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Mon Aug-18-08 02:04 PM
Response to Reply #121 |
| 124. And which half are you in? n/t |
| -Palestinians doubt two-state deal |
subsuelo |
Aug-11-08 07:59 AM |
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Two-state is already dead |
subsuelo |
Aug-11-08 08:00 AM |
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Single state |
sabbat hunter |
Aug-11-08 08:45 AM |
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And very likely that many Palestinians are dead, too. |
LeftishBrit |
Aug-11-08 08:50 AM |
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My position is just one step beyond that statement. |
subsuelo |
Aug-11-08 10:05 AM |
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I don't see how they have prevented a two-state solution |
LeftishBrit |
Aug-11-08 10:21 AM |
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Would you not agree then ... |
subsuelo |
Aug-11-08 01:37 PM |
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I think it will become more difficult |
LeftishBrit |
Aug-11-08 01:48 PM |
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Not if the Jews maintain political power. How about this solution? |
wurzel |
Aug-11-08 10:01 AM |
#8 |
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Diaspora or Jim Crow? |
azurnoir |
Aug-11-08 12:14 PM |
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Do you have a better solution? |
wurzel |
Aug-11-08 12:53 PM |
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You think the Palestinians would accept that? |
LeftishBrit |
Aug-11-08 12:34 PM |
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Do they have a choice? |
wurzel |
Aug-11-08 09:33 PM |
#29 |
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Lebanon II? |
pelsar |
Aug-12-08 12:40 PM |
#39 |
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Would that be acceptable for |
ProgressiveMuslim |
Aug-12-08 05:51 AM |
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I don't know what you mean by "latecomers to the land". |
wurzel |
Aug-12-08 02:42 PM |
#40 |
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Exactly. Would shipping them all elsewhere be an option? |
ProgressiveMuslim |
Aug-13-08 09:26 AM |
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You have no argument from me on that. If it was possible. |
wurzel |
Aug-13-08 02:22 PM |
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So you support ethnic cleansing of Jews? |
Behind the Aegis |
Aug-13-08 02:31 PM |
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No. I support giving Palestine back to the Palestinians. |
wurzel |
Aug-14-08 09:10 AM |
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So you support a "limited" ethnic cleansing? |
Behind the Aegis |
Aug-14-08 01:38 PM |
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Deleted message |
Name removed |
Aug-14-08 02:34 PM |
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Wow. |
Vegasaurus |
Aug-13-08 04:42 PM |
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Post 8 *did* suggest (possibly voluntary, but still..) ethnic cleansing of Arabs |
LeftishBrit |
Aug-13-08 05:45 PM |
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The "ethnic cleansing of Arabs" has already occurred. |
wurzel |
Aug-14-08 09:17 AM |
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Israel even dump sewage on them n/t |
subsuelo |
Aug-14-08 10:47 AM |
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Israel dumps sewage on them? |
oberliner |
Aug-14-08 04:42 PM |
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There are over a million Arabs living in Israel nt |
oberliner |
Aug-14-08 04:30 PM |
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Already occurred? Then how come the percentage of Israeli Arabs in the population is INCREASING? |
LeftishBrit |
Aug-14-08 04:51 PM |
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talking,..? Israel has done it. |
number6 |
Aug-13-08 08:35 PM |
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What a load of propaganda BULLSHIT. |
Behind the Aegis |
Aug-13-08 11:58 PM |
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you know its not "propaganda BULLSHIT" |
number6 |
Aug-18-08 05:50 PM |
#126 |
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Oh but it is. |
Behind the Aegis |
Aug-19-08 02:36 PM |
#130 |
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Rules?? Did you actually read your own post? |
wurzel |
Aug-14-08 09:24 AM |
#74 |
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You think that the Jews should be shipped elsewhere? |
oberliner |
Aug-14-08 09:59 AM |
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Shipping the Jews elsewhere? |
oberliner |
Aug-14-08 10:00 AM |
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I find this disturbing on so many levels |
Vegasaurus |
Aug-14-08 02:36 PM |
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Not acceptable for either group, so back to the drawing board, I'd say! |
LeftishBrit |
Aug-13-08 05:48 PM |
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Can you describe what this single state ought to look like in your opinion? |
oberliner |
Aug-11-08 08:59 AM |
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No, I really can't |
subsuelo |
Aug-11-08 10:00 AM |
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Hate to break it to you, Subsuelo |
Vegasaurus |
Aug-11-08 01:16 PM |
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Did you read a single word I wrote? |
subsuelo |
Aug-11-08 01:30 PM |
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Every word |
Vegasaurus |
Aug-11-08 07:46 PM |
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Here is my response as to what we ought to be focused on |
oberliner |
Aug-11-08 05:39 PM |
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Great post! ITA! |
LeftishBrit |
Aug-12-08 02:31 AM |
