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bemildred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-27-09 07:29 PM
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56. Army says most Gaza fatalities were rebels
If I read this right, the idea is that Hamas etc. are "rebels" against Fatah/PLO/Abbas, and the IDF was defending Fatah/PLO in the Gaza offensive.

TEL AVIV More than two months after its 22-day offensive in Gaza, Israel and the Palestinians continued yesterday to argue over the total number of Palestinian deaths and over civilians killed in the war. The Israeli military overnight published its own casualty figures of the offensive, saying at least 60 per cent of the total Palestinian dead were rebels. In a statement sent to the media it said that 1,166 Palestinians died in the offensive, adding it had collected their names and that 709 of them were rebels.

Most of these rebels were members of the Hamas movement ruling Gaza, while a small number were members of other rebel factions involved in fighting Israel, a military spokeswoman in Tel Aviv said yesterday. She said the figures are the result of a thorough investigation by the Research Department of the Israel Defence Forces (IDF) Intelligence Corps. But the Gaza-based Palestinian Centre For Human Rights (PCHR), which published its own final death toll last week, accused Israel of trying to distort reality.

According to the PCHR, 1,417 Palestinians died in the offensive, nearly two-third of them civilians. It has published a list with all 1,417 names, detailing their ages, dates of death and other specifics. It says that of the dead, 236 were fighters and 255 non-combatant police officers, leaving 926 civilians, who include 313 minors and 116 women. The Israeli military said that of its 1,166 names, 295 civilians were certainly killed, including 89 children under the age of 16 and 49 women.
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  -'Allegations of civilian shootings in Gaza categorically false' Fozzledick  Mar-25-09 02:33 PM   #0 
  - I don't as a matter of course, believe internal U.S. armed forces  cali   Mar-25-09 02:37 PM   #1 
  - What part of the soldiers testimony that they were only  Sezu   Mar-25-09 02:54 PM   #7 
     - I think armed forces have a vested interest in  cali   Mar-25-09 02:58 PM   #8 
        - WHO is going to do such "outside" investigation?  Sezu   Mar-25-09 03:03 PM   #10 
        - how about an Israeli organization?  cali   Mar-25-09 03:07 PM   #11 
        - Actually that's an idea I could get behind and there is  Sezu   Mar-25-09 03:11 PM   #12 
        - I don't accept the lies from the IDF investigators  The Second Stone   Mar-26-09 06:50 PM   #39 
        - I agree  LeftishBrit   Mar-25-09 03:34 PM   #13 
           - It appears that the story has caused one famous American based  Sezu   Mar-25-09 03:47 PM   #15 
              - It is a racist cartoon  The Second Stone   Mar-26-09 06:54 PM   #40 
                 - And if Israel HAD been inclined to "kill civilians,"  Sezu   Mar-26-09 07:06 PM   #42 
                    - So it isn't true because the numbers weren't 10 times what they  The Second Stone   Mar-26-09 08:24 PM   #47 
                       - I didn't turn anything into anything you lout. n't  Sezu   Mar-27-09 05:55 PM   #55 
                          - So you were always a goostepper?  The Second Stone   Mar-28-09 12:55 AM   #57 
  - uh-huh....would you care for a ton of evidence other wise or will you just dismiss it away?  ORDagnabbit   Mar-25-09 02:40 PM   #2 
  - The problem with this "report" is that we've seen the footage already.  EFerrari   Mar-25-09 02:40 PM   #3 
  - agree with cali-- this is quite likely a whitewash by the IDF....  mike_c   Mar-25-09 02:45 PM   #4 
  - See what I mean? n/t  Sezu   Mar-25-09 02:47 PM   #6 
  - What PROOF do you have of that claim...that few report honest  Sezu   Mar-25-09 06:23 PM   #16 
  - "This is the same military that still claims not to have nuclear weapons, right?"  Jefferson23   Mar-25-09 06:42 PM   #20 
