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MaryCeleste Donating Member (898 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 10:34 AM
Response to Reply #24
25. Actually its both
It can be a pain to get in, and a pain to leave.

One of the main concerns seems to be the potential of items being carried in to Israel or through TLV. By making people leave through Jordan, it minimizes that.
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  -AAI leads delegation to protest restrictions in Americans in Occupied Territories ProgressiveMuslim  Mar-20-08 07:50 PM   #0 
  - Clearly, some "Americans" are more equal than others. nt  ProgressiveMuslim   Mar-20-08 07:51 PM   #1 
  - Its a process they apply to citizens of all nations  MaryCeleste   Mar-21-08 09:35 AM   #21 
  - I hope people are equally outraged by the fact that anyone with an Israeli  Vegasaurus   Mar-20-08 08:50 PM   #2 
  - And how does this relate to the US and its relationship with Israel? It doesn't.  breakaleg   Mar-20-08 10:16 PM   #3 
  - Israel is a sovereign nation  Vegasaurus   Mar-21-08 06:32 AM   #9 
     - The article's about entry to the Occupied Territories, not Israel...n/t  Violet_Crumble   Mar-21-08 07:50 AM   #14 
     - This is about how Israel is treating SOME US citizens differently than others.  breakaleg   Mar-21-08 08:52 AM   #20 
        - What about Israeli-Americans or Americans who have visited Israel?  oberliner   Mar-21-08 02:42 PM   #33 
        - Americans with Israeli passport stamps are not welcome in Arab countries either  Vegasaurus   Mar-22-08 08:42 AM   #40 
  - So you are OK with American citizens  azurnoir   Mar-21-08 12:13 AM   #4 
     - What you are complaining about is profiling, which is common in many countries  MaryCeleste   Mar-21-08 01:47 AM   #5 
     - Imagine our government's response if Americans of Jewish background were subject to a different  ProgressiveMuslim   Mar-21-08 06:30 AM   #7 
        - American Jews don't pose a threat to French national security  Vegasaurus   Mar-21-08 06:38 AM   #10 
        - And Arab-Americans don't pose a threat to Israeli national security...  Violet_Crumble   Mar-21-08 08:06 AM   #15 
        - As I understand, this isn't about Palestinians but about Americans of Arab descent..  LeftishBrit   Mar-21-08 08:17 AM   #17 
        - It DOES happen in many Arab countries; and there's no hue and cry  LeftishBrit   Mar-21-08 06:57 AM   #11 
           - List these 'many Arab countries' that it happens to Americans in...n/t  Violet_Crumble   Mar-21-08 07:48 AM   #13 
              - I should not have said 'many'; I was thinking specifically of Saudi Arabia..  LeftishBrit   Mar-21-08 08:11 AM   #16 
                 - Yeah, Saudi Arabia's the only one I can think of...  Violet_Crumble   Mar-21-08 08:22 AM   #18 
                    - There are no American Jews working in SA? nt  ProgressiveMuslim   Mar-21-08 08:44 AM   #19 
                    - Actually, my call might have been hasty...  Violet_Crumble   Mar-23-08 07:41 AM   #45 
                    - Bahrain, Kuwait, Qatar will not allow anyone whose passports show evidence of a visit to Israel...  oberliner   Mar-21-08 08:37 PM   #36 
                       - I have had to change passports a few times for that reason  MaryCeleste   Mar-22-08 12:03 AM   #37 
                       - If you've had to change it more than once, you're a bit slow on the uptake  shaayecanaan   Mar-22-08 04:03 AM   #38 
                          - Exactly,"everyone" does that. This was the same procedure during South African apartheid days  Douglas Carpenter   Mar-22-08 05:46 AM   #39 
                          - Except if you have an Israeli passport  Vegasaurus   Mar-22-08 08:48 AM   #41 
                          - The usual bullshit applies  shaayecanaan   Mar-22-08 09:31 AM   #42 
                             - Try to go to any Arab country with an Israeli passport  Vegasaurus   Mar-23-08 11:07 AM   #49 
                                - yes  shaayecanaan   Mar-23-08 07:32 PM   #50 
                                   - But perhaps Israelis would like to visit their former homelands  Vegasaurus   Mar-23-08 07:59 PM   #52 
                                      - Perhaps Palestinians would like to visit theirs  shaayecanaan   Mar-24-08 07:22 AM   #53 
                          - Some people do get caught out once...  shaayecanaan   Mar-22-08 10:04 AM   #43 
                          - First time I was young, more recently I just forgot and felt all the more stupid for it  MaryCeleste   Mar-22-08 10:44 AM   #44 
                             - But of course...  shaayecanaan   Mar-23-08 07:38 PM   #51 
                       - That's a long stretch from a claim that Jews are barred from countries...  Violet_Crumble   Mar-23-08 07:48 AM   #46 
                          - Israeli-Americans are barred from entering countries that are ostensibly "friendly" to the US  oberliner   Mar-23-08 08:52 AM   #48 
                             - They are not barred from entering those countries using their US passports n/t.  Violet_Crumble   Mar-24-08 07:29 AM   #54 
                                - Really? Having seen it first hand, I would disagree with you  MaryCeleste   Mar-24-08 09:44 PM   #55 
                                   - Oh, well. If *you* say so, it MUST be true!  Violet_Crumble   Mar-25-08 06:58 AM   #56 
     - I am not happy about ethnic discrimination anywhere...  LeftishBrit   Mar-21-08 07:02 AM   #12 
     - The US does similar things too  azurnoir   Mar-21-08 10:00 AM   #23 
        - Here's the latest horror story from the UK  LeftishBrit   Mar-21-08 02:27 PM   #32 
           - Thank you  azurnoir   Mar-21-08 03:16 PM   #34 
     - No, there is no such expectation  MaryCeleste   Mar-21-08 09:37 AM   #22 
        - This is not an issue about entry  azurnoir   Mar-21-08 10:12 AM   #24 
           - Actually its both  MaryCeleste   Mar-21-08 10:34 AM   #25 
              - Huh?  azurnoir   Mar-21-08 11:01 AM   #27 
                 - TLV security is about as good as it gets, but its not perfect  MaryCeleste   Mar-21-08 11:07 AM   #29 
  - Its a sovreignity issue  MaryCeleste   Mar-21-08 01:51 AM   #6 
     - It is Israel's right. But our gov't should stand behind its own citizens is the point.  ProgressiveMuslim   Mar-21-08 06:31 AM   #8 
        - If it is Israel's right, why should it?  MaryCeleste   Mar-21-08 10:35 AM   #26 
           - Israel is free to act as racist as it pleases.  ProgressiveMuslim   Mar-21-08 11:02 AM   #28 
              - Its not racist, its profiling  MaryCeleste   Mar-21-08 11:09 AM   #30 
                 - I agree with your first point . .  msmcghee   Mar-21-08 11:18 AM   #31 
                 - Profiling IS racist, at least according to most DEMOCRATS.  ProgressiveMuslim   Mar-21-08 04:36 PM   #35 
                 - Where the hell do you get off talking about the rest of the world?  Violet_Crumble   Mar-23-08 07:53 AM   #47 

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