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Douglas Carpenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 02:39 AM
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13. Israel redeployed from the Gaza and doubled the settlement construction plans in the West Bank
Edited on Wed Mar-05-08 02:46 AM by Douglas Carpenter
Israel withdrew the settlements from the Gaza - and doubled the settlement construction plans in
the West Bank - links:

Including a whole new settlement in the Jordan Valley. That's a long, long way from the Green Line. link:

There are approximately 450,000 Israeli settlers in the West Bank, including East Jerusalem. According to B'tselem: The Israeli Information Center for Human Rights, " the built-up area of the settlements in the West Bank covers 1.7 percent of the West Bank, the settlements control 41.9 percent of the entire West Bank".*

With the construction of massive new highways and expansion of the massive settlements surrounding Jerusalem...unimpeided access between a Palestinian capital in East Jerusalem and the rest of the West Bank is becoming increasingly unlikely:

New segregated Road being built cuts off East Jerusalem and divides the West Bank

"The Americans demanded from Sharon contiguity for a Palestinian state," said Shaul Arieli, a reserve colonel in the army who participated in the 2000 Camp David negotiations and specializes in maps. "This road was Sharons answer, to build a road for Palestinians between Ramallah and Bethlehem but not to Jerusalem. This was how to connect the West Bank while keeping Jerusalem united and not giving Palestinians any blanket permission to enter East Jerusalem."


"To Daniel Seidemann, a lawyer who advises an Israeli advocacy group called Ir Amim, which works for Israeli-Palestinian cooperation in Jerusalem, the road suggests an ominous map of the future. It is one in which Israel keeps nearly all of East Jerusalem and a ring of Israeli settlements surrounding it, providing a cordon of Israelis between largely Arab East Jerusalem and the rest of the West Bank, which will become part of a future Palestinian state."


"To me, this road is a move to create borders, to change final status," Mr. Seidemann said, referring to unresolved issues regarding borders, refugees and the fate of Jerusalem. "Its to allow Maale Adumim and E1 into Jerusalem but be able to say, See, were treating the Palestinians well theres geographical contiguity. "

Measure it yourself, he said. "The Palestinian road is 16 meters wide," or 52 feet, he added. "The Israeli theory of a contiguous Palestinian state is 16 meters wide."

"In the end, he said, there is no Palestinian state, even though the Israelis speak of one. Instead, he said, there will be a settler state and a Palestinian built-up area, divided into three sectors, cut by fingers of Israeli settlement and connected only by narrow roads."

link to full article:


Settlement expansion actually massively exhilarated after the signing of the Oslo Accord in September 1993 resulting in increasing the number of setters by approximately 90% by the time of the Camp David 2000 talks. They exhiliarated again following the Gaza redeployment.

New UN map charts West Bank reality
From the Financial Times of London

"Produced by the United Nationss Office for the Co-ordination of Humanitarian Affairs, it is based on extensive monitoring in the field combined with analysis of satellite imagery. It provides an overall picture officials say is even more comprehensive than charts drawn up by the Israeli military.

The impact of Israeli civilian and military infrastructure is to render 40 per cent of the territory, which is roughly the size of the US state of Delaware or the English county of Norfolk, off-limits to Palestinians."

snip:"The rest of the territory, including main centres such as Nablus and Jericho, is split into isolated spots. Movement between them is restricted by 450 roadblocks and 70 manned checkpoints"

