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Mon Jan-12-09 03:35 PM
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| 56. So the other parties get to decide who their competition is? |
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If I'm reading this right, the CEC is made up of members of the bigger parties and they get to decide if a party shouldn't be allowed to run/exist? Even taking out the high likelihood of racism involved in this decision, it just seems like the method is ripe for abuse, even with the check of the Israeli High Court, regardless of whether the new party consists primarily of Arabs, communists, Martians or anything else.
I guess it's a silver lining that precedent says the High Court will overrule the CEC decision. Still, I'll admit my knowledge is minimal, but I've got to question that these two Arab parties are more similar to Kach and Kahane Chai in terms of being dangerous than say...the ultra-Orthdox settlers party.
It's sad that the "best" strategy for elections is still to dump on the minority be they Arabs in Israel, Mexicans in the U.S., Jews in Iran, etc.
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| -Israel bans Arab parties from coming election |
thewiseguy |
Jan-12-09 12:02 PM |
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while it's doubtless a terrible decision, one might consider the Jewish lawmakers in Arab countries |
villager |
Jan-12-09 12:05 PM |
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Actually that is not true. |
thewiseguy |
Jan-12-09 12:11 PM |
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Ciamak Morsathegh n/t |
Scurrilous |
Jan-12-09 12:13 PM |
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Edit: you are correct |
thewiseguy |
Jan-12-09 12:19 PM |
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There's one, still, in Iran? |
villager |
Jan-12-09 12:19 PM |
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Why could not it be a "her"? |
thewiseguy |
Jan-12-09 12:33 PM |
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One doesn't think of Iran as a paradise of feminist sensibility. |
villager |
Jan-12-09 12:35 PM |
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Seriously? Compared to every other country in the region (except Israel) it is |
dmesg |
Jan-12-09 02:48 PM |
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Iranian women |
chocolate ink |
Jan-12-09 05:29 PM |
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sort of like Arabs in Israel. nt |
ProgressiveMuslim |
Jan-13-09 06:59 AM |
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The foreign minister of Bahrain is Jewish (and female) |
shaayecanaan |
Jan-12-09 05:17 PM |
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Really? |
LBJDemocrat |
Jan-12-09 09:01 PM |
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Correction |
shaayecanaan |
Jan-12-09 09:22 PM |
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Iran isn't an Arab country |
harmonicon |
Jan-12-09 12:34 PM |
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Its Persian, not Arab |
HardcoreProgressive |
Jan-13-09 12:50 AM |
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uh, there are 6 Arab Israelis in the Knesset |
cali |
Jan-12-09 12:42 PM |
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Actually there are 12 Israeli Arabs in the Knesset, |
thewiseguy |
Jan-12-09 12:45 PM |
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But??? |
atreides1 |
Jan-12-09 12:25 PM |
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So why should we give billions in aid to a fundamentalist Jewish |
geek tragedy |
Jan-12-09 02:30 PM |
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Do you honestly think Israel is a theocracy like Saudi Arabia??? |
LeftishBrit |
Jan-12-09 03:29 PM |
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That's true, we actually *get* something from Saudi Arabia ;) |
ProgressiveMuslim |
Jan-12-09 04:51 PM |
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And that's why Saudi Arabia actually does influence the American (and British) governments |
LeftishBrit |
Jan-13-09 05:58 AM |
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Are you saying that KSA leads America, and America leads Israel |
ProgressiveMuslim |
Jan-13-09 06:57 AM |
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No. I say that KSA has some influence on America (bribery basically) |
LeftishBrit |
Jan-13-09 07:24 AM |
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Does Israel "influence" America? You didn't address that. |
ProgressiveMuslim |
Jan-13-09 08:03 AM |
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Israel collaborates with America, as Britain does |
LeftishBrit |
Jan-13-09 08:21 AM |
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Closer to the Jim Crow South. |
geek tragedy |
Jan-12-09 05:48 PM |
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Which is why it should not be allowed to happen -and probably won't |
