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Wed Jan-14-09 01:38 AM
Response to Reply #68 |
| 72. Israel is at least willing to work for a two state solution |
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Disproportionate military force doesn't erase history you know.
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| -Clinton: No negotiations with Hamas |
leftchick |
Jan-13-09 03:30 PM |
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"Meeting conditions" means using levers. That's a good thing if they do the same with Israel. |
MookieWilson |
Jan-13-09 03:32 PM |
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Exactly. |
Vash the Stampede |
Jan-13-09 03:41 PM |
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Hillary Led on the 2-state solution |
sandnsea |
Jan-13-09 03:34 PM |
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win for the Obama administration. bravo. nt. |
IndianaJones |
Jan-13-09 03:35 PM |
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I agree! |
Behind the Aegis |
Jan-13-09 03:36 PM |
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Did you support the same tack before the Iraq invasion, Aegis? |
Chulanowa |
Jan-13-09 03:49 PM |
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Japan did. nt. |
IndianaJones |
Jan-13-09 04:04 PM |
#28 |
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Not... exactly |
Chulanowa |
Jan-13-09 04:10 PM |
#29 |
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the Obama administration is right on this one. |
IndianaJones |
Jan-13-09 04:12 PM |
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I'm sure it does |
Chulanowa |
Jan-13-09 04:19 PM |
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Demanding preconditions does not equal demanding surrender. |
JDPriestly |
Jan-13-09 05:45 PM |
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Just one little question. |
Ani Yun Wiya |
Jan-14-09 03:39 PM |
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Uhmmm, they aren't in office yet to be in a position to negiotiate |
merh |
Jan-13-09 06:21 PM |
#57 |
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That's not really true. |
TheWraith |
Jan-13-09 04:56 PM |
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That was their starting position. |
endarkenment |
Jan-13-09 04:57 PM |
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except that they were in no position to bargain. |
cali |
Jan-13-09 05:04 PM |
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Nor is Hamas. Hamas should be bargaining for better living |
JDPriestly |
Jan-13-09 05:46 PM |
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So it is fine with you that we incinerated two cities |
endarkenment |
Jan-14-09 08:00 AM |
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and I said that? No, I did not,. |
cali |
Jan-14-09 08:10 AM |
#82 |
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That's some twisted history there. |
tabasco |
Jan-13-09 08:00 PM |
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The problem is that Hamas insists on the right of return. It isn't going to happen |
JDPriestly |
Jan-13-09 05:42 PM |
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I read both your replies before work |
Chulanowa |
Jan-13-09 11:29 PM |
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Good post. |
Spike from MN |
Jan-14-09 09:11 AM |
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that about sums up the censorship in the US media |
leftchick |
Jan-14-09 10:00 AM |
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Jan-13-09 05:07 PM |
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This is not change. n/t |
sfexpat2000 |
Jan-13-09 03:35 PM |
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Will they impose the same requirements on israel? Recognizing the Palestinian right to |
ProgressiveMuslim |
Jan-13-09 03:37 PM |
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To dream the impossible dream. Alas. A "fair handed approach" is off the table. |
Tierra_y_Libertad |
Jan-13-09 03:42 PM |
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no sorry only nightmares allowed |
endarkenment |
Jan-13-09 04:37 PM |
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Israel has shown the willingness to recognize the right of Palestine |
JDPriestly |
Jan-13-09 05:47 PM |
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Oslo... The Faux Peace Process that resulted in exponential settlment expansion? LOL! |
ProgressiveMuslim |
Jan-13-09 05:57 PM |
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No, I don't think it's reasonable to expect anything new from Obama and Clinton. |
iconicgnom |
Jan-14-09 08:24 PM |
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"..a just and lasting peace" while negotiating with only one side? |
Tierra_y_Libertad |
Jan-13-09 03:37 PM |
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more of the same |
leftchick |
Jan-13-09 03:39 PM |
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With, predictably, the same results. |
Tierra_y_Libertad |
Jan-13-09 03:43 PM |
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It's not her policy she was outlining, but that of the Obama administration, meaning, Obama himself. |
rvablue |
Jan-13-09 03:49 PM |
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Yup. Same failed policy. |
Tierra_y_Libertad |
Jan-13-09 03:54 PM |
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Jan-13-09 04:41 PM |
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Good position. I approve. |
cboy4 |
Jan-13-09 03:38 PM |
