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Ken Burch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-30-09 01:20 AM
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70. Even old age pensioners with numbers tattooed on their arms?
And why, again, are you assuming that this concert was coerced? Why can't you accept that these kids could have made this choice on their own?

The Palestinians need liberation. This concert did nothing to delay the day of that.

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  -Jenin orchestra shut down after playing for survivors henank  Mar-29-09 09:13 AM   #0 
  - Sigh  ayeshahaqqiqa   Mar-29-09 09:20 AM   #1 
  - I agree wiith you  LeftishBrit   Mar-29-09 09:46 AM   #2 
  - I know I have the minority view here...  ProgressiveMuslim   Mar-29-09 09:48 AM   #3 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Mar-29-09 10:23 AM   #4 
  - Utter nonsense.  ProgressiveMuslim   Mar-29-09 11:34 AM   #10 
  - Yet there is only one way to overcome hate  ayeshahaqqiqa   Mar-29-09 10:35 AM   #5 
  - Are you asking the children of Jenin, flattened 7 years ago, to forgive??  ProgressiveMuslim   Mar-29-09 11:33 AM   #9 
     - The point is here, it isn't the children who refused to play for the Israelis  LeftishBrit   Mar-29-09 11:59 AM   #14 
     - Do you think Palestinian children are like American children?  ProgressiveMuslim   Mar-29-09 12:00 PM   #15 
        - The group has played in Israel several times before  oberliner   Mar-29-09 12:28 PM   #18 
           - I found this quote from a survivor very telling...  ProgressiveMuslim   Mar-29-09 03:22 PM   #28 
              - I have no idea what you are reacting to in that quote  oberliner   Mar-29-09 03:39 PM   #32 
              - Asl though the onus of understanding in that situation... where those mature adults  ProgressiveMuslim   Mar-29-09 04:56 PM   #36 
                 - You don't think young Palestinians should learn about the Holocaust?  oberliner   Mar-29-09 05:30 PM   #41 
                 - Don't you think adult Jews in Israel should learn about the reality of their occupation?  ProgressiveMuslim   Mar-29-09 08:49 PM   #48 
                    - Of course they should. But why do you assume that this concert works against that goal?  Ken Burch   Mar-30-09 12:56 AM   #63 
                 - Yes, Israel has oppressed the Palestinians. This concert wasn't part of the oppression.  Ken Burch   Mar-30-09 12:57 AM   #64 
                    - Ken , you do not have all the facts.  ProgressiveMuslim   Mar-31-09 05:55 AM   #123 
              - You would agree that Palestinian children and the whole Palestinian movement  Ken Burch   Mar-30-09 12:51 AM   #61 
     - Yes  ayeshahaqqiqa   Mar-29-09 03:24 PM   #30 
     - As with any abuser, forgiveness absent of repentance is pointless, don't you think?  ProgressiveMuslim   Mar-29-09 08:50 PM   #49 
        - No  ayeshahaqqiqa   Mar-30-09 07:56 AM   #93 
           - Do you expect sexually abused children to forgive their abusers while the crimes are ongoing?  ProgressiveMuslim   Mar-31-09 06:01 AM   #124 
     - You know those elderly people themselves bear no blame for what was done to Jenin  Ken Burch   Mar-30-09 12:47 AM   #60 
     - Doing this concert does NOT mean forgiving what was done to the children of Jenin  Ken Burch   Mar-30-09 12:52 AM   #62 
  - "One big difference is that the Palestinians had to return to the camp after they entertained."  Jefferson23   Mar-29-09 10:48 AM   #6 
