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Sat Jun-14-08 08:02 AM
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| 3. Why just South Africa? |
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I'm sure the same type of argument against boycotts was used back during the days of Apartheid...
I've seen some very cohesive arguments as to why there should be a boycott of Israel, though to have a chance of being effective I think it needs to be done at the international level in the form of sanctions and has to be specific in its goals...
I'm not knowledgable enough about those who are promoting the idea of boycotts to know whether or not they do give attention to promoting Palestinian culture. If they don't, they should, but I don't think the promotion of those two things must be mutually exclusive...
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| -Why a Cultural Boycott of Israel Is Necessary |
madeline_con |
Jun-13-08 11:58 PM |
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Why just Israel? |
LeftishBrit |
Jun-14-08 05:55 AM |
#1 |
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Why just South Africa? |
Violet_Crumble |
Jun-14-08 08:02 AM |
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One difference... |
LeftishBrit |
Jun-14-08 08:19 AM |
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There's no difference... |
Violet_Crumble |
Jun-14-08 09:04 AM |
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OK -let's leave out China for the moment (unless it actually joins the boycott).... |
LeftishBrit |
Jun-14-08 11:13 AM |
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We boycotted South Africa... |
Violet_Crumble |
Jun-16-08 06:29 AM |
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Israel is not South Africa |
oberliner |
Jun-14-08 08:32 AM |
#7 |
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So a country has to be unique in order to have sanctions imposed? |
Violet_Crumble |
Jun-14-08 09:13 AM |
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Cultural boycotts |
oberliner |
Jun-14-08 09:46 AM |
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It has to be unique in that it |
Shaktimaan |
Jun-14-08 09:51 AM |
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The rationale and terms are made clear by PACBI: |
ProgressiveMuslim |
Jun-14-08 12:14 PM |
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Let's be honest about what this means. |
aranthus |
Jun-14-08 07:40 PM |
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Genocidal war is right |
Vegasaurus |
Jun-15-08 07:40 PM |
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Try learning what genocide is before abusing the term... |
Violet_Crumble |
Jun-16-08 06:59 AM |
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This is a call to genocide |
aranthus |
Jun-16-08 11:19 AM |
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No, it's not...you really need to study up on what genocide is... |
Violet_Crumble |
Jun-22-08 04:27 AM |
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Nonsense. |
aranthus |
Jun-22-08 02:34 PM |
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Jun-22-08 02:59 PM |
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Does anyone else think those comments are bigoted negative generalisations? |
Violet_Crumble |
Jun-24-08 06:50 AM |
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That's one way of self-describing yr post :) |
Violet_Crumble |
Jun-23-08 06:30 AM |
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Jun-23-08 12:23 PM |
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No I wasn't. I didn't realise recommending books was an offensive thing... |
Violet_Crumble |
Jun-24-08 04:49 AM |
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This means Israel's ongoing perpetration of evil against the people of Palestine must CEASE. |
ProgressiveMuslim |
Jun-16-08 05:11 AM |
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You are denying the import of the very goals you support. |
aranthus |
Jun-16-08 11:23 AM |
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Well, they are certainly clear about their terms. |
Shaktimaan |
Jun-15-08 01:15 AM |
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So which refugees do you think Resolution 194 is referring to? |
Violet_Crumble |
Jun-16-08 07:47 AM |
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Oh, it refers to the Palestinians alright. |
Shaktimaan |
Jun-16-08 10:35 PM |
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It definately refers to the Palestinians... |
Violet_Crumble |
Jun-22-08 04:30 AM |
#134 |
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If this Resolution does give the Palestinian refugees the right of return... |
Shaktimaan |
Jun-27-08 04:14 AM |
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So why is it acceptable to single out Gaza for boycotting and sanctions? |
Violet_Crumble |
Jun-16-08 06:49 AM |
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IIMO, that isn't acceptable and isn't working. |
LeftishBrit |
Jun-16-08 07:12 AM |
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I'm pretty sure Shakti isn't opposed to the sanctions imposed on Gaza... |
