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breakaleg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-04-08 10:09 AM
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18. Didn't Jimmy Carter say it wasn't? I think he is worthy of listening to.
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  -The Gaza Bombshell Agony  Mar-03-08 06:56 PM   #0 
  - I do know what to say.  PDJane   Mar-03-08 07:07 PM   #1 
  - ...  Agony   Mar-03-08 07:12 PM   #2 
     - empathy for whom?  PDJane   Mar-03-08 07:23 PM   #3 
        - critical mass  Agony   Mar-03-08 08:01 PM   #4 
           - One problem I've noticed with empathy....  TheMadMonk   Mar-03-08 09:34 PM   #6 
  - Surprise not n/t  azurnoir   Mar-03-08 09:13 PM   #5 
  - I implore any serious observer/critic/student of the I/P conflict to read this piece.  ProgressiveMuslim   Mar-04-08 08:53 AM   #7 
  - We - they already knew or strongly suspected  azurnoir   Mar-04-08 09:13 AM   #8 
  - I have talked about a US-and Israel-backed coup on this forum for months  ProgressiveMuslim   Mar-04-08 09:21 AM   #9 
     - I tried too and got the same result  azurnoir   Mar-04-08 09:44 AM   #14 
        - Here is one piece, that pieces it all together and is corroborated.  ProgressiveMuslim   Mar-04-08 10:16 AM   #22 
  - The election was rigged  Phx_Dem   Mar-04-08 10:05 AM   #17 
     - Didn't Jimmy Carter say it wasn't? I think he is worthy of listening to.  breakaleg   Mar-04-08 10:09 AM   #18 
        - The report does not say there was cheating  Phx_Dem   Mar-04-08 10:13 AM   #20 
           - So Fatah rigged the election against itself? nt  bemildred   Mar-04-08 10:22 AM   #23 
           - The point was that Fatah itself was (and is) split internally, not that the election was rigged.  ProgressiveMuslim   Mar-04-08 10:59 AM   #25 
  - naive me. I thought everyone knew this.  Douglas Carpenter   Mar-04-08 09:29 AM   #10 
  - And we Americans wonder why so many in this world hate our guts.  ProgressiveMuslim   Mar-04-08 09:32 AM   #11 
  - its far murkier than...  pelsar   Mar-04-08 09:36 AM   #12 
  - Read the piece. Nothing murky about it. The US and Israel backed Abbas in a coup attempt.  ProgressiveMuslim   Mar-04-08 09:41 AM   #13 
  - As I remember he dismissed the paliament, appointed a new PM or whatever it is,  bemildred   Mar-04-08 09:54 AM   #16 
  - hamas and fatah....  pelsar   Mar-04-08 03:46 PM   #38 
     - Yes I do think we know.  ProgressiveMuslim   Mar-04-08 05:32 PM   #45 
        - seriously?  pelsar   Mar-05-08 01:08 AM   #49 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Mar-04-08 10:11 AM   #19 
     - Did you read the article or just assume?  azurnoir   Mar-04-08 10:32 AM   #24 
        - You deny Hamas's actions?  Vegasaurus   Mar-04-08 01:03 PM   #30 
        - No I did not deny anything n/t  azurnoir   Mar-04-08 01:43 PM   #31 
        - is this another one?  pelsar   Mar-04-08 03:49 PM   #39 
           - Please Pelsar read the article  azurnoir   Mar-04-08 04:27 PM   #41 
              - The question is whether you are being deliberately obtuse or what  Vegasaurus   Mar-04-08 04:34 PM   #42 
                 - But I did not deny that  azurnoir   Mar-04-08 04:42 PM   #43 
  - It was known  azurnoir   Mar-04-08 09:50 AM   #15 
  - As with so much of Israel's "narrative"...  ProgressiveMuslim   Mar-04-08 10:14 AM   #21 
     - I dunno if sweet is the term iI would use n/t  azurnoir   Mar-04-08 11:30 AM   #26 
  - Hamas did perform a "coup"  Lithos   Mar-04-08 01:02 PM   #29 
     - Did you read the article?  ProgressiveMuslim   Mar-04-08 02:34 PM   #32 
        - Actually yes I did  Lithos   Mar-04-08 03:25 PM   #34 
           - If Hamas wanted power all to itself: why in the world did they pursue a unity gov't???  ProgressiveMuslim   Mar-04-08 03:31 PM   #36 
              - Because other Arab countries pressured them to  Lithos   Mar-04-08 03:42 PM   #37 
                 - Can you source that? Because I recall their asking for a unity gov't about  ProgressiveMuslim   Mar-04-08 05:30 PM   #44 
                    - i think your ignoring repolitiks....  pelsar   Mar-04-08 10:54 PM   #47 
                       - I am ignoring nothing. I am simply stating after after 18 months of being  ProgressiveMuslim   Mar-05-08 05:45 AM   #50 
                          - That was pretty much my take.  bemildred   Mar-05-08 06:47 AM   #51 
                             - I'm not so benevolent to Abbas.  ProgressiveMuslim   Mar-05-08 07:49 AM   #53 
                                - I know you are not.  bemildred   Mar-05-08 09:38 AM   #54 
                                   - What do you think of the "peace talks" being back on?  ProgressiveMuslim   Mar-05-08 11:45 AM   #55 
                                      - Abbas has always wanted to negotiate, always wanted to talk.  bemildred   Mar-05-08 12:15 PM   #56 
                                         - How could he go forward?  Vegasaurus   Mar-05-08 01:21 PM   #57 
                                            - Why are you asking me?  bemildred   Mar-05-08 04:37 PM   #58 
                                            - Sorry! Just throwing the question out in the wind for anyone to answer. nt  Vegasaurus   Mar-05-08 04:38 PM   #59 
                                               - OK! I don't have an answer. nt  bemildred   Mar-05-08 04:47 PM   #60 
                                            - Here's a newsflash: Everyone wants peace talks between Fatah and Hamas except Israel and Abu Mazen.  ProgressiveMuslim   Mar-05-08 06:35 PM   #61 
  - Was this before or after the Executive Force was created?  igil   Mar-04-08 11:45 AM   #27 
  - Yeah, I dunno why any of it's a surprise.  bemildred   Mar-04-08 12:00 PM   #28 
  - Boy, there are some great quotations in this:  bemildred   Mar-04-08 03:21 PM   #33 
  - i thought that was rather absurd...  pelsar   Mar-04-08 10:48 PM   #46 
     - Yeah. I don't know if you know, but it echoes her response to the 9/11 attacks, too.  bemildred   Mar-05-08 06:56 AM   #52 
  - Another one:  bemildred   Mar-04-08 03:27 PM   #35 
  - Ive asked why nobody saw it coming, Condoleezza Rice  Disturbed   Mar-04-08 03:52 PM   #40 
     - She was installed before the Dems had control  Lithos   Mar-04-08 11:39 PM   #48 
  - "Kill A Hundred Turks And Rest"  Agony   Mar-10-08 02:16 AM   #62 

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