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3. Why just South Africa?
I'm sure the same type of argument against boycotts was used back during the days of Apartheid...

I've seen some very cohesive arguments as to why there should be a boycott of Israel, though to have a chance of being effective I think it needs to be done at the international level in the form of sanctions and has to be specific in its goals...

I'm not knowledgable enough about those who are promoting the idea of boycotts to know whether or not they do give attention to promoting Palestinian culture. If they don't, they should, but I don't think the promotion of those two things must be mutually exclusive...
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  -Why a Cultural Boycott of Israel Is Necessary madeline_con  Jun-13-08 11:58 PM   #0 
  - Why just Israel?  LeftishBrit   Jun-14-08 05:55 AM   #1 
  - Why just South Africa?  Violet_Crumble   Jun-14-08 08:02 AM   #3 
  - One difference...  LeftishBrit   Jun-14-08 08:19 AM   #4 
  - There's no difference...  Violet_Crumble   Jun-14-08 09:04 AM   #8 
     - OK -let's leave out China for the moment (unless it actually joins the boycott)....  LeftishBrit   Jun-14-08 11:13 AM   #18 
        - We boycotted South Africa...  Violet_Crumble   Jun-16-08 06:29 AM   #45 
  - Israel is not South Africa  oberliner   Jun-14-08 08:32 AM   #7 
     - So a country has to be unique in order to have sanctions imposed?  Violet_Crumble   Jun-14-08 09:13 AM   #9 
        - Cultural boycotts  oberliner   Jun-14-08 09:46 AM   #11 
        - It has to be unique in that it  Shaktimaan   Jun-14-08 09:51 AM   #12 
           - The rationale and terms are made clear by PACBI:  ProgressiveMuslim   Jun-14-08 12:14 PM   #23 
           - Let's be honest about what this means.  aranthus   Jun-14-08 07:40 PM   #32 
           - Genocidal war is right  Vegasaurus   Jun-15-08 07:40 PM   #38 
           - Try learning what genocide is before abusing the term...  Violet_Crumble   Jun-16-08 06:59 AM   #48 
              - This is a call to genocide  aranthus   Jun-16-08 11:19 AM   #61 
                 - No, it's not...you really need to study up on what genocide is...  Violet_Crumble   Jun-22-08 04:27 AM   #133 
                    - Nonsense.  aranthus   Jun-22-08 02:34 PM   #148 
                       - Deleted message  Name removed   Jun-22-08 02:59 PM   #150 
                       - Does anyone else think those comments are bigoted negative generalisations?  Violet_Crumble   Jun-24-08 06:50 AM   #174 
                       - That's one way of self-describing yr post :)  Violet_Crumble   Jun-23-08 06:30 AM   #158 
                          - Deleted message  Name removed   Jun-23-08 12:23 PM   #165 
                             - No I wasn't. I didn't realise recommending books was an offensive thing...  Violet_Crumble   Jun-24-08 04:49 AM   #171 
           - This means Israel's ongoing perpetration of evil against the people of Palestine must CEASE.  ProgressiveMuslim   Jun-16-08 05:11 AM   #43 
              - You are denying the import of the very goals you support.  aranthus   Jun-16-08 11:23 AM   #62 
           - Well, they are certainly clear about their terms.  Shaktimaan   Jun-15-08 01:15 AM   #36 
              - So which refugees do you think Resolution 194 is referring to?  Violet_Crumble   Jun-16-08 07:47 AM   #55 
                 - Oh, it refers to the Palestinians alright.  Shaktimaan   Jun-16-08 10:35 PM   #68 
                    - It definately refers to the Palestinians...  Violet_Crumble   Jun-22-08 04:30 AM   #134 
                       - If this Resolution does give the Palestinian refugees the right of return...  Shaktimaan   Jun-27-08 04:14 AM   #194 
           - So why is it acceptable to single out Gaza for boycotting and sanctions?  Violet_Crumble   Jun-16-08 06:49 AM   #47 
              - IIMO, that isn't acceptable and isn't working.  LeftishBrit   Jun-16-08 07:12 AM   #49 
              - I'm pretty sure Shakti isn't opposed to the sanctions imposed on Gaza...  Violet_Crumble   Jun-16-08 07:28 AM   #50 