  - Strongly agree  LeftishBrit   Mar-29-09 10:53 AM   #7 
  - How sad if a group of kids, who don't even know what's what -- have to be paraded in front  ProgressiveMuslim   Mar-29-09 11:32 AM   #8 
  - Well again, what you are characterizing as pathetic is another reason  Jefferson23   Mar-29-09 12:03 PM   #16 
  - Yes it is so touching and sweet  azurnoir   Mar-30-09 03:06 PM   #117 
     - The boys words are much more than sweet and dear of heart.  Jefferson23   Mar-30-09 07:43 PM   #119 
        - The kid gets part of it  azurnoir   Mar-30-09 10:12 PM   #121 
  - "I'm here to raise spirits," Younis said. "These are poor, old people."  oberliner   Mar-29-09 12:03 PM   #17 
     - Tell that to the IDF!  IndianaGreen   Mar-29-09 01:03 PM   #20 
        - Huh?  oberliner   Mar-29-09 01:24 PM   #22 
  - The contact and exchange is useless within the context of the Occupation  IndianaGreen   Mar-29-09 12:57 PM   #19 
  - I disagree that the exchange is useless, the fact that the children  Jefferson23   Mar-29-09 01:47 PM   #23 
  - It is truly shocking.  ProgressiveMuslim   Mar-29-09 03:23 PM   #29 
  - Interesting narcissism on your part. n/t  Sezu   Mar-29-09 07:09 PM   #45 
     - Less interesting to me. But then, I'm used to it.  Jim Sagle   Mar-29-09 07:16 PM   #46 
     - Uninteresting meaningless statement of derision on yours.  Ken Burch   Mar-30-09 01:13 AM   #68 
  - I agree that the kids should not have had to go back to the camp  Ken Burch   Mar-30-09 01:05 AM   #65 
  - They think the Holocaust is "political"  Vegasaurus   Mar-30-09 06:04 AM   #78 
  - I really doubt that it's "most".  Ken Burch   Mar-30-09 06:36 AM   #84 
     - I don't know the number or percentage of Arab/Palestinian Holocaust deniers  Vegasaurus   Mar-30-09 06:40 AM   #85 
        - Let's not say 'many'. Let's say you have no idea...n/t  Violet_Crumble   Mar-30-09 07:40 AM   #91 
           - Of course it is many (many, many, in fact)  Vegasaurus   Mar-30-09 08:21 AM   #96 
           - Veggie: 'I don't know the number or percentage of Arab/Palestinian Holocaust deniers'  Violet_Crumble   Mar-30-09 08:30 AM   #99 
              - I am sure you will be happy to read my post about all the many deniers  Vegasaurus   Mar-30-09 08:32 AM   #101 
              - Clearly yr having problems reading my posts...  Violet_Crumble   Mar-30-09 08:35 AM   #103 
              - I said MANY, many Arabs and Palestinians are Holocaust deniers  Vegasaurus   Mar-30-09 08:41 AM   #106 
                 - You said you didn't know how many...  Violet_Crumble   Mar-30-09 08:44 AM   #109 
                    - I don't hate anyone but liars and hypocrites  Vegasaurus   Mar-30-09 08:45 AM   #110 
                       - A self-hating liar?  Violet_Crumble   Mar-30-09 08:49 AM   #113 
                          - Yr right violet, what can I say? Yr right!  Vegasaurus   Mar-30-09 08:52 AM   #115 
           - Here, I will make it easy for you  Vegasaurus   Mar-30-09 08:26 AM   #98 
              - Didn't quite catch the numbers there, Veggie...  Violet_Crumble   Mar-30-09 08:32 AM   #100 
                 - Do you deny these quotes?  Vegasaurus   Mar-30-09 08:33 AM   #102 
                    - Do you bother reading any response to you?  Violet_Crumble   Mar-30-09 08:37 AM   #104 
                       - I said many, many Arabs and Palestinians are Holocaust deniers  Vegasaurus   Mar-30-09 08:40 AM   #105 
                          - And you provided no proof of that....  Violet_Crumble   Mar-30-09 08:42 AM   #107 
