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Wed Mar-05-08 05:45 AM
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| 50. I am ignoring nothing. I am simply stating after after 18 months of being |
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pilloried for "a coup" in Gaza, this article collects evidence that has been widely known but not widely accepted in the West.
Your (plural) hatred for fundamentalism blinds you to the facts of what happened.
Hamas won PLC elections in an internationally monitored free and fair election.
They immediately reached out to Fatah to work togeter. They did this contuously, and not as a ploy, or becaust other Arab nations forced them to, but because they didn't have the wherewithal to govern and they knew it.
Fatah preferred to let Hamas fail on its own, even if it meant taking the nation down with them.
Rather than work together, Fatah planned, with US pressure and Israel's backing to take Hamas down violently rather than through the electoral process.
Can we at least agree on those basic facts, even if you may choose to interpret them differently, (ie., Hamas didn't ever have the right to govern, etc.)
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| -The Gaza Bombshell |
Agony |
Mar-03-08 06:56 PM |
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I do know what to say. |
PDJane |
Mar-03-08 07:07 PM |
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Agony |
Mar-03-08 07:12 PM |
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empathy for whom? |
PDJane |
Mar-03-08 07:23 PM |
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critical mass |
Agony |
Mar-03-08 08:01 PM |
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One problem I've noticed with empathy.... |
TheMadMonk |
Mar-03-08 09:34 PM |
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Surprise not n/t |
azurnoir |
Mar-03-08 09:13 PM |
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I implore any serious observer/critic/student of the I/P conflict to read this piece. |
ProgressiveMuslim |
Mar-04-08 08:53 AM |
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We - they already knew or strongly suspected |
azurnoir |
Mar-04-08 09:13 AM |
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I have talked about a US-and Israel-backed coup on this forum for months |
ProgressiveMuslim |
Mar-04-08 09:21 AM |
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I tried too and got the same result |
azurnoir |
Mar-04-08 09:44 AM |
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Here is one piece, that pieces it all together and is corroborated. |
ProgressiveMuslim |
Mar-04-08 10:16 AM |
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The election was rigged |
Phx_Dem |
Mar-04-08 10:05 AM |
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Didn't Jimmy Carter say it wasn't? I think he is worthy of listening to. |
breakaleg |
Mar-04-08 10:09 AM |
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The report does not say there was cheating |
Phx_Dem |
Mar-04-08 10:13 AM |
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So Fatah rigged the election against itself? nt |
bemildred |
Mar-04-08 10:22 AM |
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The point was that Fatah itself was (and is) split internally, not that the election was rigged. |
ProgressiveMuslim |
Mar-04-08 10:59 AM |
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naive me. I thought everyone knew this. |
Douglas Carpenter |
Mar-04-08 09:29 AM |
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And we Americans wonder why so many in this world hate our guts. |
ProgressiveMuslim |
Mar-04-08 09:32 AM |
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its far murkier than... |
pelsar |
Mar-04-08 09:36 AM |
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Read the piece. Nothing murky about it. The US and Israel backed Abbas in a coup attempt. |
ProgressiveMuslim |
Mar-04-08 09:41 AM |
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As I remember he dismissed the paliament, appointed a new PM or whatever it is, |
bemildred |
Mar-04-08 09:54 AM |
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hamas and fatah.... |
pelsar |
Mar-04-08 03:46 PM |
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Yes I do think we know. |
ProgressiveMuslim |
Mar-04-08 05:32 PM |
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seriously? |
pelsar |
Mar-05-08 01:08 AM |
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Name removed |
Mar-04-08 10:11 AM |
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Did you read the article or just assume? |
azurnoir |
Mar-04-08 10:32 AM |
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You deny Hamas's actions? |
Vegasaurus |
Mar-04-08 01:03 PM |
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No I did not deny anything n/t |
azurnoir |
Mar-04-08 01:43 PM |
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is this another one? |
pelsar |
Mar-04-08 03:49 PM |
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Please Pelsar read the article |
azurnoir |
Mar-04-08 04:27 PM |
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The question is whether you are being deliberately obtuse or what |
Vegasaurus |
Mar-04-08 04:34 PM |
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But I did not deny that |
azurnoir |
Mar-04-08 04:42 PM |
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It was known |
azurnoir |
Mar-04-08 09:50 AM |
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As with so much of Israel's "narrative"... |
ProgressiveMuslim |
Mar-04-08 10:14 AM |
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I dunno if sweet is the term iI would use n/t |
azurnoir |
Mar-04-08 11:30 AM |
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Hamas did perform a "coup" |
Lithos |
Mar-04-08 01:02 PM |
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Did you read the article? |
ProgressiveMuslim |
Mar-04-08 02:34 PM |
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Actually yes I did |
Lithos |
Mar-04-08 03:25 PM |
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If Hamas wanted power all to itself: why in the world did they pursue a unity gov't??? |
ProgressiveMuslim |
Mar-04-08 03:31 PM |
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Because other Arab countries pressured them to |
Lithos |
Mar-04-08 03:42 PM |
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Can you source that? Because I recall their asking for a unity gov't about |
ProgressiveMuslim |
Mar-04-08 05:30 PM |
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i think your ignoring repolitiks.... |
pelsar |
Mar-04-08 10:54 PM |
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I am ignoring nothing. I am simply stating after after 18 months of being |
ProgressiveMuslim |
Mar-05-08 05:45 AM |
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That was pretty much my take. |
bemildred |
Mar-05-08 06:47 AM |
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I'm not so benevolent to Abbas. |
ProgressiveMuslim |
Mar-05-08 07:49 AM |
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I know you are not. |
bemildred |
Mar-05-08 09:38 AM |
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What do you think of the "peace talks" being back on? |
ProgressiveMuslim |
Mar-05-08 11:45 AM |
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Abbas has always wanted to negotiate, always wanted to talk. |
bemildred |
Mar-05-08 12:15 PM |
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How could he go forward? |
Vegasaurus |
Mar-05-08 01:21 PM |
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Why are you asking me? |
bemildred |
Mar-05-08 04:37 PM |
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Sorry! Just throwing the question out in the wind for anyone to answer. nt |
Vegasaurus |
Mar-05-08 04:38 PM |
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OK! I don't have an answer. nt |
bemildred |
Mar-05-08 04:47 PM |
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Here's a newsflash: Everyone wants peace talks between Fatah and Hamas except Israel and Abu Mazen. |
ProgressiveMuslim |
Mar-05-08 06:35 PM |
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Was this before or after the Executive Force was created? |
igil |
Mar-04-08 11:45 AM |
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Yeah, I dunno why any of it's a surprise. |
bemildred |
Mar-04-08 12:00 PM |
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Boy, there are some great quotations in this: |
bemildred |
Mar-04-08 03:21 PM |
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i thought that was rather absurd... |
pelsar |
Mar-04-08 10:48 PM |
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Yeah. I don't know if you know, but it echoes her response to the 9/11 attacks, too. |
bemildred |
Mar-05-08 06:56 AM |
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Another one: |
bemildred |
Mar-04-08 03:27 PM |
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“I’ve asked why nobody saw it coming,” Condoleezza Rice |
Disturbed |
Mar-04-08 03:52 PM |
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She was installed before the Dems had control |
Lithos |
Mar-04-08 11:39 PM |
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"Kill A Hundred Turks And Rest…" |
Agony |
Mar-10-08 02:16 AM |
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