LeftishBrit |
Jan-13-09 06:02 AM |
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There's little distinction between religion/politics/race in the mid-east, including in Israel. |
iconicgnom |
Jan-12-09 09:04 PM |
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Do you honestly think Israel isn't a Jewish state, flying the zionist flag? |
iconicgnom |
Jan-13-09 12:24 PM |
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Zionism is not just a religious issue |
LeftishBrit |
Jan-13-09 01:57 PM |
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I disagree. Israel is a Jewish state, it flies the Zionist flag, theocracy is foundation. |
iconicgnom |
Jan-13-09 02:42 PM |
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"a budding Middle East democracy"????? |
Double_Talk_Express |
Jan-12-09 12:06 PM |
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Silver lining: Less chance of the Arab parties acting as spoilers and letting the Likud Party take |
w4rma |
Jan-12-09 12:06 PM |
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It'll be an unmitigated disaster of Likud wins... |
villager |
Jan-12-09 12:19 PM |
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Those are the freaking fundies are they not? |
YOY |
Jan-12-09 12:37 PM |
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What kind of democracy is that? This stinks of racism, pure and simple. |
High Plains |
Jan-12-09 12:06 PM |
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Jan-12-09 12:16 PM |
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What kind of democracy? |
Baby Snooks |
Jan-12-09 01:01 PM |
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Jan-12-09 12:12 PM |
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Fascism? What fascism... |
halo experiment |
Jan-12-09 12:15 PM |
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Fascists |
harun |
Jan-12-09 12:24 PM |
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IIRC, the Iraeli Supreme Court has overturned racist moves like this in the past. |
Poll_Blind |
Jan-12-09 12:27 PM |
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Israel has yet to follow two Israeli Supreme Court decisions that I know of |
halo experiment |
Jan-12-09 12:29 PM |
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That's interesting... |
Baby Snooks |
Jan-12-09 01:03 PM |
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If I didn't love the idea of America so, I would really hate this country |
halo experiment |
Jan-12-09 01:06 PM |
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This has so much "They are outbreeding us" Neocon fear written all over it... |
YOY |
Jan-12-09 12:35 PM |
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Just replace "Election Committee" with "Lou Dobbs" and "Arabs" with "Hispanics". |
Kristi1696 |
Jan-12-09 12:39 PM |
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And then you get CNN? |
halo experiment |
Jan-12-09 12:42 PM |
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And then you get the "they're outbreeding us" hysteria affecting our nation. |
Kristi1696 |
Jan-12-09 12:43 PM |
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One and the same, imo! |
halo experiment |
Jan-12-09 12:44 PM |
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Excellent point. nt |
Kristi1696 |
Jan-12-09 12:50 PM |
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Thought you might find this interesting. |
Kristi1696 |
Jan-12-09 05:36 PM |
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The Israeli Supreme Court doesn't seem to count for much these days... |
Kristi1696 |
Jan-12-09 12:37 PM |
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I thought we didn't support racist regimes? Oh, silly me. |
High Plains |
Jan-12-09 12:38 PM |
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Why not one state in Palestine where everybody can run and vote? |
High Plains |
Jan-12-09 12:40 PM |
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There would be more Muslims than Jews |
halo experiment |
Jan-12-09 02:23 PM |
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I wonder why people assume everyone would vote in ethnic blocs. |
High Plains |
Jan-12-09 02:39 PM |
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They do in the Middle-East n/t |
halo experiment |
Jan-12-09 02:42 PM |
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Really? How many Israeli political parties are there? |
High Plains |
Jan-12-09 02:45 PM |
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What does that have to do with a one-state election |
halo experiment |
Jan-12-09 02:49 PM |
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The Jews because the Arab vote would be to exterminate/expel... |
ellisonz |
Jan-12-09 02:41 PM |
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An eye for an eye is the way of the Middle-East, no? |
halo experiment |
Jan-12-09 02:44 PM |
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True... |