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That's Right |
atreides1 |
Jan-13-09 03:45 PM |
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Apples and Oranges atreides1 |
cboy4 |
Jan-13-09 03:48 PM |
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So Israel is totally innocent |
atreides1 |
Jan-13-09 03:52 PM |
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I have said that Israel has punished Hamas enough, |
cboy4 |
Jan-13-09 03:58 PM |
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The truce was broken on November 4 when Israel ventured into Gaza and killed 6 Hamas members |
shaayecanaan |
Jan-14-09 06:07 PM |
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Hamas shares much of the blame |
gravity |
Jan-13-09 06:14 PM |
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Ding Ding Ding |
cboy4 |
Jan-13-09 06:36 PM |
#58 |
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Israel broke the truce. |
arikara |
Jan-13-09 05:15 PM |
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Do you pro-Israel folks see the 40+ year violent military occupation having any role in the |
ProgressiveMuslim |
Jan-13-09 05:58 PM |
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they never have an answer for that |
leftchick |
Jan-14-09 09:22 AM |
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*** crickets *** [n/t] |
stranger81 |
Jan-14-09 05:07 PM |
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No. That's why their technique is focus on incidents. |
iconicgnom |
Jan-14-09 08:35 PM |
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Alrighty then, looks like pretty much more of the same. |
High Plains |
Jan-13-09 03:41 PM |
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Helen Thomas on I/P/US... more of the same.... |
leftchick |
Jan-13-09 03:44 PM |
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Back in '92 the head of AIPAC had to resign after bragging he was negotiating with Clinton... |
originalpckelly |
Jan-13-09 03:45 PM |
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I'm shocked I tell ya. Shocked. |
YOY |
Jan-13-09 03:45 PM |
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Quote |
azurnoir |
Jan-13-09 03:54 PM |
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more neo liberalism bullshit from the democrats |
madrchsod |
Jan-13-09 03:56 PM |
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Intractible as Clinton is, she can also flip flop on a dime. |
John Q. Citizen |
Jan-13-09 03:57 PM |
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The right wing israelis who bought and paid for Hillary's primary will get their money's worth. |
Sebastian Doyle |
Jan-13-09 04:01 PM |
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this is the Obama administrations position. whine for 8 years. nt. |
IndianaJones |
Jan-13-09 04:10 PM |
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And, Bush's. |
Tierra_y_Libertad |
Jan-13-09 04:37 PM |
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everything is Hillary's fault. everything! |
jesus_of_suburbia |
Jan-14-09 08:39 AM |
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Do you honestly believe that her position contradicts Obama's position? |
Freddie Stubbs |
Jan-14-09 09:50 AM |
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Allowing Hillary Clinton into your administration is like... |
arcadian |
Jan-13-09 04:12 PM |
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Ugh, that..... |
SillyFlower |
Jan-13-09 04:15 PM |
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"This is not the change we need" |
Hydra |
Jan-13-09 04:17 PM |
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What change? |
RC |
Jan-13-09 04:58 PM |
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Not a whole lot of difference really. Not lately, at any rate. |
Blue State Native |
Jan-13-09 05:06 PM |
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And this is the reason why I didn't want Clinton as SOS |
PFunk |
Jan-13-09 04:30 PM |
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It's the reason I didn't want her to have ANY new power |
Zodiak Ironfist |
Jan-14-09 08:39 AM |
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This is Obama's position as well, video here... |
slipslidingaway |
Jan-13-09 04:34 PM |
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Same fucking bullshit. No surprise though, I knew that getting HRC as SoS would mean a continuation |
scarletwoman |
Jan-13-09 05:31 PM |
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Then why the HELL do we even NEED a SoS??? n/t |
Holly_Hobby |
Jan-13-09 05:39 PM |
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Because Hamas (A) isn't a country and (B) wouldn't be the only one on Earth if it was? (nt) |
Posteritatis |
Jan-14-09 01:07 AM |
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Isn't that the problem? There is no longer a Palestine? n/t |
Holly_Hobby |
Jan-14-09 06:02 AM |
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no negotiations with hamas.....unless it means certain conditions |
spanone |
Jan-13-09 06:37 PM |
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Good. |
emilyg |
Jan-13-09 06:37 PM |
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Hamas's violations are no justification for Israel's actions. |
leftchick |
Jan-13-09 06:41 PM |
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aww, what a cute little puppet she is. |
ima_sinnic |
Jan-13-09 06:47 PM |
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It is way past laughable that anyone would consider the right to exist |
