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LeftishBrit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-14-08 03:10 AM
Response to Reply #68
71. And you think that the Arabs of that time were rushing to support it?
Edited on Thu Aug-14-08 03:12 AM by LeftishBrit
I think that in any case we have to deal with what's possible now; not with what was done 60 years ago. But if we're going to invoke history, let's not totally rewrite it.
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  -Palestinians doubt two-state deal subsuelo  Aug-11-08 07:59 AM   #0 
  - Two-state is already dead  subsuelo   Aug-11-08 08:00 AM   #1 
  - Single state  sabbat hunter   Aug-11-08 08:45 AM   #3 
  - And very likely that many Palestinians are dead, too.  LeftishBrit   Aug-11-08 08:50 AM   #4 
  - My position is just one step beyond that statement.  subsuelo   Aug-11-08 10:05 AM   #9 
     - I don't see how they have prevented a two-state solution  LeftishBrit   Aug-11-08 10:21 AM   #13 
        - Would you not agree then ...  subsuelo   Aug-11-08 01:37 PM   #23 
           - I think it will become more difficult  LeftishBrit   Aug-11-08 01:48 PM   #24 
  - Not if the Jews maintain political power. How about this solution?  wurzel   Aug-11-08 10:01 AM   #8 
     - Diaspora or Jim Crow?  azurnoir   Aug-11-08 12:14 PM   #14 
     - Do you have a better solution?  wurzel   Aug-11-08 12:53 PM   #17 
     - You think the Palestinians would accept that?  LeftishBrit   Aug-11-08 12:34 PM   #16 
     - Do they have a choice?  wurzel   Aug-11-08 09:33 PM   #29 
        - Lebanon II?  pelsar   Aug-12-08 12:40 PM   #39 
     - Would that be acceptable for  ProgressiveMuslim   Aug-12-08 05:51 AM   #32 
        - I don't know what you mean by "latecomers to the land".  wurzel   Aug-12-08 02:42 PM   #40 
        - Exactly. Would shipping them all elsewhere be an option?  ProgressiveMuslim   Aug-13-08 09:26 AM   #50 
           - You have no argument from me on that. If it was possible.  wurzel   Aug-13-08 02:22 PM   #57 
           - So you support ethnic cleansing of Jews?  Behind the Aegis   Aug-13-08 02:31 PM   #58 
           - No. I support giving Palestine back to the Palestinians.  wurzel   Aug-14-08 09:10 AM   #72 
              - So you support a "limited" ethnic cleansing?  Behind the Aegis   Aug-14-08 01:38 PM   #80 
              - Deleted message  Name removed   Aug-14-08 02:34 PM   #81 
           - Wow.  Vegasaurus   Aug-13-08 04:42 PM   #60 
           - Post 8 *did* suggest (possibly voluntary, but still..) ethnic cleansing of Arabs  LeftishBrit   Aug-13-08 05:45 PM   #65 
           - The "ethnic cleansing of Arabs" has already occurred.  wurzel   Aug-14-08 09:17 AM   #73 
              - Israel even dump sewage on them n/t  subsuelo   Aug-14-08 10:47 AM   #78 
              - Israel dumps sewage on them?  oberliner   Aug-14-08 04:42 PM   #84 
              - There are over a million Arabs living in Israel nt  oberliner   Aug-14-08 04:30 PM   #83 
              - Already occurred? Then how come the percentage of Israeli Arabs in the population is INCREASING?  LeftishBrit   Aug-14-08 04:51 PM   #85 
           - talking,..? Israel has done it.  number6   Aug-13-08 08:35 PM   #67 
           - What a load of propaganda BULLSHIT.  Behind the Aegis   Aug-13-08 11:58 PM   #69 
              - you know its not "propaganda BULLSHIT"  number6   Aug-18-08 05:50 PM   #126 
                 - Oh but it is.  Behind the Aegis   Aug-19-08 02:36 PM   #130 
           - Rules?? Did you actually read your own post?  wurzel   Aug-14-08 09:24 AM   #74 
           - You think that the Jews should be shipped elsewhere?  oberliner   Aug-14-08 09:59 AM   #76 
           - Shipping the Jews elsewhere?  oberliner   Aug-14-08 10:00 AM   #77 
              - I find this disturbing on so many levels  Vegasaurus   Aug-14-08 02:36 PM   #82 
        - Not acceptable for either group, so back to the drawing board, I'd say!  LeftishBrit   Aug-13-08 05:48 PM   #66 
  - Can you describe what this single state ought to look like in your opinion?  oberliner   Aug-11-08 08:59 AM   #5 
  - No, I really can't  subsuelo   Aug-11-08 10:00 AM   #7 
     - Hate to break it to you, Subsuelo  Vegasaurus   Aug-11-08 01:16 PM   #18 
     - Did you read a single word I wrote?  subsuelo   Aug-11-08 01:30 PM   #21 
        - Every word  Vegasaurus   Aug-11-08 07:46 PM   #27 
     - Here is my response as to what we ought to be focused on  oberliner   Aug-11-08 05:39 PM   #25 
     - Great post! ITA!  LeftishBrit   Aug-12-08 02:31 AM   #31 
     - oberliner, there was a time I would have agreed wholeheartedly  subsuelo   Aug-12-08 11:36 AM   #36 
