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shira Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-26-08 06:17 AM
Response to Reply #40
43. so the freedom Palestinians had before Arafat in the early 90's.....
from 1967 to Arafat, BEFORE the Intifadas, Palestinians didn't have more freedom?

Also, had Israel given back the territories right after 1967....let's pretend at Khartoum the 3 no's were actually 3 yes's and Gaza and the W.Bank were given back to Egypt and Jordan, you think Palestinians would have their freedom today under Egypt and Jordan, or a better "half life"?
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  -If Gaza falls... ProgressiveMuslim  Dec-24-08 07:13 AM   #0 
  - I didn't realize that Gaza had a banking system. Who will bail-out their big three rocket companies?  IanDB1   Dec-24-08 07:15 AM   #1 
  - She's being rather economical with the truth  henank   Dec-24-08 08:24 AM   #2 
  - Perhaps the Israeli government  azurnoir   Dec-24-08 09:24 AM   #4 
  - A Dubai on the Mediterranean  bemildred   Dec-24-08 08:31 AM   #3 
  - There will be a huge population who has only ever known life in a ghetto.  ProgressiveMuslim   Dec-24-08 09:32 AM   #5 
     - very bad news....  pelsar   Dec-24-08 10:13 AM   #6 
     - "Improving one's life?" Fuck that. Improving day to day life is not the goal.  ProgressiveMuslim   Dec-24-08 01:42 PM   #9 
        - Israeli non-Jews don't have full participation in the human race?  oberliner   Dec-24-08 02:21 PM   #13 
        - I don't think t here is a single thing Palestinians or their leadership can do that would could  ProgressiveMuslim   Dec-24-08 10:04 PM   #16 
        - Renouncing violence, ending all rocket attacks, recognizing Israel?  oberliner   Dec-24-08 10:25 PM   #24 
           - Been there, done that. The outcome was exponential settlement expansion. nt  ProgressiveMuslim   Dec-26-08 01:08 PM   #53 
        - Don't be coy Oberliner. You know full well that Arab Israelis do not enjoy the full benefits  ProgressiveMuslim   Dec-24-08 10:06 PM   #17 
           - What benefits do Jewish Israelis enjoy that Arab Israelis do not?  Behind the Aegis   Dec-24-08 10:09 PM   #19 
              - Have you ever driven past an Arab town in Israel? Driven past an Arab Israeli school?  ProgressiveMuslim   Dec-24-08 10:12 PM   #20 
                 - Are you not able to answer the question?  Behind the Aegis   Dec-24-08 10:23 PM   #22 
                 - Livni: Arab Israelis' Future Lies 'Elsewhere'  grassfed   Dec-25-08 02:15 PM   #38 
                    - Do you ever tire of *yours*?  Behind the Aegis   Dec-25-08 02:35 PM   #39 
                 - actually its the jews who are the "semi humans"....  pelsar   Dec-24-08 10:53 PM   # 
                    - You're funny Pelsar.  ProgressiveMuslim   Dec-26-08 01:03 PM   #52 
                    - Those were Arab towns,  DiktatrW   Jan-16-09 11:08 PM   #74 
        - so your the "all or nothing"...type of person....  pelsar   Dec-24-08 02:51 PM   #14 
        - Full humanity is non-negotiable. Being able to leave the cage on occasion, on the enslaver's say-so  ProgressiveMuslim   Dec-24-08 10:09 PM   #18 
           - The enslaver?  oberliner   Dec-24-08 10:23 PM   #23 
           - its how one gets to the goal...  pelsar   Dec-24-08 10:58 PM   #28 
           - The definition of insanity  Vegasaurus   Dec-25-08 06:04 AM   #33 
           - Palestinian freedom is not contingent on Palestinian behavior.  ProgressiveMuslim   Dec-25-08 08:03 PM   #40 
              - As long as killing Israelis is more important than their own freedom  Vegasaurus   Dec-26-08 05:01 AM   #41 
              - "Insane people who murder are usually locked up"  High Plains   Jan-16-09 11:48 PM   #75 
              - HEY VEGE, Yeah I Watch Da News... And The News IS SILENT On Gaza/Atrocities!  DaLittle Kitty   Jan-17-09 10:05 PM   #76 
              - Hey V. Please Watch This Youtube Vid and Comment...  DaLittle Kitty   Jan-17-09 10:18 PM   #80 
              - Ahhh, What Freedom? There IS ONLY The freedom to ... Be WHAT The Israelis Want The Palistinians..  DaLittle Kitty   Jan-17-09 10:11 PM   #79 
              - so the freedom Palestinians had before Arafat in the early 90's.....  shira   Dec-26-08 06:17 AM   #43 
              - Do you consider the situation in the 80's "more freedom?"  ProgressiveMuslim   Dec-26-08 08:02 AM   #45 
                 - When did the Palestinians have more freedom?  oberliner   Dec-26-08 08:18 AM   #46 
                    - yes, that's the better question  shira   Dec-26-08 08:30 AM   #47 
                    - Shira, I lived in Gaza Strip in the late 80s. Do you realize there were nightly 8 pm curfews?  ProgressiveMuslim   Dec-26-08 01:02 PM   #51 
                       - late 80s = intifada part I  shira   Dec-26-08 03:36 PM   #56 
                          - I don't think that Egyptians and Jordanians enjoy full political freedom. Not by a long shot.  ProgressiveMuslim   Dec-26-08 03:50 PM   #58 
