mar-29-09 09:14 PM |
#52 |
| -
I can agree with a lot of what you say in that post. |
Ken Burch |
Mar-30-09 01:06 AM |
#66 |
| -
Eh, welcome to DU. |
bemildred |
Mar-29-09 10:01 PM |
#55 |
| -
palestinian orchestra |
lwiz2003 |
Mar-30-09 12:19 AM |
#57 |
| -
Very interesting and inspiring post |
LeftishBrit |
Mar-30-09 03:28 AM |
#74 |
| -
I think you covered just about everything I was thinking... |
Violet_Crumble |
Mar-30-09 05:51 AM |
#77 |
| -
Well they could be training as minstrals of sorts n/t |
azurnoir |
Mar-30-09 12:35 AM |
#58 |
| -
It's a shame we can't talk about the 2 different ways this is viewed, rather than just be "shocked" |
ProgressiveMuslim |
Mar-30-09 05:34 AM |
#76 |
| -
The shock comes from your attitude |
Vegasaurus |
Mar-30-09 06:08 AM |
#81 |
| -
Oh Veggie! I have so missed you... |
ProgressiveMuslim |
Mar-30-09 06:44 AM |
#86 |
| -
Deleted message |
Name removed |
Mar-30-09 06:46 AM |
#87 |
| -
She doesn't have supporters and she hasn't driven anyone away... |
Violet_Crumble |
Mar-30-09 07:17 AM |
#88 |
| -
So speaks the most disagreeable person on this forum! |
Vegasaurus |
Mar-30-09 08:19 AM |
#95 |
| -
Coming from the most ignorant troll on the forum, I can't say I'm worried what you think... |
Violet_Crumble |
Mar-30-09 08:22 AM |
#97 |
| -
Talking about how *shocked!!!!* we are makes it so we don't have to talk about anything else... |
Violet_Crumble |
Mar-30-09 06:08 AM |
#82 |
| -
With you on that one. |
Ken Burch |
Mar-30-09 01:12 AM |
#67 |
Printer-friendly format
Email this thread to a friend
Bookmark this thread