Violet_Crumble |
Jun-16-08 07:28 AM |
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'The attitude seems to be mainly confined to the Middle East...' |
LeftishBrit |
Jun-16-08 10:22 AM |
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Israel has not made annihilation of another country its national goal |
Vegasaurus |
Jun-16-08 07:45 AM |
#54 |
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Neither have the Palestinians... |
Violet_Crumble |
Jun-16-08 07:56 AM |
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The government of the Palestinians, in Gaza, absolutely has |
Vegasaurus |
Jun-16-08 08:19 AM |
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So when will you be demanding sanctions against the US? |
Violet_Crumble |
Jun-16-08 08:27 AM |
#58 |
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You have a reading comprehension problem |
Vegasaurus |
Jun-16-08 10:28 AM |
#60 |
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And you have a lack of intelligence problem... |
Violet_Crumble |
Jun-22-08 04:34 AM |
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Not true, there is nothing that says a country must accept an election |
Dick Dastardly |
Jun-22-08 05:30 AM |
#140 |
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So you support the US govt and its regular attempts at regime change round the world? |
Violet_Crumble |
Jun-22-08 05:36 AM |
#141 |
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So do you just make things up and put words in peoples mouths |
Dick Dastardly |
Jun-22-08 05:42 AM |
#142 |
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No, the US has stated that it wants regime change... |
Violet_Crumble |
Jun-22-08 05:45 AM |
#143 |
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No stating a want and actually invading for regime change are 2 different things |
Dick Dastardly |
Jun-22-08 06:30 AM |
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You think it's not regime change if there's no invasion involved? |
Violet_Crumble |
Jun-22-08 06:53 AM |
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Using your right to not deal with someone you dont like and or dont approve of |
Dick Dastardly |
Jun-22-08 06:39 PM |
#154 |
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No, it's not merely a matter of not wanting to deal with a govt... |
Violet_Crumble |
Jun-23-08 06:43 AM |
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Again you move the goal posts and ignore what is said. |
Dick Dastardly |
Jun-23-08 10:41 PM |
#168 |
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Maybe you should quit it with the ad-homs and try and stay on-topic? |
Violet_Crumble |
Jun-24-08 04:56 AM |
#172 |
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More of the same I have come to expect. |
Dick Dastardly |
Jun-24-08 10:13 PM |
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Let me get this straight., You accusing me of not wanting honest debate is yr idea of honest debate? |
Violet_Crumble |
Jun-25-08 02:29 AM |
#183 |
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Back in 2000 |
eyl |
Jun-23-08 04:26 AM |
#157 |
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Cease with the ad hominems |
Vegasaurus |
Jun-22-08 02:56 PM |
#149 |
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So you are claiming that from at least 2004 to today |
azurnoir |
Jun-22-08 04:10 PM |
#151 |
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Are you seriously equating |
Vegasaurus |
Jun-22-08 04:15 PM |
#152 |
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Different circumstances create |
azurnoir |
Jun-22-08 05:06 PM |
#153 |
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Strictly speaking the US isn't a democracy... |
Violet_Crumble |
Jun-23-08 07:18 AM |
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That's rich coming from someone who told me to get a life... |
Violet_Crumble |
Jun-23-08 07:11 AM |
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Jun-23-08 09:00 AM |
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Why NOT Israel? |
ProgressiveMuslim |
Jun-14-08 08:32 AM |
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Well, considering that Hamas is at least as intransigent |
Shaktimaan |
Jun-14-08 10:15 AM |
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Hamas is as intransigent? RU kidding? nt |
ProgressiveMuslim |
Jun-14-08 10:30 AM |
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No. Not kidding. |
Shaktimaan |
Jun-14-08 10:45 AM |
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Let's turn the tables...can you point to an example when an Israeli has done something besides TALK |
ProgressiveMuslim |
Jun-14-08 12:10 PM |
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They have withdrawn from gaza, dismantled settlements, |
Sezu |
Jun-14-08 12:29 PM |
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Palestinian officials: Israel offers new West Bank proposal |
oberliner |
Jun-14-08 12:34 PM |
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I'd love to see the map! |
ProgressiveMuslim |
Jun-16-08 05:14 AM |
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So would I... |