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oberliner, there was a time I would have agreed wholeheartedly |
subsuelo |
Aug-12-08 11:36 AM |
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I still would like to know what your dream or vision is |
oberliner |
Aug-12-08 03:23 PM |
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Full return to 67 borders and 2 state plan worked out |
subsuelo |
Aug-12-08 08:12 PM |
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What is is about Israeli behavior that gives you such a hope? |
wurzel |
Aug-18-08 11:04 AM |
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How so? |
Dick Dastardly |
Aug-11-08 08:02 PM |
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Israel controls far more than 3% of the West Bank... |
Violet_Crumble |
Aug-12-08 07:50 AM |
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At last a voice of reason. I was beginning to despair. |
wurzel |
Aug-15-08 05:29 PM |
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Oh, so the Palestinians are like Holocaust survivors, is that what you are saying? |
Vegasaurus |
Aug-16-08 06:45 AM |
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It is not "history" to me. |
wurzel |
Aug-16-08 03:25 PM |
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You said "Jews AFTER WW II" |
Vegasaurus |
Aug-16-08 03:51 PM |
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Can you read? Why are you so hysterical? |
wurzel |
Aug-16-08 06:25 PM |
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Ignore all you like |
Vegasaurus |
Aug-18-08 07:12 AM |
#117 |
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I know this is your favorite meme |
Vegasaurus |
Aug-11-08 09:13 AM |
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I'm not "calling for" anything. |
subsuelo |
Aug-11-08 10:06 AM |
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You haven't answered the questions |
Vegasaurus |
Aug-11-08 10:16 AM |
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What you are asking is what we should all be asking |
subsuelo |
Aug-11-08 10:17 AM |
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To half the people that matter, it's a non-question |
Vegasaurus |
Aug-11-08 01:23 PM |
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Then why keep stealing more and more from the Palestinians? |
subsuelo |
Aug-11-08 01:30 PM |
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Wow just wow |
azurnoir |
Aug-16-08 06:16 PM |
#106 |
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Your parsing leaves much to be desired |
eyl |
Aug-17-08 02:17 AM |
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Try not misreading, why don't you |
Vegasaurus |
Aug-18-08 11:28 AM |
#121 |
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And which half are you in? n/t |
azurnoir |
Aug-18-08 02:04 PM |
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I don't think anyone was saying that only 'half of the people matter' |
LeftishBrit |
Aug-18-08 12:06 PM |
#123 |
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your opinion is not reality. Why so many people can't grasp that |
cali |
Aug-11-08 06:28 PM |
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No, I am stating the reality. |
subsuelo |
Aug-12-08 11:29 AM |
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Yes, there is one Jewish state |
Vegasaurus |
Aug-12-08 12:00 PM |
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The destruction of Israel |
azurnoir |
Aug-11-08 12:29 PM |
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It's great fun to try to compare your "apartheids" |
Vegasaurus |
Aug-11-08 01:32 PM |
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LOL I missed this gem |
azurnoir |
Aug-12-08 09:34 PM |
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There are 4.5 million Palestinian refugees |
Vegasaurus |
Aug-13-08 07:53 AM |
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Here is one Palestinian refugee that understands some of the |
Phx_Dem |
Aug-13-08 10:01 AM |
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So now we're back to they're all Arabs so what's the |
azurnoir |
Aug-14-08 10:53 AM |
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No it's not. |
aranthus |
Aug-13-08 12:52 PM |
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Israel destroyed it |
number6 |
Aug-13-08 08:37 PM |
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You ARE aware, are you not |
eyl |
Aug-14-08 01:45 AM |
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yes |
number6 |
Aug-18-08 05:45 PM |
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And you think that the Arabs of that time were rushing to support it? |
LeftishBrit |
Aug-14-08 03:10 AM |
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The truth from Arab lips |
aranthus |
Aug-14-08 05:13 PM |
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I'm guessing this *truth* came from some pro-Israel website? |
Violet_Crumble |
Aug-15-08 07:31 AM |
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Let's cut to the chase. |
aranthus |
Aug-15-08 12:50 PM |
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Myth: Mitchell Bard is a historian.... |
Violet_Crumble |
Aug-16-08 08:19 AM |
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Is this an example of you "shooting the messenger" ? |
oberliner |
Aug-16-08 05:59 PM |
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No I was correcting the claim made by the poster that he's a historian.... |
Violet_Crumble |
Aug-16-08 06:20 PM |
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Eternal friction |
Hyuke4 |
Aug-11-08 08:26 AM |
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It's going to be either two state or no state. There realistically is |
pegleg |
Aug-11-08 10:38 PM |
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Sure seems like the current gov't is intent on no state. nt |
ProgressiveMuslim |
Aug-12-08 05:53 AM |
