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23. Were we talking about Britian or the West?
Edited on Sat Aug-02-08 02:47 PM by azurnoir
We were talking about a convert from the West Bank.

If before you so sterotype Islam and Sharia law perhaps it would help to know what you are talking about, besides the stuff on RW blogs and Fox news

This is a "small" excerpt from the article which covers Sharia's influence on British, US and International law as well yes Dhimmi read it or not as you please

Sharia (Arabic: شريعة transliteration: arīʿah) is the body of Islamic religious law. The term means "way" or "path to the water source"; it is the legal framework within which the public and private aspects of life are regulated for those living in a legal system based on Islamic principles of jurisprudence and for Muslims living outside the domain. Sharia deals with many aspects of day-to-day life, including politics, economics, banking, business, contracts, family, sexuality, hygiene, and social issues.


One of the institutions developed by classical Islamic jurists which influenced civil law was the Hawala, an early informal value transfer system, which is mentioned in texts of Islamic jurisprudence as early as the 8th century. Hawala itself later influenced the development of the Aval in French civil law and the Avallo in Italian law.<4> The "European commenda" limited partnerships (Islamic Qirad) used in civil law as well as the civil law conception of res judicata may also have origins in Islamic law.<3>
The transfer of debt, which was not permissible under Roman law but is practiced in modern civil law, may also have origins in Islamic law.<40> The concept of an agency was also an "institution unknown to Roman law", where it was not possible for an individual to "conclude a binding contract on behalf of another as his agent." The concept of an agency was introduced by Islamic jurists, and thus the civil law conception of agency may also have origins in Islamic law.<41> The Siete Partidas of Alfonso X, which was regarded as a "monument of legal science" in the civil law tradition, was also influenced by the Islamic legal treatise Villiyet written in Islamic Spain.<42><43>
Islamic law also introduced "two fundamental principles to the West, on which were to later stand the future structure of law: equity and good faith", which was a precursor to the concept of pacta sunt servanda in civil law and international law. Another influence of Islamic law on the civil law tradition was the presumption of innocence, which was introduced to Europe by Louis IX of France soon after he returned from Palestine during the Crusades. Prior to this, European legal procedure consisted of either trial by combat or trial by ordeal. In contrast, Islamic law was based on the presumption of innocence from its beginning, as declared by the Caliph Umar in the 7th century:<42>
"Only decide on the basis of proof, be kind to the weak so that they can express themselves freely and without fear, deal on an equal footing with litigants by trying to reconcile them."
The concept of Ombudsmen was derived from the example of the second Muslim Caliph, Umar (634-644) and the concept of Qadi al-Qadat (developed in the Muslim world), which influenced the Swedish King, Charles XII. In 1713, fresh from self-exile in Turkey, Charles XII created the Office of Supreme Ombudsman, which soon became the Chancellor of Justice.<44>
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  -Hamas' Christian convert: I've left a society that sanctifies terror Behind the Aegis  Jul-31-08 02:04 AM   #0 
  - from someone who knows.....  pelsar   Jul-31-08 02:44 AM   #1 
  - Psst.. newsflash: he's from the WB.  ProgressiveMuslim   Aug-01-08 08:27 PM   #3 
     - Mental issue because he was once Muslim and now Christian?  Sezu   Aug-01-08 08:30 PM   #4 
     - Would you say the same if was the reverse? n/t  azurnoir   Aug-01-08 09:59 PM   #7 
        - Of course. Conversions happen all the time. No biggie.  Sezu   Aug-02-08 12:55 AM   #11 
           - You're right.  ProgressiveMuslim   Aug-02-08 06:56 AM   #15 
           - So having praise for Israel is a mental impairment?  Dick Dastardly   Aug-03-08 12:22 AM   #34 
              - Can you imagine a black South African celebrating the Apartheid Gov't?  ProgressiveMuslim   Aug-03-08 03:38 PM   #44 
                 - Perhaps, then, those analogies are not accurate?  oberliner   Aug-03-08 05:48 PM   #45 
                    - I guess I missed all those 60th anniversary celebrations in the WB & Gaza.  ProgressiveMuslim   Aug-04-08 08:27 AM   #48 
                       - Do you consider Israeli Arabs to be Palestinians?  oberliner   Aug-04-08 08:36 AM   #50 
                          - I generally say Israeli Arab. And my comments were specifically related to people living under  ProgressiveMuslim   Aug-04-08 12:14 PM   #53 
                             - I think there are some who speak well of Israel  oberliner   Aug-04-08 04:31 PM   #54 
                                - Yes, the good old days, when Gazan workers were locked in their workplaces at night...  ProgressiveMuslim   Aug-04-08 04:55 PM   #55 
                                   - I'm not suggesting anything and do not pretend to speak for any Palestinians  oberliner   Aug-04-08 05:43 PM   #58 
                                   - Do you take those statements, made in the heat of civil war, to be an endorsement for perpetual life  ProgressiveMuslim   Aug-04-08 05:49 PM   #59 
                                      - I never claimed that anyone endorsed perpetual life under Israeli occupation  oberliner   Aug-04-08 06:14 PM   #62 