                 - 'The attitude seems to be mainly confined to the Middle East...'  LeftishBrit   Jun-16-08 10:22 AM   #59 
              - Israel has not made annihilation of another country its national goal  Vegasaurus   Jun-16-08 07:45 AM   #54 
                 - Neither have the Palestinians...  Violet_Crumble   Jun-16-08 07:56 AM   #56 
                    - The government of the Palestinians, in Gaza, absolutely has  Vegasaurus   Jun-16-08 08:19 AM   #57 
                       - So when will you be demanding sanctions against the US?  Violet_Crumble   Jun-16-08 08:27 AM   #58 
                          - You have a reading comprehension problem  Vegasaurus   Jun-16-08 10:28 AM   #60 
                             - And you have a lack of intelligence problem...  Violet_Crumble   Jun-22-08 04:34 AM   #135 
                                - Not true, there is nothing that says a country must accept an election  Dick Dastardly   Jun-22-08 05:30 AM   #140 
                                - So you support the US govt and its regular attempts at regime change round the world?  Violet_Crumble   Jun-22-08 05:36 AM   #141 
                                   - So do you just make things up and put words in peoples mouths  Dick Dastardly   Jun-22-08 05:42 AM   #142 
                                      - No, the US has stated that it wants regime change...  Violet_Crumble   Jun-22-08 05:45 AM   #143 
                                         - No stating a want and actually invading for regime change are 2 different things  Dick Dastardly   Jun-22-08 06:30 AM   #145 
                                            - You think it's not regime change if there's no invasion involved?  Violet_Crumble   Jun-22-08 06:53 AM   #146 
                                               - Using your right to not deal with someone you dont like and or dont approve of  Dick Dastardly   Jun-22-08 06:39 PM   #154 
                                               - No, it's not merely a matter of not wanting to deal with a govt...  Violet_Crumble   Jun-23-08 06:43 AM   #159 
                                               - Again you move the goal posts and ignore what is said.  Dick Dastardly   Jun-23-08 10:41 PM   #168 
                                               - Maybe you should quit it with the ad-homs and try and stay on-topic?  Violet_Crumble   Jun-24-08 04:56 AM   #172 
                                               - More of the same I have come to expect.  Dick Dastardly   Jun-24-08 10:13 PM   #179 
                                               - Let me get this straight., You accusing me of not wanting honest debate is yr idea of honest debate?  Violet_Crumble   Jun-25-08 02:29 AM   #183 
                                               - Back in 2000  eyl   Jun-23-08 04:26 AM   #157 
                                - Cease with the ad hominems  Vegasaurus   Jun-22-08 02:56 PM   #149 
                                   - So you are claiming that from at least 2004 to today  azurnoir   Jun-22-08 04:10 PM   #151 
                                   - Are you seriously equating  Vegasaurus   Jun-22-08 04:15 PM   #152 
                                      - Different circumstances create  azurnoir   Jun-22-08 05:06 PM   #153 
                                      - Strictly speaking the US isn't a democracy...  Violet_Crumble   Jun-23-08 07:18 AM   #163 
                                   - That's rich coming from someone who told me to get a life...  Violet_Crumble   Jun-23-08 07:11 AM   #162 
                                      - Deleted message  Name removed   Jun-23-08 09:00 AM   #164 
  - Why NOT Israel?  ProgressiveMuslim   Jun-14-08 08:32 AM   #6 
  - Well, considering that Hamas is at least as intransigent  Shaktimaan   Jun-14-08 10:15 AM   #13 
  - Hamas is as intransigent? RU kidding? nt  ProgressiveMuslim   Jun-14-08 10:30 AM   #14 
  - No. Not kidding.  Shaktimaan   Jun-14-08 10:45 AM   #16 
     - Let's turn the tables...can you point to an example when an Israeli has done something besides TALK  ProgressiveMuslim   Jun-14-08 12:10 PM   #22 
