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Tue Dec-30-08 04:37 PM
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| 17. "The Zionist wanted to live where they had 2000 years of history" but there is a little problem of |
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fact that they had not been there for centuries and someone else just happened to live there. I suggest it is you who should read history. There was a great deal of discussion at the time about the fact that the Zionists returning to Israel just might cause a few problems down the road. Gee, who could have predicted that throwing people out of their homes and treating them like animals might cause a few hard feelings.
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| -In Gaza Conflict, Context is Key |
sellitman |
Dec-30-08 03:04 PM |
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Bombing away at everything that moves is terrorism, not self defense. |
subsuelo |
Dec-30-08 03:11 PM |
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Link? |
ellisonz |
Dec-30-08 06:21 PM |
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If Israel is providing humanitarian aid, |
ayeshahaqqiqa |
Dec-30-08 03:18 PM |
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It is |
HardcoreProgressive |
Dec-30-08 05:34 PM |
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According to Democracy Now and several articles I read from first-hand accounts |
halo experiment |
Dec-30-08 10:32 PM |
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Between 1.5 to 3 tons are the claims. Seems excessive for a pleasure yacht |
HardcoreProgressive |
Dec-30-08 11:33 PM |
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If aid was really getting through |
halo experiment |
Dec-30-08 11:55 PM |
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It is at this point |
HardcoreProgressive |
Dec-31-08 01:42 AM |
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So just ignore that Israel stole their land and herded them into ghettos and you can |
OregonBlue |
Dec-30-08 03:40 PM |
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It's you who is trying to re-write history. |
aranthus |
Dec-30-08 04:06 PM |
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So the Zionists did not force the Palestinians into Gaza and the West Bank? So they did not try |
OregonBlue |
Dec-30-08 04:24 PM |
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No, they didn't. |
aranthus |
Dec-30-08 05:14 PM |
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This is not rocket science. Why do you try to make this a moral or religious discussion. |
OregonBlue |
Dec-30-08 05:49 PM |
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Maybe you better go look at the 1947 population maps. Jews were concentrated in very small areas. |
OregonBlue |
Dec-30-08 06:04 PM |
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Oh, the "Jews should have been put elsewhere" meme |
Vegasaurus |
Dec-30-08 04:14 PM |
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"The Zionist wanted to live where they had 2000 years of history" but there is a little problem of |
OregonBlue |
Dec-30-08 04:37 PM |
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This Veg, is the underlying belief on the left. |
sellitman |
Dec-30-08 04:41 PM |
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Truth is, the Israel wants the Palestinians to leave and the Palestinians want the Israelis to leave |
OregonBlue |
Dec-30-08 05:15 PM |
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The Israelis were willing to live with the Palestinians, remember? |
Vegasaurus |
Dec-30-08 06:32 PM |
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Accepting the partition then building an Apartheid Wall |
halo experiment |
Dec-30-08 08:28 PM |
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There was no wall until suicide bombers starting killing hundreds of Israelis |
Vegasaurus |
Dec-31-08 07:08 AM |
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Shocking, isn't it? |
Vegasaurus |
Dec-30-08 06:34 PM |
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Why is it shocking? |
dmesg |
Dec-31-08 04:09 AM |
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But I don't suppose you mind the 22 Muslim countries surrounding israel |
Vegasaurus |
Dec-31-08 07:06 AM |
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Ding ding! Strawman award goes to you! |
dmesg |
Dec-31-08 10:04 AM |
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There is a term for this kind of thought process. |
sellitman |
Dec-31-08 03:45 PM |
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Your argument for the dismemberment of Israel is sad. |
sellitman |
Dec-31-08 08:19 AM |
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I love the smell of condescension in the morning |
dmesg |
Dec-31-08 10:09 AM |
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How are pointing out facts strawmen? |
Vegasaurus |
Dec-31-08 10:36 AM |
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I don't think that's true. There are always the few who, because of ignorance |
sfexpat2000 |
Dec-31-08 01:01 AM |
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What land are you talking about? If you're talking about the settlements |
cali |
Dec-30-08 04:20 PM |
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Why, they were living in all of Israel. Why should they settle for a partition? What justification |
OregonBlue |
Dec-30-08 04:30 PM |
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So you're admitting the Arabs/Palestinians started the war in 1947? |
ellisonz |
Dec-30-08 06:36 PM |
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Fucking educate yourself. The Jews took nothing. |
cali |
Dec-30-08 10:05 PM |
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I posted a non-partisan (I hope) action thread in GD: |
sfexpat2000 |
Dec-30-08 03:42 PM |
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Half-truths, distortions, and outright propaganda |
halo experiment |
Dec-30-08 03:44 PM |
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Let's say angry Mexicans in Tijuana... |
spin |
Dec-30-08 03:48 PM |
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Why are the Mexicans shooting rockets at San Diego? |
bemildred |
Dec-30-08 03:59 PM |
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Would you suggest that Isreal... |
spin |
Dec-30-08 10:41 PM |
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The two situation are not the same, although the similarities you refer to are good enough. |
bemildred |
Dec-30-08 11:10 PM |
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The solution may be more difficutlt... |
spin |
Dec-31-08 12:24 AM |
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If we stole Tijuana and walled it in and cut it off from the rest of the world and refused to allow |
OregonBlue |
Dec-30-08 03:59 PM |
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History is complicated.... |
spin |
Dec-31-08 12:14 AM |
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Yes, indeed, control the context and you control the message. nt |
bemildred |
Dec-30-08 03:48 PM |
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Trying to control contex but |
azurnoir |
Dec-30-08 04:17 PM |
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Hamas and the Israeli government are twins -- their actions support each other. |
damntexdem |
Dec-30-08 04:19 PM |
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Hamas is worth more to Israeli politicos as bad guys |
sfexpat2000 |
Dec-30-08 04:58 PM |
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Reasonable Palestinians? |
GoesTo11 |
Dec-31-08 02:51 AM |
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Abbas didn't leave Hamas in charge of Gaza |
Vegasaurus |
Dec-31-08 04:03 PM |
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