Violet_Crumble |
Jun-16-08 07:37 AM |
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I believe that it can happen |
oberliner |
Jun-16-08 11:26 AM |
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thats just talk.... |
pelsar |
Jun-16-08 11:15 PM |
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you really have to ignore history for that post ..... |
pelsar |
Jun-14-08 11:13 PM |
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Slaves in Alabama were intransigent too. |
grassfed |
Jun-14-08 02:39 PM |
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Slaves in Alabama |
Vegasaurus |
Jun-14-08 05:19 PM |
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What the hell is 'global dole'?? |
Violet_Crumble |
Jun-22-08 04:39 AM |
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Wait... what? |
Shaktimaan |
Jun-15-08 11:40 PM |
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Occupation is an a priori evil instituion, as was slavery. |
ProgressiveMuslim |
Jun-16-08 05:08 AM |
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I 'd support a boycott of Hamas |
number6 |
Jun-15-08 07:19 PM |
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Well for starters |
aranthus |
Jun-14-08 07:44 PM |
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defend the indefensible if you like. |
grassfed |
Jun-14-08 02:37 PM |
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Just for the record... |
LeftishBrit |
Jun-14-08 03:50 PM |
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It won't happen |
Vegasaurus |
Jun-14-08 07:22 AM |
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Nokia's an Israeli company? |
Violet_Crumble |
Jun-14-08 09:34 AM |
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Interesting list of settlement-made products that Gush Shalom suggests boycotting: |
ProgressiveMuslim |
Jun-14-08 10:39 AM |
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Guess you don't knowingly use your cell phone or computer, with its Pentium processor |
Vegasaurus |
Jun-14-08 11:09 AM |
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google .... |
pelsar |
Jun-14-08 11:23 PM |
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So what you are saying is that |
azurnoir |
Jun-16-08 04:54 AM |
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You can use them or not |
Vegasaurus |
Jun-16-08 07:40 AM |
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Hey, I've got a question! |
Violet_Crumble |
Jun-22-08 05:09 AM |
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You're an amateur... |
shaayecanaan |
Jun-22-08 06:16 AM |
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Does this mean I can start using my computer and eating hummus and pomegranites again? |
Violet_Crumble |
Jun-23-08 07:01 AM |
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Correction |
shaayecanaan |
Jun-23-08 10:44 PM |
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I'd refuse to buy anything from companies based in the West Bank... |
Violet_Crumble |
Jun-16-08 07:41 AM |
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Cell phone technology |
Vegasaurus |
Jun-14-08 11:15 AM |
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Mobile phone networks and technology were developed in Europe... |
Violet_Crumble |
Jun-16-08 06:45 AM |
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Goulash? OK, you're not understanding this. |
Shaktimaan |
Jun-16-08 12:45 PM |
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Thank you, Shatki |
Vegasaurus |
Jun-16-08 01:33 PM |
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Too true. |
Shaktimaan |
Jun-16-08 01:48 PM |
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You and Vegas are the ones who don't understand... |
Violet_Crumble |
Jun-22-08 04:56 AM |
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I could care less what you do, Violet |
Vegasaurus |
Jun-22-08 11:25 AM |
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Then why are you so fascinated by me and pomegranites? |
Violet_Crumble |
Jun-23-08 06:48 AM |
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And thank you for making my point again |
azurnoir |
Jun-17-08 05:05 AM |
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What is your point? |
Vegasaurus |
Jun-17-08 06:47 AM |
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Actually you can ignore them |
azurnoir |
Jun-17-08 11:06 AM |
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Incorrect |
Vegasaurus |
Jun-17-08 11:49 AM |
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Spouting nonsense? |
azurnoir |
Jun-17-08 12:32 PM |
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Israeli firms developed a lot of the technology we're discussing. |
Shaktimaan |
Jun-17-08 02:18 PM |
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If those companies don't matter, |
Shaktimaan |
Jun-17-08 11:52 AM |
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So it would seem that your point here is |
azurnoir |
Jun-17-08 12:44 PM |
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No, you are missing the point again |
Vegasaurus |
Jun-17-08 12:53 PM |