     - I still would like to know what your dream or vision is  oberliner   Aug-12-08 03:23 PM   #41 
        - Full return to 67 borders and 2 state plan worked out  subsuelo   Aug-12-08 08:12 PM   #42 
     - What is is about Israeli behavior that gives you such a hope?  wurzel   Aug-18-08 11:04 AM   #119 
     - How so?  Dick Dastardly   Aug-11-08 08:02 PM   #28 
     - Israel controls far more than 3% of the West Bank...  Violet_Crumble   Aug-12-08 07:50 AM   #34 
     - At last a voice of reason. I was beginning to despair.  wurzel   Aug-15-08 05:29 PM   #95 
        - Oh, so the Palestinians are like Holocaust survivors, is that what you are saying?  Vegasaurus   Aug-16-08 06:45 AM   #96 
           - It is not "history" to me.  wurzel   Aug-16-08 03:25 PM   #103 
              - You said "Jews AFTER WW II"  Vegasaurus   Aug-16-08 03:51 PM   #104 
                 - Can you read? Why are you so hysterical?  wurzel   Aug-16-08 06:25 PM   #108 
                    - Ignore all you like  Vegasaurus   Aug-18-08 07:12 AM   #117 
  - I know this is your favorite meme  Vegasaurus   Aug-11-08 09:13 AM   #6 
  - I'm not "calling for" anything.  subsuelo   Aug-11-08 10:06 AM   #10 
  - You haven't answered the questions  Vegasaurus   Aug-11-08 10:16 AM   #11 
  - What you are asking is what we should all be asking  subsuelo   Aug-11-08 10:17 AM   #12 
     - To half the people that matter, it's a non-question  Vegasaurus   Aug-11-08 01:23 PM   #19 
        - Then why keep stealing more and more from the Palestinians?  subsuelo   Aug-11-08 01:30 PM   #20 
        - Wow just wow  azurnoir   Aug-16-08 06:16 PM   #106 
           - Your parsing leaves much to be desired  eyl   Aug-17-08 02:17 AM   #111 
           - Try not misreading, why don't you  Vegasaurus   Aug-18-08 11:28 AM   #121 
           - And which half are you in? n/t  azurnoir   Aug-18-08 02:04 PM   #124 
           - I don't think anyone was saying that only 'half of the people matter'  LeftishBrit   Aug-18-08 12:06 PM   #123 
  - your opinion is not reality. Why so many people can't grasp that  cali   Aug-11-08 06:28 PM   #26 
     - No, I am stating the reality.  subsuelo   Aug-12-08 11:29 AM   #35 
        - Yes, there is one Jewish state  Vegasaurus   Aug-12-08 12:00 PM   #37 
  - The destruction of Israel  azurnoir   Aug-11-08 12:29 PM   #15 
     - It's great fun to try to compare your "apartheids"  Vegasaurus   Aug-11-08 01:32 PM   #22 
        - LOL I missed this gem  azurnoir   Aug-12-08 09:34 PM   #43 
           - There are 4.5 million Palestinian refugees  Vegasaurus   Aug-13-08 07:53 AM   #48 
              - Here is one Palestinian refugee that understands some of the  Phx_Dem   Aug-13-08 10:01 AM   #51 
              - So now we're back to they're all Arabs so what's the  azurnoir   Aug-14-08 10:53 AM   #79 
  - No it's not.  aranthus   Aug-13-08 12:52 PM   #55 
  - Israel destroyed it  number6   Aug-13-08 08:37 PM   #68 
     - You ARE aware, are you not  eyl   Aug-14-08 01:45 AM   #70 
     - yes  number6   Aug-18-08 05:45 PM   #125 
     - And you think that the Arabs of that time were rushing to support it?  LeftishBrit   Aug-14-08 03:10 AM   #71 
     - The truth from Arab lips  aranthus   Aug-14-08 05:13 PM   #86 
        - I'm guessing this *truth* came from some pro-Israel website?  Violet_Crumble   Aug-15-08 07:31 AM   #88 
           - Let's cut to the chase.  aranthus   Aug-15-08 12:50 PM   #90 
              - Myth: Mitchell Bard is a historian....  Violet_Crumble   Aug-16-08 08:19 AM   #98 
                 - Is this an example of you "shooting the messenger" ?  oberliner   Aug-16-08 05:59 PM   #105 
                    - No I was correcting the claim made by the poster that he's a historian....  Violet_Crumble   Aug-16-08 06:20 PM   #107 
  - Eternal friction  Hyuke4   Aug-11-08 08:26 AM   #2 
  - It's going to be either two state or no state. There realistically is  pegleg   Aug-11-08 10:38 PM   #30 
     - Sure seems like the current gov't is intent on no state. nt  ProgressiveMuslim   Aug-12-08 05:53 AM   #33 
        - I would agree  sabbat hunter   Aug-12-08 12:24 PM   #38 
           - I was referring to the gov't of Israel, with its insatiable settlement expansion. nt  ProgressiveMuslim   Aug-13-08 06:14 AM   #44 
              - seems like  sabbat hunter   Aug-13-08 06:57 AM   #45 
              - The Israeli Right sometimes seems to prefer 'no state'  LeftishBrit   Aug-13-08 07:19 AM   #46 
                 - At the moment, the best we could hope for is three states nt  Vegasaurus   Aug-13-08 07:48 AM   #47 