                             - Of course there was proof  Vegasaurus   Mar-30-09 08:43 AM   #108 
                                - No there was no proof....  Violet_Crumble   Mar-30-09 08:47 AM   #111 
                                   - Ok, Violet, if that helps you sleep at night!  Vegasaurus   Mar-30-09 08:47 AM   #112 
                                      - Nothing to do with sleep. I'm just pointing out the bleeding obvious...n/t  Violet_Crumble   Mar-30-09 08:50 AM   #114 
  - Ken, I don't think the critics mean the Hologcaust is political, but rather that the way the  ProgressiveMuslim   Mar-31-09 07:03 AM   #126 
  - so... arrogant  Shaktimaan   Mar-30-09 07:46 AM   #92 
     - so,,,,hypocritical...  Violet_Crumble   Mar-30-09 07:58 AM   #94 
        - You think? well, let's see...  Shaktimaan   Mar-30-09 11:43 AM   #116 
           - Yeah, I think what yr saying is bullshit...  Violet_Crumble   Mar-31-09 06:57 AM   #125 
  - So in the spirit of mutual exchange  azurnoir   Mar-29-09 01:17 PM   #21 
     - What was mutual about this?  ProgressiveMuslim   Mar-29-09 03:05 PM   #26 
        - The orchestra director herself requested permission to give this performance  oberliner   Mar-29-09 03:31 PM   #31 
        - That's why it's being disbanded.  ProgressiveMuslim   Mar-29-09 04:56 PM   #37 
           - Then it would have been enough to criticize the orchestra leader for that.  Ken Burch   Mar-30-09 01:16 AM   #69 
              - I agree that the group should be allowed to play, but that they DEFINITELY need new leadership.  ProgressiveMuslim   Mar-31-09 07:05 AM   #127 
        - Well that was kind of my point n/t  azurnoir   Mar-30-09 04:01 PM   #118 
  - I am shocked and saddened by your views on this  oberliner   Mar-29-09 11:41 AM   #11 
  - Trotting out a group of children, to entertain the occupiers is inappropriate on every level.  ProgressiveMuslim   Mar-29-09 11:51 AM   #12 
     - I can see why you feel as you do.  ProgressiveMuslim   Mar-29-09 11:54 AM   #13 
     - Collaboration, Appeasement, Kow Tow, Prostration, Capitulation  GoesTo11   Mar-29-09 02:16 PM   #24 
     - Something not mentioned in the article  azurnoir   Mar-29-09 02:30 PM   #25 
     - You consider that people living in Holon are occupiers?  henank   Mar-29-09 03:51 PM   #34 
        - Every citizen in Israel bears responsibility for the ongoing violent military institution.  ProgressiveMuslim   Mar-29-09 04:57 PM   #38 
           - Even old age pensioners with numbers tattooed on their arms?  Ken Burch   Mar-30-09 01:20 AM   #70 
           - I emphatically disagree with that...  LeftishBrit   Mar-30-09 06:08 AM   #80 
              - I disagree. I belive that in a democracy all citizens are responsible for the actions of  ProgressiveMuslim   Mar-30-09 07:36 AM   #90 
                 - do you hold Palestinians to that standard, in their "democracy"?  shira   Mar-30-09 08:26 PM   #120 
                    - Unfortuantely, Israel has not allowed Palestine the luxury of a representative democracy.  ProgressiveMuslim   Mar-31-09 05:54 AM   #122 
  - Depends on the children and the Afrikaners, doesn't it?  Igel   Mar-29-09 04:02 PM   #35 
  - Do you think those elderly Israelis bear no responsibility for Israel's ongoing occupation?  ProgressiveMuslim   Mar-29-09 04:59 PM   #39 
     - They may bear some responsibility(depending on what they themselves did back in the day  Ken Burch   Mar-30-09 01:21 AM   #71 
  - That analogy SO doesn't work  Ken Burch   Mar-30-09 12:38 AM   #59 
