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ProgressiveMuslim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-29-09 03:23 PM
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29. It is truly shocking.
It really amazes me that people can think so differently about this.
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  -Jenin orchestra shut down after playing for survivors henank  Mar-29-09 09:13 AM   #0 
  - Sigh  ayeshahaqqiqa   Mar-29-09 09:20 AM   #1 
  - I agree wiith you  LeftishBrit   Mar-29-09 09:46 AM   #2 
  - I know I have the minority view here...  ProgressiveMuslim   Mar-29-09 09:48 AM   #3 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Mar-29-09 10:23 AM   #4 
  - Utter nonsense.  ProgressiveMuslim   Mar-29-09 11:34 AM   #10 
  - Yet there is only one way to overcome hate  ayeshahaqqiqa   Mar-29-09 10:35 AM   #5 
  - Are you asking the children of Jenin, flattened 7 years ago, to forgive??  ProgressiveMuslim   Mar-29-09 11:33 AM   #9 
     - The point is here, it isn't the children who refused to play for the Israelis  LeftishBrit   Mar-29-09 11:59 AM   #14 
     - Do you think Palestinian children are like American children?  ProgressiveMuslim   Mar-29-09 12:00 PM   #15 
        - The group has played in Israel several times before  oberliner   Mar-29-09 12:28 PM   #18 
           - I found this quote from a survivor very telling...  ProgressiveMuslim   Mar-29-09 03:22 PM   #28 
              - I have no idea what you are reacting to in that quote  oberliner   Mar-29-09 03:39 PM   #32 
              - Asl though the onus of understanding in that situation... where those mature adults  ProgressiveMuslim   Mar-29-09 04:56 PM   #36 
                 - You don't think young Palestinians should learn about the Holocaust?  oberliner   Mar-29-09 05:30 PM   #41 
                 - Don't you think adult Jews in Israel should learn about the reality of their occupation?  ProgressiveMuslim   Mar-29-09 08:49 PM   #48 
                    - Of course they should. But why do you assume that this concert works against that goal?  Ken Burch   Mar-30-09 12:56 AM   #63 
                 - Yes, Israel has oppressed the Palestinians. This concert wasn't part of the oppression.  Ken Burch   Mar-30-09 12:57 AM   #64 
                    - Ken , you do not have all the facts.  ProgressiveMuslim   Mar-31-09 05:55 AM   #123 
              - You would agree that Palestinian children and the whole Palestinian movement  Ken Burch   Mar-30-09 12:51 AM   #61 
     - Yes  ayeshahaqqiqa   Mar-29-09 03:24 PM   #30 
     - As with any abuser, forgiveness absent of repentance is pointless, don't you think?  ProgressiveMuslim   Mar-29-09 08:50 PM   #49 
        - No  ayeshahaqqiqa   Mar-30-09 07:56 AM   #93 
           - Do you expect sexually abused children to forgive their abusers while the crimes are ongoing?  ProgressiveMuslim   Mar-31-09 06:01 AM   #124 
     - You know those elderly people themselves bear no blame for what was done to Jenin  Ken Burch   Mar-30-09 12:47 AM   #60 
     - Doing this concert does NOT mean forgiving what was done to the children of Jenin  Ken Burch   Mar-30-09 12:52 AM   #62 
  - "One big difference is that the Palestinians had to return to the camp after they entertained."  Jefferson23   Mar-29-09 10:48 AM   #6 
  - Strongly agree  LeftishBrit   Mar-29-09 10:53 AM   #7 
  - How sad if a group of kids, who don't even know what's what -- have to be paraded in front  ProgressiveMuslim   Mar-29-09 11:32 AM   #8 
  - Well again, what you are characterizing as pathetic is another reason  Jefferson23   Mar-29-09 12:03 PM   #16 
  - Yes it is so touching and sweet  azurnoir   Mar-30-09 03:06 PM   #117 
     - The boys words are much more than sweet and dear of heart.  Jefferson23   Mar-30-09 07:43 PM   #119 
        - The kid gets part of it  azurnoir   Mar-30-09 10:12 PM   #121 
  - "I'm here to raise spirits," Younis said. "These are poor, old people."  oberliner   Mar-29-09 12:03 PM   #17 
     - Tell that to the IDF!  IndianaGreen   Mar-29-09 01:03 PM   #20 
        - Huh?  oberliner   Mar-29-09 01:24 PM   #22 
  - The contact and exchange is useless within the context of the Occupation  IndianaGreen   Mar-29-09 12:57 PM   #19 
  - I disagree that the exchange is useless, the fact that the children  Jefferson23   Mar-29-09 01:47 PM   #23 
  - It is truly shocking.  ProgressiveMuslim   Mar-29-09 03:23 PM   #29 
  - Interesting narcissism on your part. n/t  Sezu   Mar-29-09 07:09 PM   #45 
     - Less interesting to me. But then, I'm used to it.  Jim Sagle   Mar-29-09 07:16 PM   #46 