                 - No, I'd argue that every gov't in power since 1967 has shown its intentions  ProgressiveMuslim   Aug-13-08 09:26 AM   #49 
                    - I said the right, not the extreme right  LeftishBrit   Aug-13-08 10:03 AM   #52 
                       - The best endorsement the "right" or "extreme right" have in Israeli politics  Vegasaurus   Aug-13-08 10:58 AM   #53 
                       - I always say...  LeftishBrit   Aug-13-08 11:09 AM   #54 
                       - And so you agree that settlement expansion has been a feature of every gov't that's had power  ProgressiveMuslim   Aug-13-08 01:12 PM   #56 
                       - It is the Israeli "Palestine Pac-man Policy". No "agreement" will end it.  wurzel   Aug-13-08 02:34 PM   #59 
                          - They could stop their violent resistance and declare themselves a state  Vegasaurus   Aug-13-08 04:44 PM   #61 
                          - I'm curious as to what you're basing these new talking points on? nt  ProgressiveMuslim   Aug-13-08 05:21 PM   #62 
                          - Same talking points I have always had  Vegasaurus   Aug-13-08 05:41 PM   #64 
                          - Their "violent resistance" to what?  wurzel   Aug-14-08 09:30 AM   #75 
                             - To Israel's existence.  aranthus   Aug-14-08 05:24 PM   #87 
                                - I've got no doubt there's 'much more' where that came from. Here's the link...  Violet_Crumble   Aug-15-08 07:41 AM   #89 
                                - No it's not.  aranthus   Aug-15-08 01:19 PM   #93 
                                   - No, it's not? Are you saying that it's not a partisan source?  Violet_Crumble   Aug-16-08 08:28 AM   #99 
                                      - No, that is not what I meant.  aranthus   Aug-16-08 10:12 PM   #110 
                                - Of course they wanted to destroy the future Israeli state.  wurzel   Aug-15-08 12:57 PM   #91 
                                   - arabs supporting Palestinian arabs?..wow thats a new version...  pelsar   Aug-15-08 01:07 PM   #92 
                                   - Those occupations didn't matter  Vegasaurus   Aug-16-08 06:48 AM   #97 
                                   - What a stupid thing to say...  Violet_Crumble   Aug-16-08 08:38 AM   #101 
                                      - They do? Those occupations or worldwide misery or genocides perpetrated by others?  Vegasaurus   Aug-16-08 10:18 AM   #102 
                                         - You expect people to 'rail on and on' about occupations long over?  Violet_Crumble   Aug-16-08 06:30 PM   #109 
                                            - Hit a nerve, I guess! NT  Vegasaurus   Aug-18-08 11:36 AM   #122 
                                            - Yeah, I forgot you automatically *know* everything about other DUers...  Violet_Crumble   Aug-20-08 08:41 AM   #131 
                                   - The spoils of war...  Violet_Crumble   Aug-16-08 08:33 AM   #100 
                                   - Thank you for admitting all my points.  aranthus   Aug-15-08 01:45 PM   #94 
                          - Violent resistance or nonviolent resistance, accompanied by world-wide sanctions, boycotts and  ProgressiveMuslim   Aug-13-08 05:23 PM   #63 
                       - More "baloney" slicing?  wurzel   Aug-17-08 09:15 AM   #112 
                          - They are groups with different political viewpoints  LeftishBrit   Aug-17-08 09:31 AM   #113 
                             - Yes . But one group is always being used to excuse another.  wurzel   Aug-17-08 12:44 PM   #114 
                                - You don't see any distinction being made by Israel between Hamas, Hezbollah, and the Palestinians?  oberliner   Aug-17-08 12:57 PM   #115 
                                - I am talking about this forum. Not the Israelis.  wurzel   Aug-18-08 10:43 AM   #118 
                                   - "I see no such distinctions made by Israelis between Hamas, Hezbollah, and the Palestinians"  oberliner   Aug-18-08 11:17 AM   #120 
                                      - We are combining three different posts.  wurzel   Aug-19-08 11:45 AM   #127 
                                         - I refuse to accept such a double standard either...  LeftishBrit   Aug-19-08 12:06 PM   #128 
                                         - Thanks for the clarification  oberliner   Aug-19-08 01:35 PM   #129 
                                - I also disagree intensely with those who equate 'Palestinians' with 'Hamas' or 'Hezbollah'!  LeftishBrit   Aug-17-08 01:38 PM   #116 
 

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