snip:"Diplomats say the effect of the infrastructure changes would be to formalise the de facto cantonisation of the West Bank. Some 450,000 Israelis live in the West Bank and occupied east Jerusalem and settlements have grown by at least 5.5 per cent a year compared with less than 3 per cent among Palestinians."
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  -Colonial realities subsuelo  Mar-04-08 07:09 AM   #0 
  - i need some help here....  pelsar   Mar-04-08 07:40 AM   #1 
  - 'Retaliation' is the standard claim employed by both sides  subsuelo   Mar-04-08 07:54 AM   #2 
  - The "reasoning", and I use that word loosely, seems to be about the same on both sides.  bemildred   Mar-04-08 08:09 AM   #3 
  - I think it's a little matter of your 50 year history of human-rights-denying tyranny. nt  ProgressiveMuslim   Mar-04-08 11:07 AM   #7 
     - Actually its quite a bit longer than that in the Muslim nataions  MaryCeleste   Mar-04-08 07:13 PM   #9 
     - I can't believe what I'm reading around here lately  subsuelo   Mar-04-08 07:16 PM   #10 
     - I suggest you read up on how Muslims have treated Bah'ai for much longer than 50 years  MaryCeleste   Mar-05-08 02:11 AM   #11 
        - It shocks me to even have to point this out, but.  subsuelo   Mar-05-08 07:28 AM   #19 
           - Its shocks me that you do not understand the history of the region  MaryCeleste   Mar-05-08 05:58 PM   #20 
              - Fine let's start phrasing all I/P discussion as "Jewish persection of members of the Muslim faith"  subsuelo   Mar-05-08 06:42 PM   #22 
                 - The source of your outrage continues to elude me  MaryCeleste   Mar-05-08 07:25 PM   #23 
                    - Ok, here is a simple question  subsuelo   Mar-05-08 07:38 PM   #24 
                       - Yes if it was a historical fact in context  MaryCeleste   Mar-05-08 08:54 PM   #26 
     - I just trotted off and asked the Bah'ai...  Violet_Crumble   Mar-05-08 04:23 AM   #18 
        - I was pointing out the PKB aspects of the prior post by PM  MaryCeleste   Mar-05-08 06:13 PM   #21 
     - So it is to be expected that when Israel  Shaktimaan   Mar-05-08 02:33 AM   #12 
        - Israel redeployed from the Gaza and doubled the settlement construction plans in the West Bank  Douglas Carpenter   Mar-05-08 02:39 AM   #13 
           - the new settlement building began  Shaktimaan   Mar-05-08 02:58 AM   #14 
              - I don't believe you will find that is accurate at all  Douglas Carpenter   Mar-05-08 03:12 AM   #15 
                 - yes the pullout from gaza...  pelsar   Mar-05-08 03:27 AM   #16 
                    - that is why I specified that this was in reference to a conditions following the Gaza redeployment..  Douglas Carpenter   Mar-05-08 03:37 AM   #17 
                       - You still dont explain  Dick Dastardly   Mar-05-08 08:31 PM   #25 
                          - You should consider separating Hamas/Fatah from the people in Gaza  MaryCeleste   Mar-05-08 09:00 PM   #27 
                          - It is fairly long standing U.S./ Israeli policy to arm Fatah and try to separate Hamas from their  Douglas Carpenter   Mar-05-08 09:42 PM   #28 
                             - Arming Fatah is a more recent evolution  MaryCeleste   Mar-05-08 10:07 PM   #31 
                                - I agree that the rockets should stop..but will that make the Israeli  Douglas Carpenter   Mar-05-08 11:01 PM   #32 
                                   - It will make them stop killing in Gaza  MaryCeleste   Mar-05-08 11:53 PM   #33 
                                      - the West Bank annexation by Jordan was never recognized either  Douglas Carpenter   Mar-06-08 01:25 AM   #34 
                                         - Regardless of the borders, its clear that a Palestinian state will not be a functional country  MaryCeleste   Mar-06-08 08:49 AM   #35 
                                         - While Syria may be the only Arab state to support Hamas  Vegasaurus   Mar-06-08 09:22 AM   #36 
                                            - There is also "private" funding from many sources including the House of Saud  MaryCeleste   Mar-06-08 09:52 AM   #37 
                                            - as far as private funding from the Saudis- what your saying was probably true a few years ago  Douglas Carpenter   Mar-06-08 06:57 PM   #38 
                                            - probably  Douglas Carpenter   Mar-06-08 07:02 PM   #39 
                                               - Are you aware that Syria and Iran announced closer ties today?  MaryCeleste   Mar-06-08 10:09 PM   #40 
                                                  - that would not be the least bit surprising  Douglas Carpenter   Mar-07-08 03:37 AM   #41 
                          - well first of all I don't think the rocket attacks are a good thing  Douglas Carpenter   Mar-05-08 09:59 PM   #30 
  - Your source is not exactly fair and balanced  MaryCeleste   Mar-04-08 09:22 AM   #4 
     - What source is fair and balanced?  subsuelo   Mar-04-08 09:33 AM   #5 
     - It was mostly tone, the ignoring of other key facts, and the  MaryCeleste   Mar-04-08 10:03 AM   #6 
        - There are more than just a few  hifalutin   Mar-05-08 09:43 PM   #29 
     - wouldn't it be great if all reporting and analysis were done by non-Arabs and non-Jews? nt  ProgressiveMuslim   Mar-04-08 11:08 AM   #8 

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