ellisonz |
Jan-12-09 06:48 PM |
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The answer here is to transplant one of the two sides to another country |
halo experiment |
Jan-12-09 08:07 PM |
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Really? I would love to see some polling on that. Seriously. |
High Plains |
Jan-12-09 02:50 PM |
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Here you go: 75% of Palestinian respondents deny Israels right to exist. |
ellisonz |
Jan-12-09 06:47 PM |
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Here are a WHOLE BUNCH OF POLLS that give a more nuanced view. |
High Plains |
Jan-13-09 12:16 AM |
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Here's another poll: 55% of Gazans support a two-state solution. |
High Plains |
Jan-13-09 12:28 AM |
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"right to exist" is a meaningless phrase. Depends on how someone reads that. |
ProgressiveMuslim |
Jan-13-09 05:57 AM |
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self-delete |
ProgressiveMuslim |
Jan-13-09 05:59 AM |
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Ah...rhetoric. |
ellisonz |
Jan-13-09 06:02 AM |
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You don't address the point. |
ProgressiveMuslim |
Jan-13-09 06:54 AM |
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Oh, horseshit. We all know what the real obstacle to peace is. |
High Plains |
Jan-13-09 02:01 PM |
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Not at the present moment but some |
azurnoir |
Jan-12-09 06:00 PM |
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Good luck with that |
Vegasaurus |
Jan-12-09 02:45 PM |
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So all the Arabs are insane religious fanatics? Right. |
High Plains |
Jan-12-09 02:48 PM |
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Yes, its well-known that all Muslims stone women on a daily basis |
halo experiment |
Jan-12-09 02:50 PM |
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Who said it was every day? |
Vegasaurus |
Jan-12-09 02:52 PM |
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Do you really think the US government is a 'secular democracy?' |
halo experiment |
Jan-12-09 02:54 PM |
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Are you legitimately (not pulling my leg) |
Vegasaurus |
Jan-12-09 05:21 PM |
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If you are so naive to think that our government is completely secular |
halo experiment |
Jan-12-09 08:06 PM |
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While I've made a similar point about the possibility of such a thing in the present-day Middle East |
LeftishBrit |
Jan-12-09 03:28 PM |
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Kuwait? Bahrain? Morocco? |
dmesg |
Jan-12-09 03:51 PM |
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If a one-state solution were possible, there wouldn't even be this problem at the moment |
LeftishBrit |
Jan-12-09 03:19 PM |
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Using Lebanon as a counterexample isn't exactly fair |
dmesg |
Jan-12-09 03:49 PM |
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Got a better option? |
Chulanowa |
Jan-12-09 04:27 PM |
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'The only thing making a single-state Levant impossible is all the people declaring it impossible' |
LeftishBrit |
Jan-13-09 08:26 AM |
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How's that two-state solution coming? |
High Plains |
Jan-13-09 02:03 PM |
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Jan-12-09 12:39 PM |
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how very democratic of them... |
Javaman |
Jan-12-09 01:52 PM |
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Israel is no longer worth supporting. |
geek tragedy |
Jan-12-09 02:28 PM |
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So the other parties get to decide who their competition is? |
Grimm |
Jan-12-09 03:35 PM |
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I'm certain this will improve things |
Chulanowa |
Jan-12-09 04:20 PM |
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Wow, just WOW! |
Arrowhead2k1 |
Jan-12-09 04:44 PM |
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So much for the "mid-east's only democracy" myth. |
AnOhioan |
Jan-12-09 07:18 PM |
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really . . . how democratic |
methinks2 |
Jan-12-09 07:56 PM |
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That's just wrong |
rockymountaindem |
Jan-12-09 08:45 PM |
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I hope the Supreme Court strikes this down |
LeftishBrit |
Jan-13-09 05:54 AM |
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Reminiscent of Iran? One blogger thinks so! |
ProgressiveMuslim |
Jan-13-09 05:59 AM |
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