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So we are back to |
azurnoir |
Jun-17-08 04:04 PM |
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I am not BACK to that point |
Vegasaurus |
Jun-17-08 04:30 PM |
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No but whether you realize it or not |
azurnoir |
Jun-22-08 07:10 PM |
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What the hell are you talking about? |
Vegasaurus |
Jun-22-08 07:46 PM |
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so one of those questions again...based on ignorance or spite? |
pelsar |
Jun-17-08 02:31 PM |
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Hey pelsar, |
Shaktimaan |
Jun-17-08 03:33 PM |
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very common... |
pelsar |
Jun-17-08 03:56 PM |
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Pretty much the same as the US for managment |
azurnoir |
Jun-17-08 04:19 PM |
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technically i'm right...that means... |
pelsar |
Jun-17-08 06:00 PM |
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Israel does not have socialized or state paid health care? |
azurnoir |
Jun-17-08 04:02 PM |
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I think he meant that |
Shaktimaan |
Jun-17-08 04:47 PM |
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The health insurance point was my original post Ma'm |
azurnoir |
Jun-17-08 05:05 PM |
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the state health service comes out of the paycheck... |
pelsar |
Jun-17-08 06:04 PM |
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Comes out of paycheck? |
azurnoir |
Jun-17-08 06:26 PM |
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its their "tax" that i pay... |
pelsar |
Jun-17-08 11:15 PM |
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Gee so that is the standard method |
azurnoir |
Jun-18-08 05:34 AM |
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your right it is standard... |
pelsar |
Jun-18-08 11:46 AM |
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See #85 |
azurnoir |
Jun-18-08 12:30 PM |
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It is cheaper in israel.. |
pelsar |
Jun-18-08 10:14 PM |
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Sir I corrected it yesterday that would be Tuesday |
azurnoir |
Jun-18-08 10:50 PM |
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Add academic to that... as Palestinian students and scholars are imprisoned |
ProgressiveMuslim |
Jun-14-08 08:31 AM |
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and at least support a boycott of hamas? |
pelsar |
Jun-14-08 11:27 AM |
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Why? Hamas is calling for ceasefire and change of status quo. nt |
ProgressiveMuslim |
Jun-14-08 12:09 PM |
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hamas: |
pelsar |
Jun-14-08 02:18 PM |
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Bullshit. |
ProgressiveMuslim |
Jun-16-08 05:07 AM |
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if i recall it was called a... |
pelsar |
Jun-16-08 11:27 PM |
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Dude. Get a hold of yourself. Would you like me to search the posts that finally CONFIRMED |
ProgressiveMuslim |
Jun-17-08 04:19 PM |
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Who do you think this crowd posts for? |
azurnoir |
Jun-17-08 04:31 PM |
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Untrue |
Vegasaurus |
Jun-17-08 04:36 PM |
#90 |
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Pot meet kettle n/t |
azurnoir |
Jun-17-08 04:53 PM |
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psst... |
pelsar |
Jun-17-08 06:27 PM |
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But I do not "make stuff up" |
azurnoir |
Jun-17-08 08:12 PM |
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you insinuate things that are not true.... |
pelsar |
Jun-18-08 01:21 AM |
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Wow. Um... you've got something there on your shoulder, friend. |
Shaktimaan |
Jun-18-08 12:56 AM |
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we've been discovered...... |
pelsar |
Jun-18-08 01:38 AM |
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Um, shakti was the one who talked about a subversive agenda, not az.... |
Violet_Crumble |
Jun-24-08 06:08 AM |
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quite interesting isnt it.... |
pelsar |
Jun-18-08 10:33 AM |
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All the more reason for some of us to continue to post |
Vegasaurus |
Jun-18-08 12:15 PM |
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Whom do *you* think it posts for? |
LeftishBrit |
Jun-18-08 02:10 PM |
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You do not understand? |
azurnoir |
Jun-18-08 02:41 PM |
#112 |
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Who has decided not to post here? (If you're allowed to say.) |
LeftishBrit |
Jun-18-08 02:47 PM |
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To be honest I do not know |
azurnoir |
Jun-18-08 03:17 PM |