        - They have withdrawn from gaza, dismantled settlements,  Sezu   Jun-14-08 12:29 PM   #24 
        - Palestinian officials: Israel offers new West Bank proposal  oberliner   Jun-14-08 12:34 PM   #25 
        - I'd love to see the map!  ProgressiveMuslim   Jun-16-08 05:14 AM   #44 
           - So would I...  Violet_Crumble   Jun-16-08 07:37 AM   #51 
           - I believe that it can happen  oberliner   Jun-16-08 11:26 AM   #63 
           - thats just talk....  pelsar   Jun-16-08 11:15 PM   #69 
        - you really have to ignore history for that post .....  pelsar   Jun-14-08 11:13 PM   #34 
  - Slaves in Alabama were intransigent too.  grassfed   Jun-14-08 02:39 PM   #28 
  - Slaves in Alabama  Vegasaurus   Jun-14-08 05:19 PM   #30 
  - What the hell is 'global dole'??  Violet_Crumble   Jun-22-08 04:39 AM   #136 
  - Wait... what?  Shaktimaan   Jun-15-08 11:40 PM   #39 
  - Occupation is an a priori evil instituion, as was slavery.  ProgressiveMuslim   Jun-16-08 05:08 AM   #42 
  - I 'd support a boycott of Hamas  number6   Jun-15-08 07:19 PM   #37 
  - Well for starters  aranthus   Jun-14-08 07:44 PM   #33 
  - defend the indefensible if you like.  grassfed   Jun-14-08 02:37 PM   #27 
     - Just for the record...  LeftishBrit   Jun-14-08 03:50 PM   #29 
  - It won't happen  Vegasaurus   Jun-14-08 07:22 AM   #2 
  - Nokia's an Israeli company?  Violet_Crumble   Jun-14-08 09:34 AM   #10 
     - Interesting list of settlement-made products that Gush Shalom suggests boycotting:  ProgressiveMuslim   Jun-14-08 10:39 AM   #15 
     - Guess you don't knowingly use your cell phone or computer, with its Pentium processor  Vegasaurus   Jun-14-08 11:09 AM   #17 
     - google ....  pelsar   Jun-14-08 11:23 PM   #35 
     - So what you are saying is that  azurnoir   Jun-16-08 04:54 AM   #40 
     - You can use them or not  Vegasaurus   Jun-16-08 07:40 AM   #52 
        - Hey, I've got a question!  Violet_Crumble   Jun-22-08 05:09 AM   #138 
     - You're an amateur...  shaayecanaan   Jun-22-08 06:16 AM   #144 
        - Does this mean I can start using my computer and eating hummus and pomegranites again?  Violet_Crumble   Jun-23-08 07:01 AM   #161 
           - Correction  shaayecanaan   Jun-23-08 10:44 PM   #169 
     - I'd refuse to buy anything from companies based in the West Bank...  Violet_Crumble   Jun-16-08 07:41 AM   #53 
     - Cell phone technology  Vegasaurus   Jun-14-08 11:15 AM   #19 
        - Mobile phone networks and technology were developed in Europe...  Violet_Crumble   Jun-16-08 06:45 AM   #46 
           - Goulash? OK, you're not understanding this.  Shaktimaan   Jun-16-08 12:45 PM   #64 
              - Thank you, Shatki  Vegasaurus   Jun-16-08 01:33 PM   #65 
                 - Too true.  Shaktimaan   Jun-16-08 01:48 PM   #66 
                 - You and Vegas are the ones who don't understand...  Violet_Crumble   Jun-22-08 04:56 AM   #137 
                    - I could care less what you do, Violet  Vegasaurus   Jun-22-08 11:25 AM   #147 
                       - Then why are you so fascinated by me and pomegranites?  Violet_Crumble   Jun-23-08 06:48 AM   #160 
                 - And thank you for making my point again  azurnoir   Jun-17-08 05:05 AM   #71 
                    - What is your point?  Vegasaurus   Jun-17-08 06:47 AM   #72 
                       - Actually you can ignore them  azurnoir   Jun-17-08 11:06 AM   #73 
                          - Incorrect  Vegasaurus   Jun-17-08 11:49 AM   #74 
                          - Spouting nonsense?  azurnoir   Jun-17-08 12:32 PM   #76 
                             - Israeli firms developed a lot of the technology we're discussing.  Shaktimaan   Jun-17-08 02:18 PM   #79 
                          - If those companies don't matter,  Shaktimaan   Jun-17-08 11:52 AM   #75 
                             - So it would seem that your point here is  azurnoir   Jun-17-08 12:44 PM   #77 
                                - No, you are missing the point again  Vegasaurus   Jun-17-08 12:53 PM   #78 
                                - So we are back to  azurnoir   Jun-17-08 04:04 PM   #84 