  - Hoping those who express their sadness will answer this question:  ProgressiveMuslim   Mar-29-09 03:14 PM   #27 
  - If a Black South African youth orchestra conductor asked if his/her group could perform  oberliner   Mar-29-09 03:50 PM   #33 
  - OMG.  ProgressiveMuslim   Mar-29-09 05:00 PM   #40 
     - Jews in camps playing for Nazis?  oberliner   Mar-29-09 05:50 PM   #43 
        - I guess so. Victims entertaining oppressors, in ANY situation, is inappropriate.  ProgressiveMuslim   Mar-29-09 08:51 PM   #50 
  - Why does it matter who stops the hatred first?  Jefferson23   Mar-29-09 05:45 PM   #42 
  - The so-called "hatred" won't stop until the behavior that creates it stops.  ProgressiveMuslim   Mar-29-09 08:52 PM   #51 
     - And nothing else in between is acceptable?  Jefferson23   Mar-29-09 09:21 PM   #53 
        - Truthfully, I think  ProgressiveMuslim   Mar-29-09 09:41 PM   #54 
           - I said I would comment no more, but here I feel I must add one  Jefferson23   Mar-29-09 10:22 PM   #56 
           - "Those poor kids in Jenin have nothing..."  Ken Burch   Mar-30-09 01:27 AM   #73 
              - I hear what you're saying.  ProgressiveMuslim   Mar-30-09 05:33 AM   #75 
                 - I'm glad to hear that.  Ken Burch   Mar-30-09 06:34 AM   #83 
                    - Let me be clear: I am a 100% believer in the value of the arts for building bridges.  ProgressiveMuslim   Mar-30-09 07:27 AM   #89 
  - That's nothing like this situation  Ken Burch   Mar-30-09 01:25 AM   #72 
     - Not only that  Vegasaurus   Mar-30-09 06:06 AM   #79 
  - Well, I must say this interest in the musical abilities of Palestinian children is ecouraging.  bemildred   Mar-29-09 06:38 PM   #44 
     - Palestinian orchestra  lwiz2003   Mar-29-09 07:40 PM   #47 
     - The goal is not "improvement of Palestinians lives." The goal is freedom --  ProgressiveMuslim   Mar-29-09 09:14 PM   #52 
     - I can agree with a lot of what you say in that post.  Ken Burch   Mar-30-09 01:06 AM   #66 
     - Eh, welcome to DU.  bemildred   Mar-29-09 10:01 PM   #55 
     - palestinian orchestra  lwiz2003   Mar-30-09 12:19 AM   #57 
     - Very interesting and inspiring post  LeftishBrit   Mar-30-09 03:28 AM   #74 
     - I think you covered just about everything I was thinking...  Violet_Crumble   Mar-30-09 05:51 AM   #77 
     - Well they could be training as minstrals of sorts n/t  azurnoir   Mar-30-09 12:35 AM   #58 
     - It's a shame we can't talk about the 2 different ways this is viewed, rather than just be "shocked"  ProgressiveMuslim   Mar-30-09 05:34 AM   #76 
        - The shock comes from your attitude  Vegasaurus   Mar-30-09 06:08 AM   #81 
        - Oh Veggie! I have so missed you...  ProgressiveMuslim   Mar-30-09 06:44 AM   #86 
           - Deleted message  Name removed   Mar-30-09 06:46 AM   #87 
              - She doesn't have supporters and she hasn't driven anyone away...  Violet_Crumble   Mar-30-09 07:17 AM   #88 
                 - So speaks the most disagreeable person on this forum!  Vegasaurus   Mar-30-09 08:19 AM   #95 
                    - Coming from the most ignorant troll on the forum, I can't say I'm worried what you think...  Violet_Crumble   Mar-30-09 08:22 AM   #97 
        - Talking about how *shocked!!!!* we are makes it so we don't have to talk about anything else...  Violet_Crumble   Mar-30-09 06:08 AM   #82 
     - With you on that one.  Ken Burch   Mar-30-09 01:12 AM   #67 

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