                                         - I would dispute with you that saying, "Geez... life was easier before the IDF left" is not  ProgressiveMuslim   Aug-04-08 06:17 PM   #63 
                                            - "I respect Israel and admire it as a country"  oberliner   Aug-04-08 06:22 PM   #64 
                                            - I can imagine  Vegasaurus   Aug-04-08 06:55 PM   #65 
                                            - I doubt the sentiment is widespread.  ProgressiveMuslim   Aug-05-08 04:35 PM   #70 
                                   - Do Gazans prefer the iron fist of Hamas  Vegasaurus   Aug-04-08 07:25 PM   #66 
           - She didn't say any conversion is some kind of mental impairment...  Violet_Crumble   Aug-02-08 08:32 AM   #16 
              - I think its bigoted to generalize all born agains are nut cases  Dick Dastardly   Aug-03-08 12:10 AM   #33 
                 - Yeah, but you also think any reference to *white people* is bigoted...  Violet_Crumble   Aug-03-08 06:22 AM   #37 
                    - Deleted message  Name removed   Aug-03-08 09:47 PM   #46 
     - Apostates are given a death sentence,that's why it's unusual.  Swede   Aug-01-08 08:42 PM   #6 
        - As the poster said  azurnoir   Aug-01-08 10:06 PM   #8 
        - So all these "honor" killings in Britain and the Westare not such thing,  Swede   Aug-02-08 02:13 PM   #22 
           - Were we talking about Britian or the West?  azurnoir   Aug-02-08 02:46 PM   #23 
              - One of the major concerns of people critical of Shariah law is that it is subject to interpretation  Swede   Aug-02-08 03:59 PM   #26 
              - We see how Sharia law is being played out throughout the ME  Vegasaurus   Aug-03-08 06:49 AM   #39 
        - I can't recall such a thing being carried out in Palestine, can you?  ProgressiveMuslim   Aug-01-08 10:12 PM   #9 
           - I wondered if the rarity of conversion  azurnoir   Aug-01-08 10:20 PM   #10 
           - The thing is...  ProgressiveMuslim   Aug-02-08 06:54 AM   #14 
           - so....its encompassing ...just like Judaism....  pelsar   Aug-02-08 01:31 AM   #12 
           - Yes, "Jews for Jesus" are so beloved in Israel, aren't they?  ProgressiveMuslim   Aug-02-08 06:52 AM   #13 
              - jews for jesus are not persecuted in israel...try again.  pelsar   Aug-02-08 09:07 AM   #18 
                 - Remember this thread?  azurnoir   Aug-02-08 03:03 PM   #24 
                    - That's one incident  Phx_Dem   Aug-02-08 03:40 PM   #25 
                       - One incident were there was a serious injury  azurnoir   Aug-02-08 06:18 PM   #27 
                          - trying again?....israel the racist society  pelsar   Aug-02-08 10:49 PM   #29 
                             - For the luv...........  azurnoir   Aug-02-08 11:07 PM   #30 
                                - if your really curious...  pelsar   Aug-03-08 12:57 AM   #35 
                                   - Not so much Messianic Jews  azurnoir   Aug-03-08 02:32 AM   #36 
                                      - way out of my league there....  pelsar   Aug-03-08 07:21 AM   #40 
           - More like 6 mil a year convert to xtianity from Islam  Phx_Dem   Aug-02-08 11:06 AM   #21 
              - WOW.....that's a long way from 4 isn't it? n/t  Sezu   Aug-02-08 07:02 PM   #28 
              - I have my doubts  Lithos   Aug-03-08 10:33 PM   #47 
                 - My "4" reference isn't number of converts, but converted mouthpieces who are trotted out  ProgressiveMuslim   Aug-04-08 08:31 AM   #49 
                 - I think the number is exaggerated  Phx_Dem   Aug-04-08 09:20 AM   #51 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Jul-31-08 08:24 AM   #2 
  - One fundamentalism replaced by another. nt  bemildred   Aug-01-08 08:37 PM   #5 
  - For some people there's no middle ground...just swap one extreme for the other n/t  Violet_Crumble   Aug-02-08 08:33 AM   #17 
  - The commies and the fascists used to trade followers all the time.  bemildred   Aug-02-08 09:39 AM   #19 
  - Do you have proof he is an extremist or  Dick Dastardly   Aug-03-08 12:04 AM   #32 
     - No more than you'd have proof that he was an extremist type before...  Violet_Crumble   Aug-03-08 06:43 AM   #38 
  - So do you have evidence that he is a fundy or  Dick Dastardly   Aug-03-08 12:00 AM   #31 
     - He says and does certain things that are indicative to me.  bemildred   Aug-03-08 08:03 AM   #41 
        - i dont know about christians...  pelsar   Aug-03-08 09:31 AM   #42 
        - Yah, that sounds about right.  bemildred   Aug-03-08 09:43 AM   #43 
        - Palestinian Lutherans are liberation theology followers!!  ProgressiveMuslim   Aug-04-08 04:58 PM   #56 
           - I apologize, I had no intention to smear Lutherans.  bemildred   Aug-04-08 05:06 PM   #57 
              - Yo, Bemildred, I know you're not really smearing Lutherans...  ProgressiveMuslim   Aug-04-08 05:51 PM   #60 
                 - Yeah that happens to me all the time.  bemildred   Aug-04-08 06:07 PM   #61 
  - Lebanese Christians mull conversion  bemildred   Aug-02-08 10:08 AM   #20 
  - He is no doubt right about the nastiness of Hamas, and I am glad he's moved away from that  LeftishBrit   Aug-04-08 11:05 AM   #52 
  - Here is the expanded interview  Dick Dastardly   Aug-05-08 12:19 AM   #67 
  - thanks for this.  shira   Aug-05-08 08:52 AM   #69 
  - society sanctifies terror? BZZZZZT !!!! PC alert!  shira   Aug-05-08 08:47 AM   #68 

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