                             - Does any Arab living anywhere in the Middle East enjoy full political freedom?  oberliner   Dec-26-08 04:13 PM   #61 
                             - The Arab Middle East is surely replete with stooges and kingdoms. Palestinians have it worst of all  ProgressiveMuslim   Dec-26-08 04:29 PM   #64 
                             - My point is that Arabs deserve much more  oberliner   Dec-26-08 04:42 PM   #66 
                                - I think Palestinians under Israeli occupation and siege, by far, live the most  ProgressiveMuslim   Dec-26-08 05:12 PM   #68 
                                - My claim has nothing to do with who has the most difficult lives  oberliner   Dec-26-08 05:24 PM   #69 
                             - What's happening in other Arab countries is off the point.  Ken Burch   Jan-16-09 09:54 PM   #73 
                                - Oberliner, still don't think Palestinians, especially Gazans, have it worse? nt  ProgressiveMuslim   Jan-17-09 10:09 PM   #78 
                             - thanks for the response PM....  shira   Dec-27-08 06:19 AM   #72 
                                - Shira, you just don't get it.  ProgressiveMuslim   Jan-17-09 10:08 PM   #77 
                    - No. I don't see any such period to point to when Palestinians had any real freedom.  ProgressiveMuslim   Dec-26-08 01:01 PM   #50 
                       - so "full humanity" for you means....  shira   Dec-26-08 03:39 PM   #57 
                          - I am speaking about Palestinians having the full range of human freedom.. to move, to educate their  ProgressiveMuslim   Dec-26-08 03:52 PM   #59 
                             - And unlike Arabs in most of the Middle East  oberliner   Dec-26-08 04:08 PM   #60 
                             - Do you posit that because Arab puppet gov'ts deny freedom to their citizens  ProgressiveMuslim   Dec-26-08 04:27 PM   #63 
                                - No, my theory comes from statements made by Hamas leaders and spokespeople  oberliner   Dec-26-08 04:34 PM   #65 
                                   - I realize you're looking for the opening to "stick it to" Hamas, but I was asking about  ProgressiveMuslim   Dec-26-08 05:12 PM   #67 
                                      - Palestinians deserve the same rights as all human beings  oberliner   Dec-26-08 05:29 PM   #70 
                             - And which government of the Palestinians  Vegasaurus   Dec-26-08 04:15 PM   #62 
              - reality begs to differ....  pelsar   Dec-26-08 10:14 AM   #48 
                 - So is occupation punishment for bad behavior?  ProgressiveMuslim   Dec-26-08 03:12 PM   #55 
                    - closed borders....  pelsar   Dec-26-08 06:26 PM   #71 
                       - "shoot kassams/mortars = closed borders, no supplies"  soulcore   Jan-18-09 01:56 AM   #81 
           - full humanity is the goal? who are you kidding?  shira   Dec-26-08 06:10 AM   #42 
              - Full humanity is not a possibility in an Islamic state that still believes in stoning women  Vegasaurus   Dec-26-08 11:25 AM   #49 
        - Israel created these ghettos?  joshcryer   Jan-18-09 02:06 AM   #82 
     - Not going to be pretty, not going to be peaceful.  bemildred   Dec-24-08 10:25 AM   #7 
        - I think in the absence of a realtively quick agreement, we will be looking at a  ProgressiveMuslim   Dec-24-08 01:43 PM   #10 
           - Which will be bloodier and more miserable for the Palestinians  Vegasaurus   Dec-24-08 02:13 PM   #12 
              - Forget the usual Hamas cover?  azurnoir   Dec-24-08 10:46 PM   #25 
  - I love these articles...they drip with hypocrisy.....  pelsar   Dec-24-08 11:00 AM   #8 
     - I thought Israel tolerated the tunnels because they are not totally inhuman bastards.  ProgressiveMuslim   Dec-24-08 01:44 PM   #11 
     - how does israel "tolerate the tunnels?  pelsar   Dec-24-08 02:52 PM   #15 
        - I'm so sure Israel is powerless to destroy tunnels if it so chose...  ProgressiveMuslim   Dec-24-08 10:13 PM   #21 
           - When was the last time the Israeli government or IDF  azurnoir   Dec-24-08 10:53 PM   #27 
           - just an interesting question...  pelsar   Dec-24-08 11:11 PM   #31 
           - facts and history?....  pelsar   Dec-24-08 10:59 PM   #29 
     - The Israeli government "tolerates" the tunnels because  azurnoir   Dec-24-08 10:51 PM   #26 
        - wow...israel, just like other countries  pelsar   Dec-24-08 11:04 PM   #30 
        - Thanks for the laugh  azurnoir   Dec-24-08 11:43 PM   #32 
        - change in story line?  pelsar   Dec-25-08 11:15 AM   #34 
           - Change? Hardly  azurnoir   Dec-25-08 11:30 AM   #35 
              - so you never claimed that israel controlled the  pelsar   Dec-25-08 11:41 AM   #36 
                 - No dear I did not  azurnoir   Dec-25-08 11:51 AM   #37 
                 - rotflol.....amazing isn't it?  shira   Dec-26-08 06:24 AM   #44 
                    - Do you even know what you are talking about?  azurnoir   Dec-26-08 01:18 PM   #54 

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