  - Of course that is what some of us have been saying  Sezu   Mar-25-09 02:46 PM   #5 
  - 'Allegations of civilian shootings in My Lai categorically false'  frylock   Mar-25-09 02:59 PM   #9 
  - 'Allegations of civilian casualties in the Battle of Fallujah categorically false, DoD confirms'  Idealism   Mar-25-09 06:33 PM   #18 
     - the allegations are of indiscriminate and deliberate killings of civilians  shira   Mar-25-09 06:39 PM   #19 
        - And?  Idealism   Mar-25-09 06:50 PM   #21 
  - To the Israeli government ...  Maat   Mar-25-09 03:45 PM   #14 
  - Its always the throwaway remarks at the end...  shaayecanaan   Mar-25-09 06:32 PM   #17 
  - perfect example  shira   Mar-25-09 08:28 PM   #26 
     - perfect example of what? nt  shaayecanaan   Mar-25-09 08:37 PM   #27 
        - perfect example of one of many demonstrably false allegations  shira   Mar-25-09 08:47 PM   #28 
           - Just to clarify: do you agree with it?  shaayecanaan   Mar-25-09 09:52 PM   #29 
              - i think i read somewhere that 12 were killed, 9 of whom were Hamas  shira   Mar-26-09 05:08 AM   #33 
                 - Again, is that what you believe?  shaayecanaan   Mar-26-09 06:00 PM   #36 
                    - whether it's 7 or 12, most killed were combatants  shira   Mar-26-09 06:11 PM   #37 
  - So what we have is somewhere between 300 and 1000+ "accidents"?  bemildred   Mar-25-09 08:06 PM   #22 
  - Don't 'cha know they all have nametags that say "Hi, my name is Jihadist" on them  Idealism   Mar-25-09 08:11 PM   #23 
  - Ah, nice of them to identify themselves so the can be killed "cleanly".  bemildred   Mar-25-09 08:14 PM   #24 
  - Well they don't want modern warfare to denigrate into something messy. n/t  Idealism   Mar-25-09 08:17 PM   #25 
  - What a ridiculous statement. Surely you don't believe that an army  Sezu   Mar-25-09 10:19 PM   #30 
     - As if you are one to preach about ignorance?  Idealism   Mar-25-09 10:22 PM   #31 
     - self delete  Sezu   Mar-26-09 03:57 PM   #34 
        - Sarcasm, how can one tell the difference given most of your  Sezu   Mar-26-09 04:01 PM   #35 
           - To call out an entity for wrong-headed policies is not demonization.  Idealism   Mar-26-09 06:37 PM   #38 
              - It is when it's couched in the usual terms like war crimes,  Sezu   Mar-26-09 07:09 PM   #43 
                 - Point to where I have called Israeli crimes genocide, ethnic cleansing, or a holocaust.  Idealism   Mar-26-09 07:20 PM   #44 
                    - If they are war crimes, why has nothing been done other than  Sezu   Mar-26-09 10:34 PM   #50 
                       - You should look up how the ICC works, and who is and isn't a signatory to it.  Idealism   Mar-26-09 11:30 PM   #51 
                          - Yes yes I know Israel is not a signatory but the ICC can  Sezu   Mar-27-09 11:35 AM   #52 
                             - The security council has to pass a resolution brining it to the Prosecutor.  Idealism   Mar-27-09 01:53 PM   #54 
     - Isn't all the whining about hiding behind civilians about exactly that problem? nt  bemildred   Mar-25-09 10:26 PM   #32 
  - They kill civilians knowing that their propagandist squads  The Second Stone   Mar-26-09 06:56 PM   #41 
     - BS the freaking soldiers who spoke up in the FIRST place later  Sezu   Mar-26-09 07:21 PM   #45 
        - Then why did the IDF discipline the soldiers for wearing the shirts  The Second Stone   Mar-26-09 08:31 PM   #48 
           - Try to stay on topic. We weren't talking t-shirts, we were talking  Sezu   Mar-26-09 10:16 PM   #49 
              - No, you try to stay on topic  The Second Stone   Mar-27-09 12:54 PM   #53 
  - Nice of you to assume that these are the "facts" when they are presented  rateyes   Mar-26-09 08:06 PM   #46 
  - Army says most Gaza fatalities were rebels  bemildred   Mar-27-09 07:29 PM   #56 
  - IDF soldiers speak out  shira   Mar-28-09 12:19 PM   #58 

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