                                   - I am not BACK to that point  Vegasaurus   Jun-17-08 04:30 PM   #87 
                                      - No but whether you realize it or not  azurnoir   Jun-22-08 07:10 PM   #155 
                                         - What the hell are you talking about?  Vegasaurus   Jun-22-08 07:46 PM   #156 
                                - so one of those questions again...based on ignorance or spite?  pelsar   Jun-17-08 02:31 PM   #80 
                                   - Hey pelsar,  Shaktimaan   Jun-17-08 03:33 PM   #81 
                                   - very common...  pelsar   Jun-17-08 03:56 PM   #82 
                                      - Pretty much the same as the US for managment  azurnoir   Jun-17-08 04:19 PM   #85 
                                         - technically i'm right...that means...  pelsar   Jun-17-08 06:00 PM   #95 
                                   - Israel does not have socialized or state paid health care?  azurnoir   Jun-17-08 04:02 PM   #83 
                                      - I think he meant that  Shaktimaan   Jun-17-08 04:47 PM   #91 
                                      - The health insurance point was my original post Ma'm  azurnoir   Jun-17-08 05:05 PM   #94 
                                      - the state health service comes out of the paycheck...  pelsar   Jun-17-08 06:04 PM   #96 
                                         - Comes out of paycheck?  azurnoir   Jun-17-08 06:26 PM   #98 
                                            - its their "tax" that i pay...  pelsar   Jun-17-08 11:15 PM   #101 
                                               - Gee so that is the standard method  azurnoir   Jun-18-08 05:34 AM   #106 
                                                  - your right it is standard...  pelsar   Jun-18-08 11:46 AM   #108 
                                                     - See #85  azurnoir   Jun-18-08 12:30 PM   #110 
                                                     - It is cheaper in israel..  pelsar   Jun-18-08 10:14 PM   #115 
                                                     - Sir I corrected it yesterday that would be Tuesday  azurnoir   Jun-18-08 10:50 PM   #116 
  - Add academic to that... as Palestinian students and scholars are imprisoned  ProgressiveMuslim   Jun-14-08 08:31 AM   #5 
  - and at least support a boycott of hamas?  pelsar   Jun-14-08 11:27 AM   #20 
  - Why? Hamas is calling for ceasefire and change of status quo. nt  ProgressiveMuslim   Jun-14-08 12:09 PM   #21 
     - hamas:  pelsar   Jun-14-08 02:18 PM   #26 
     - Bullshit.  ProgressiveMuslim   Jun-16-08 05:07 AM   #41 
        - if i recall it was called a...  pelsar   Jun-16-08 11:27 PM   #70 
           - Dude. Get a hold of yourself. Would you like me to search the posts that finally CONFIRMED  ProgressiveMuslim   Jun-17-08 04:19 PM   #86 
              - Who do you think this crowd posts for?  azurnoir   Jun-17-08 04:31 PM   #88 
              - Untrue  Vegasaurus   Jun-17-08 04:36 PM   #90 
              - Pot meet kettle n/t  azurnoir   Jun-17-08 04:53 PM   #93 
              - psst...  pelsar   Jun-17-08 06:27 PM   #99 
              - But I do not "make stuff up"  azurnoir   Jun-17-08 08:12 PM   #100 
                 - you insinuate things that are not true....  pelsar   Jun-18-08 01:21 AM   #103 
              - Wow. Um... you've got something there on your shoulder, friend.  Shaktimaan   Jun-18-08 12:56 AM   #102 
              - we've been discovered......  pelsar   Jun-18-08 01:38 AM   #104 
              - Um, shakti was the one who talked about a subversive agenda, not az....  Violet_Crumble   Jun-24-08 06:08 AM   #173 
              - quite interesting isnt it....  pelsar   Jun-18-08 10:33 AM   #107 
                 - All the more reason for some of us to continue to post  Vegasaurus   Jun-18-08 12:15 PM   #109 
              - Whom do *you* think it posts for?  LeftishBrit   Jun-18-08 02:10 PM   #111 
                 - You do not understand?  azurnoir   Jun-18-08 02:41 PM   #112 