     - Uninteresting meaningless statement of derision on yours.  Ken Burch   Mar-30-09 01:13 AM   #68 
  - I agree that the kids should not have had to go back to the camp  Ken Burch   Mar-30-09 01:05 AM   #65 
  - They think the Holocaust is "political"  Vegasaurus   Mar-30-09 06:04 AM   #78 
  - I really doubt that it's "most".  Ken Burch   Mar-30-09 06:36 AM   #84 
     - I don't know the number or percentage of Arab/Palestinian Holocaust deniers  Vegasaurus   Mar-30-09 06:40 AM   #85 
        - Let's not say 'many'. Let's say you have no idea...n/t  Violet_Crumble   Mar-30-09 07:40 AM   #91 
           - Of course it is many (many, many, in fact)  Vegasaurus   Mar-30-09 08:21 AM   #96 
           - Veggie: 'I don't know the number or percentage of Arab/Palestinian Holocaust deniers'  Violet_Crumble   Mar-30-09 08:30 AM   #99 
              - I am sure you will be happy to read my post about all the many deniers  Vegasaurus   Mar-30-09 08:32 AM   #101 
              - Clearly yr having problems reading my posts...  Violet_Crumble   Mar-30-09 08:35 AM   #103 
              - I said MANY, many Arabs and Palestinians are Holocaust deniers  Vegasaurus   Mar-30-09 08:41 AM   #106 
                 - You said you didn't know how many...  Violet_Crumble   Mar-30-09 08:44 AM   #109 
                    - I don't hate anyone but liars and hypocrites  Vegasaurus   Mar-30-09 08:45 AM   #110 
                       - A self-hating liar?  Violet_Crumble   Mar-30-09 08:49 AM   #113 
                          - Yr right violet, what can I say? Yr right!  Vegasaurus   Mar-30-09 08:52 AM   #115 
           - Here, I will make it easy for you  Vegasaurus   Mar-30-09 08:26 AM   #98 
              - Didn't quite catch the numbers there, Veggie...  Violet_Crumble   Mar-30-09 08:32 AM   #100 
                 - Do you deny these quotes?  Vegasaurus   Mar-30-09 08:33 AM   #102 
                    - Do you bother reading any response to you?  Violet_Crumble   Mar-30-09 08:37 AM   #104 
                       - I said many, many Arabs and Palestinians are Holocaust deniers  Vegasaurus   Mar-30-09 08:40 AM   #105 
                          - And you provided no proof of that....  Violet_Crumble   Mar-30-09 08:42 AM   #107 
                             - Of course there was proof  Vegasaurus   Mar-30-09 08:43 AM   #108 
                                - No there was no proof....  Violet_Crumble   Mar-30-09 08:47 AM   #111 
                                   - Ok, Violet, if that helps you sleep at night!  Vegasaurus   Mar-30-09 08:47 AM   #112 
                                      - Nothing to do with sleep. I'm just pointing out the bleeding obvious...n/t  Violet_Crumble   Mar-30-09 08:50 AM   #114 
  - Ken, I don't think the critics mean the Hologcaust is political, but rather that the way the  ProgressiveMuslim   Mar-31-09 07:03 AM   #126 
  - so... arrogant  Shaktimaan   Mar-30-09 07:46 AM   #92 
     - so,,,,hypocritical...  Violet_Crumble   Mar-30-09 07:58 AM   #94 
        - You think? well, let's see...  Shaktimaan   Mar-30-09 11:43 AM   #116 
           - Yeah, I think what yr saying is bullshit...  Violet_Crumble   Mar-31-09 06:57 AM   #125 
  - So in the spirit of mutual exchange  azurnoir   Mar-29-09 01:17 PM   #21 
     - What was mutual about this?  ProgressiveMuslim   Mar-29-09 03:05 PM   #26 
        - The orchestra director herself requested permission to give this performance  oberliner   Mar-29-09 03:31 PM   #31 
        - That's why it's being disbanded.  ProgressiveMuslim   Mar-29-09 04:56 PM   #37 
           - Then it would have been enough to criticize the orchestra leader for that.  Ken Burch   Mar-30-09 01:16 AM   #69 
              - I agree that the group should be allowed to play, but that they DEFINITELY need new leadership.  ProgressiveMuslim   Mar-31-09 07:05 AM   #127 
        - Well that was kind of my point n/t  azurnoir   Mar-30-09 04:01 PM   #118 
  - I am shocked and saddened by your views on this  oberliner   Mar-29-09 11:41 AM   #11 
  - Trotting out a group of children, to entertain the occupiers is inappropriate on every level.  ProgressiveMuslim   Mar-29-09 11:51 AM   #12 
     - I can see why you feel as you do.  ProgressiveMuslim   Mar-29-09 11:54 AM   #13 
     - Collaboration, Appeasement, Kow Tow, Prostration, Capitulation  GoesTo11   Mar-29-09 02:16 PM   #24 
     - Something not mentioned in the article  azurnoir   Mar-29-09 02:30 PM   #25 
     - You consider that people living in Holon are occupiers?  henank   Mar-29-09 03:51 PM   #34 
        - Every citizen in Israel bears responsibility for the ongoing violent military institution.  ProgressiveMuslim   Mar-29-09 04:57 PM   #38 