#114 |
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a very serious suggestion..... |
pelsar |
Jun-19-08 01:18 AM |
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A very serious answer |
azurnoir |
Jun-19-08 12:52 PM |
#118 |
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you insinuate constantly |
pelsar |
Jun-20-08 02:34 AM |
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Does "racist" even apply? |
azurnoir |
Jun-20-08 04:18 AM |
#130 |
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infering racism.... |
pelsar |
Jun-20-08 10:17 AM |
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Sir your statements are incorreect |
azurnoir |
Jun-20-08 06:38 PM |
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israel invaded in 82 because of the katuahas... |
pelsar |
Jun-22-08 05:13 AM |
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Vanity Fair, eh? |
Vegasaurus |
Jun-17-08 04:34 PM |
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Heres one |
azurnoir |
Jun-17-08 04:51 PM |
#92 |
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your hamas coup to prevent the |
pelsar |
Jun-17-08 06:24 PM |
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Vanity Fair article doesn't exactly say what you are suggesting |
oberliner |
Jun-18-08 02:03 AM |
#105 |
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Why Hamas won't recognise Israel |
delad |
Jun-19-08 07:32 PM |
#119 |
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Except Israel didn't start the '67 war |
Vegasaurus |
Jun-19-08 09:53 PM |
#120 |
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Israel is a country that actually does exist |
oberliner |
Jun-19-08 11:33 PM |
#121 |
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Sort of true but |
azurnoir |
Jun-20-08 12:04 AM |
#122 |
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Abbas has repeatedly reaffirmed the recognition of Israel as stated in Arafat's letter |
oberliner |
Jun-20-08 12:18 AM |
#123 |
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Has the charter been changed yet? |
azurnoir |
Jun-20-08 01:10 AM |
#124 |
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The charter was amended in 1996 |
oberliner |
Jun-20-08 01:32 AM |
#125 |
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recognition |
delad |
Jun-20-08 02:43 AM |
#127 |
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Then why is not changed on their website? |
azurnoir |
Jun-20-08 03:06 AM |
#129 |
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Why Hamas won't just recognize Israel. |
Shaktimaan |
Jun-20-08 02:51 AM |
#128 |
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Change in status quo? |
Vegasaurus |
Jun-14-08 05:20 PM |
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It all boils down to rockets and suicide bombings. Those stop and |
pegleg |
Jun-16-08 03:32 PM |
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Simplistic and naive |
Tarc |
Jun-23-08 12:26 PM |
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Jun-23-08 01:57 PM |
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Jun-24-08 08:09 AM |
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Your rude and unpleasant style aside |
Vegasaurus |
Jun-24-08 08:58 AM |
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truth hurts, eh? |
Tarc |
Jun-24-08 11:57 PM |
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Jun-25-08 01:35 PM |
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The truth hurts? |
Shaktimaan |
Jun-27-08 03:03 AM |
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Of course it isn't. |
LeftishBrit |
Jun-24-08 09:46 AM |
#178 |
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nothing let for them to do? |
pelsar |
Jun-24-08 08:29 AM |
#176 |
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pretty much, yep |
Tarc |
Jun-24-08 11:55 PM |
#180 |
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actually is was the hagana |
pelsar |
Jun-25-08 01:39 AM |
#182 |
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/yawn |
Tarc |
Jun-25-08 09:43 AM |
#184 |
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no apology for zionist motivations..... |
pelsar |
Jun-25-08 11:11 AM |
#185 |
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Two comments... |
Shaktimaan |
Jun-27-08 03:31 AM |
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boycott of israeli arabs |
pelsar |
Jun-24-08 12:35 AM |
#170 |
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No one has the right to impose a cultural boycott |
HamdenRice |
Jun-25-08 12:37 PM |
#186 |
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If we are going to boycott a culture based |
Zionismisnotracism |
Jun-26-08 12:50 PM |
#188 |
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Did you read the post? It's not based on bad behavior |
HamdenRice |
Jun-26-08 01:44 PM |
#189 |
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What good would come from a boycott? |
Phx_Dem |
Jun-26-08 02:00 PM |
#190 |
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I just re-read the whole article, |
Shaktimaan |
Jun-27-08 04:07 AM |
#193 |
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