TheKentuckian |
Jan-13-09 06:51 PM |
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Where is our or Israel's recognition of Palestine's right to exist? |
Chulanowa |
Jan-13-09 11:39 PM |
#68 |
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Israel is at least willing to work for a two state solution |
Indenturedebtor |
Jan-14-09 01:38 AM |
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As are the various Palestinian parties Israel has worked with |
Chulanowa |
Jan-14-09 02:02 AM |
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YAwn ...what did you expect? |
L0oniX |
Jan-13-09 07:42 PM |
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So does that mean a green light to the continued current slaughter? |
mmonk |
Jan-13-09 07:44 PM |
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Jan-14-09 01:31 AM |
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It's a good thing that we never have to wait for Hamasnik propaganda |
Indenturedebtor |
Jan-14-09 01:36 AM |
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Temper, temper! Hit a nerve, did I not?? |
Hardrada |
Jan-14-09 02:25 AM |
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"You people" "Israel firsters", etc. Yes you hit a nerve. The same nerve that freepers hit |
Indenturedebtor |
Jan-14-09 02:29 AM |
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nonsense. |
Smith_3 |
Jan-14-09 02:31 AM |
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Thank you! There are whole books written on this topic |
Hardrada |
Jan-14-09 02:41 AM |
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my favorite book on the subject |
leftchick |
Jan-14-09 12:57 PM |
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Sounds like her policy POV (the one I voted against), not his. n/t |
AtomicKitten |
Jan-14-09 04:04 AM |
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But I heard that Obama would be controlling all his rightwing appointments remotely! |
Romulox |
Jan-14-09 08:01 AM |
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I am appalled by his nat'l security appointments (except for Rice and Panetta). |
AtomicKitten |
Jan-14-09 09:45 AM |
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too bad for you Obama is President. it's his policy, not hillary's. |
jesus_of_suburbia |
Jan-14-09 08:41 AM |
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More accurately, too bad for the Palestinians. |
AtomicKitten |
Jan-14-09 09:43 AM |
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They chose Hamas to be their leaders |
Freddie Stubbs |
Jan-14-09 09:57 AM |
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The hundreds of children killed didn't vote. n/t |
AtomicKitten |
Jan-14-09 10:00 AM |
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Hopefully their deaths will not be in vain, and their parents will see the error in their ways |
Freddie Stubbs |
Jan-14-09 10:32 AM |
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probably not |
leftchick |
Jan-14-09 01:00 PM |
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So basically, she is no different than Bush. nt |
Smith_3 |
Jan-14-09 08:19 AM |
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Ultimately it's Obama's decision. |
jesus_of_suburbia |
Jan-14-09 08:42 AM |
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only to the terminally dense or those with an agenda is she "no different than bush" |
cali |
Jan-14-09 08:43 AM |
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oh, bush was willing to negotiate with Hamas? I did not know that! (nt) |
ima_sinnic |
Jan-14-09 01:13 PM |
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The "no negotiation" thing just does not work |
treestar |
Jan-14-09 09:26 AM |
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you've summed up my sentiments exactly. How would we feel about part of the USA being taken away |
ima_sinnic |
Jan-14-09 11:59 AM |
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There is no "military" solution so all there is left is negotiation. |
sfexpat2000 |
Jan-14-09 03:42 PM |
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Israel renounce its right to exist as a precondition to negotiations? Good luck. |
GoesTo11 |
Jan-14-09 05:19 PM |
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Well, given both sides would rather kill each other, someone else needs to step in. |
HypnoToad |
Jan-14-09 12:01 PM |
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So, she's going to "negotiate" with only one side? |
Tierra_y_Libertad |
Jan-14-09 12:13 PM |
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And someone explain to me why John Kerry is defending this free fire zone. |
sfexpat2000 |
Jan-14-09 04:57 PM |
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I thought we had moved beyond this.... |
heraldsqure |
Jan-14-09 04:48 PM |
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hasn't she gotten the memo? that 'strategy' has not been very successful |
okiru109 |
Jan-14-09 10:42 PM |
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the Guardian: 'War on terror' was a mistake, says Miliband |
okiru109 |
Jan-14-09 10:54 PM |
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Good post! |
tan guera |
Jan-15-09 01:48 AM |
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Clinton RRRRRRAWWWWWWXXXXXXXXX!!!! |
Jim Sagle |
Jan-15-09 01:18 AM |
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test |
tan guera |
Jan-15-09 01:44 AM |
#117 |
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