                    - Who has decided not to post here? (If you're allowed to say.)  LeftishBrit   Jun-18-08 02:47 PM   #113 
                       - To be honest I do not know  azurnoir   Jun-18-08 03:17 PM   #114 
                          - a very serious suggestion.....  pelsar   Jun-19-08 01:18 AM   #117 
                             - A very serious answer  azurnoir   Jun-19-08 12:52 PM   #118 
                                - you insinuate constantly  pelsar   Jun-20-08 02:34 AM   #126 
                                   - Does "racist" even apply?  azurnoir   Jun-20-08 04:18 AM   #130 
                                      - infering racism....  pelsar   Jun-20-08 10:17 AM   #131 
                                         - Sir your statements are incorreect  azurnoir   Jun-20-08 06:38 PM   #132 
                                            - israel invaded in 82 because of the katuahas...  pelsar   Jun-22-08 05:13 AM   #139 
              - Vanity Fair, eh?  Vegasaurus   Jun-17-08 04:34 PM   #89 
              - Heres one  azurnoir   Jun-17-08 04:51 PM   #92 
              - your hamas coup to prevent the  pelsar   Jun-17-08 06:24 PM   #97 
              - Vanity Fair article doesn't exactly say what you are suggesting  oberliner   Jun-18-08 02:03 AM   #105 
                 - Why Hamas won't recognise Israel  delad   Jun-19-08 07:32 PM   #119 
                 - Except Israel didn't start the '67 war  Vegasaurus   Jun-19-08 09:53 PM   #120 
                 - Israel is a country that actually does exist  oberliner   Jun-19-08 11:33 PM   #121 
                    - Sort of true but  azurnoir   Jun-20-08 12:04 AM   #122 
                       - Abbas has repeatedly reaffirmed the recognition of Israel as stated in Arafat's letter  oberliner   Jun-20-08 12:18 AM   #123 
                          - Has the charter been changed yet?  azurnoir   Jun-20-08 01:10 AM   #124 
                             - The charter was amended in 1996  oberliner   Jun-20-08 01:32 AM   #125 
                                - recognition  delad   Jun-20-08 02:43 AM   #127 
                                - Then why is not changed on their website?  azurnoir   Jun-20-08 03:06 AM   #129 
                 - Why Hamas won't just recognize Israel.  Shaktimaan   Jun-20-08 02:51 AM   #128 
     - Change in status quo?  Vegasaurus   Jun-14-08 05:20 PM   #31 
        - It all boils down to rockets and suicide bombings. Those stop and  pegleg   Jun-16-08 03:32 PM   #67 
           - Simplistic and naive  Tarc   Jun-23-08 12:26 PM   #166 
              - Deleted message  Name removed   Jun-23-08 01:57 PM   #167 
              - Deleted message  Name removed   Jun-24-08 08:09 AM   #175 
                 - Your rude and unpleasant style aside  Vegasaurus   Jun-24-08 08:58 AM   #177 
                 - truth hurts, eh?  Tarc   Jun-24-08 11:57 PM   #181 
                    - Deleted message  Name removed   Jun-25-08 01:35 PM   #187 
                    - The truth hurts?  Shaktimaan   Jun-27-08 03:03 AM   #191 
                 - Of course it isn't.  LeftishBrit   Jun-24-08 09:46 AM   #178 
              - nothing let for them to do?  pelsar   Jun-24-08 08:29 AM   #176 
              - pretty much, yep  Tarc   Jun-24-08 11:55 PM   #180 
                 - actually is was the hagana  pelsar   Jun-25-08 01:39 AM   #182 
                    - /yawn  Tarc   Jun-25-08 09:43 AM   #184 
                       - no apology for zionist motivations.....  pelsar   Jun-25-08 11:11 AM   #185 
              - Two comments...  Shaktimaan   Jun-27-08 03:31 AM   #192 
  - boycott of israeli arabs  pelsar   Jun-24-08 12:35 AM   #170 
  - No one has the right to impose a cultural boycott  HamdenRice   Jun-25-08 12:37 PM   #186 
  - If we are going to boycott a culture based  Zionismisnotracism   Jun-26-08 12:50 PM   #188 
  - Did you read the post? It's not based on bad behavior  HamdenRice   Jun-26-08 01:44 PM   #189 
  - What good would come from a boycott?  Phx_Dem   Jun-26-08 02:00 PM   #190 
  - I just re-read the whole article,  Shaktimaan   Jun-27-08 04:07 AM   #193 
 

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