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I would agree |
sabbat hunter |
Aug-12-08 12:24 PM |
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I was referring to the gov't of Israel, with its insatiable settlement expansion. nt |
ProgressiveMuslim |
Aug-13-08 06:14 AM |
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seems like |
sabbat hunter |
Aug-13-08 06:57 AM |
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The Israeli Right sometimes seems to prefer 'no state' |
LeftishBrit |
Aug-13-08 07:19 AM |
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At the moment, the best we could hope for is three states nt |
Vegasaurus |
Aug-13-08 07:48 AM |
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No, I'd argue that every gov't in power since 1967 has shown its intentions |
ProgressiveMuslim |
Aug-13-08 09:26 AM |
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I said the right, not the extreme right |
LeftishBrit |
Aug-13-08 10:03 AM |
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The best endorsement the "right" or "extreme right" have in Israeli politics |
Vegasaurus |
Aug-13-08 10:58 AM |
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I always say... |
LeftishBrit |
Aug-13-08 11:09 AM |
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And so you agree that settlement expansion has been a feature of every gov't that's had power |
ProgressiveMuslim |
Aug-13-08 01:12 PM |
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It is the Israeli "Palestine Pac-man Policy". No "agreement" will end it. |
wurzel |
Aug-13-08 02:34 PM |
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They could stop their violent resistance and declare themselves a state |
Vegasaurus |
Aug-13-08 04:44 PM |
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I'm curious as to what you're basing these new talking points on? nt |
ProgressiveMuslim |
Aug-13-08 05:21 PM |
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Same talking points I have always had |
Vegasaurus |
Aug-13-08 05:41 PM |
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Their "violent resistance" to what? |
wurzel |
Aug-14-08 09:30 AM |
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To Israel's existence. |
aranthus |
Aug-14-08 05:24 PM |
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I've got no doubt there's 'much more' where that came from. Here's the link... |
Violet_Crumble |
Aug-15-08 07:41 AM |
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No it's not. |
aranthus |
Aug-15-08 01:19 PM |
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No, it's not? Are you saying that it's not a partisan source? |
Violet_Crumble |
Aug-16-08 08:28 AM |
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No, that is not what I meant. |
aranthus |
Aug-16-08 10:12 PM |
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Of course they wanted to destroy the future Israeli state. |
wurzel |
Aug-15-08 12:57 PM |
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arabs supporting Palestinian arabs?..wow thats a new version... |
pelsar |
Aug-15-08 01:07 PM |
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Those occupations didn't matter |
Vegasaurus |
Aug-16-08 06:48 AM |
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What a stupid thing to say... |
Violet_Crumble |
Aug-16-08 08:38 AM |
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They do? Those occupations or worldwide misery or genocides perpetrated by others? |
Vegasaurus |
Aug-16-08 10:18 AM |
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You expect people to 'rail on and on' about occupations long over? |
Violet_Crumble |
Aug-16-08 06:30 PM |
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Hit a nerve, I guess! NT |
Vegasaurus |
Aug-18-08 11:36 AM |
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Yeah, I forgot you automatically *know* everything about other DUers... |
Violet_Crumble |
Aug-20-08 08:41 AM |
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The spoils of war... |
Violet_Crumble |
Aug-16-08 08:33 AM |
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Thank you for admitting all my points. |
aranthus |
Aug-15-08 01:45 PM |
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Violent resistance or nonviolent resistance, accompanied by world-wide sanctions, boycotts and |
ProgressiveMuslim |
Aug-13-08 05:23 PM |
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More "baloney" slicing? |
wurzel |
Aug-17-08 09:15 AM |
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They are groups with different political viewpoints |
LeftishBrit |
Aug-17-08 09:31 AM |
#113 |
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Yes . But one group is always being used to excuse another. |
wurzel |
Aug-17-08 12:44 PM |
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You don't see any distinction being made by Israel between Hamas, Hezbollah, and the Palestinians? |
oberliner |
Aug-17-08 12:57 PM |
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I am talking about this forum. Not the Israelis. |
wurzel |
Aug-18-08 10:43 AM |
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"I see no such distinctions made by Israelis between Hamas, Hezbollah, and the Palestinians" |
oberliner |
Aug-18-08 11:17 AM |
#120 |
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We are combining three different posts. |
wurzel |
Aug-19-08 11:45 AM |
#127 |
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I refuse to accept such a double standard either... |
LeftishBrit |
Aug-19-08 12:06 PM |
#128 |
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Thanks for the clarification |
oberliner |
Aug-19-08 01:35 PM |
#129 |
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I also disagree intensely with those who equate 'Palestinians' with 'Hamas' or 'Hezbollah'! |
LeftishBrit |
Aug-17-08 01:38 PM |
#116 |
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