           - Even old age pensioners with numbers tattooed on their arms?  Ken Burch   Mar-30-09 01:20 AM   #70 
           - I emphatically disagree with that...  LeftishBrit   Mar-30-09 06:08 AM   #80 
              - I disagree. I belive that in a democracy all citizens are responsible for the actions of  ProgressiveMuslim   Mar-30-09 07:36 AM   #90 
                 - do you hold Palestinians to that standard, in their "democracy"?  shira   Mar-30-09 08:26 PM   #120 
                    - Unfortuantely, Israel has not allowed Palestine the luxury of a representative democracy.  ProgressiveMuslim   Mar-31-09 05:54 AM   #122 
  - Depends on the children and the Afrikaners, doesn't it?  Igel   Mar-29-09 04:02 PM   #35 
  - Do you think those elderly Israelis bear no responsibility for Israel's ongoing occupation?  ProgressiveMuslim   Mar-29-09 04:59 PM   #39 
     - They may bear some responsibility(depending on what they themselves did back in the day  Ken Burch   Mar-30-09 01:21 AM   #71 
  - That analogy SO doesn't work  Ken Burch   Mar-30-09 12:38 AM   #59 
  - Hoping those who express their sadness will answer this question:  ProgressiveMuslim   Mar-29-09 03:14 PM   #27 
  - If a Black South African youth orchestra conductor asked if his/her group could perform  oberliner   Mar-29-09 03:50 PM   #33 
  - OMG.  ProgressiveMuslim   Mar-29-09 05:00 PM   #40 
     - Jews in camps playing for Nazis?  oberliner   Mar-29-09 05:50 PM   #43 
        - I guess so. Victims entertaining oppressors, in ANY situation, is inappropriate.  ProgressiveMuslim   Mar-29-09 08:51 PM   #50 
  - Why does it matter who stops the hatred first?  Jefferson23   Mar-29-09 05:45 PM   #42 
  - The so-called "hatred" won't stop until the behavior that creates it stops.  ProgressiveMuslim   Mar-29-09 08:52 PM   #51 
     - And nothing else in between is acceptable?  Jefferson23   Mar-29-09 09:21 PM   #53 
        - Truthfully, I think  ProgressiveMuslim   Mar-29-09 09:41 PM   #54 
           - I said I would comment no more, but here I feel I must add one  Jefferson23   Mar-29-09 10:22 PM   #56 
           - "Those poor kids in Jenin have nothing..."  Ken Burch   Mar-30-09 01:27 AM   #73 
              - I hear what you're saying.  ProgressiveMuslim   Mar-30-09 05:33 AM   #75 
                 - I'm glad to hear that.  Ken Burch   Mar-30-09 06:34 AM   #83 
                    - Let me be clear: I am a 100% believer in the value of the arts for building bridges.  ProgressiveMuslim   Mar-30-09 07:27 AM   #89 
  - That's nothing like this situation  Ken Burch   Mar-30-09 01:25 AM   #72 
     - Not only that  Vegasaurus   Mar-30-09 06:06 AM   #79 
  - Well, I must say this interest in the musical abilities of Palestinian children is ecouraging.  bemildred   Mar-29-09 06:38 PM   #44 
     - Palestinian orchestra  lwiz2003   Mar-29-09 07:40 PM   #47 
     - The goal is not "improvement of Palestinians lives." The goal is freedom --  ProgressiveMuslim   Mar-29-09 09:14 PM   #52 
     - I can agree with a lot of what you say in that post.  Ken Burch   Mar-30-09 01:06 AM   #66 
     - Eh, welcome to DU.  bemildred   Mar-29-09 10:01 PM   #55 
     - palestinian orchestra  lwiz2003   Mar-30-09 12:19 AM   #57 
     - Very interesting and inspiring post  LeftishBrit   Mar-30-09 03:28 AM   #74 
     - I think you covered just about everything I was thinking...  Violet_Crumble   Mar-30-09 05:51 AM   #77 
     - Well they could be training as minstrals of sorts n/t  azurnoir   Mar-30-09 12:35 AM   #58 
     - It's a shame we can't talk about the 2 different ways this is viewed, rather than just be "shocked"  ProgressiveMuslim   Mar-30-09 05:34 AM   #76 
        - The shock comes from your attitude  Vegasaurus   Mar-30-09 06:08 AM   #81 
        - Oh Veggie! I have so missed you...  ProgressiveMuslim   Mar-30-09 06:44 AM   #86 
           - Deleted message  Name removed   Mar-30-09 06:46 AM   #87 
              - She doesn't have supporters and she hasn't driven anyone away...  Violet_Crumble   Mar-30-09 07:17 AM   #88 
                 - So speaks the most disagreeable person on this forum!  Vegasaurus   Mar-30-09 08:19 AM   #95 
                    - Coming from the most ignorant troll on the forum, I can't say I'm worried what you think...  Violet_Crumble   Mar-30-09 08:22 AM   #97 
        - Talking about how *shocked!!!!* we are makes it so we don't have to talk about anything else...  Violet_Crumble   Mar-30-09 06:08 AM   #82 
     - With you on that one.  Ken Burch   Mar-30-09 01:12 AM   #67 
 

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