UndertheOcean
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Wed Jun-06-07 01:30 PM
Response to Reply #65 |
| 66. I am not sure I completely buy the rosy picture of Israeli democracy... |
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Compared to middle eastern standard , yeah sure its a democracy .... South Africa compared to ME standards was a democracy.
Wasn't directed military rule over Israeli Arabs only lifted in 1980 or so.
But if compared to Western Democratic standards , it falls short in my opinion
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| -Amnesty urges Israel to tear down West Bank separation fence |
bemildred |
Jun-03-07 10:17 AM |
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Only the parts beyond the green line should be torn down and rebuilt on said line. |
UndertheOcean |
Jun-03-07 10:25 AM |
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Well, it does say "West Bank separation fence". |
bemildred |
Jun-03-07 10:29 AM |
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They aren't neighbors, they are occupier and occupied. |
Tom Joad |
Jun-03-07 01:25 PM |
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Hi Tom, how are you? |
bemildred |
Jun-03-07 01:33 PM |
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'Amnesty Israel must resign' |
Scurrilous |
Jun-03-07 05:27 PM |
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NGO monitor is a biased propaganda organ. nt |
bemildred |
Jun-03-07 05:32 PM |
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If I were an Israeli... |
rayofreason |
Jun-03-07 10:55 PM |
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why not have the fence on the green line instead of occupied territory.. |
UndertheOcean |
Jun-04-07 05:29 AM |
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Israel rejects Amnesty report urging end to West Bank fence |
breakaleg |
Jun-04-07 10:28 AM |
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big deal.... |
pelsar |
Jun-04-07 11:34 AM |
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And that's because these are all areas in which Israel is operating against International law. |
breakaleg |
Jun-04-07 11:41 AM |
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intl law? |
pelsar |
Jun-04-07 12:37 PM |
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Is that not a valid point being made? |
parkia00 |
Jun-04-07 12:11 PM |
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the 67 border... |
pelsar |
Jun-04-07 12:33 PM |
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If it's a choice between building the wall in such a way that it separates Palestinians from their |
breakaleg |
Jun-04-07 01:02 PM |
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your right..it is a no brainer.. |
pelsar |
Jun-04-07 03:02 PM |
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It's not protecting Israelis, it's protecting settlements. |
Donald Ian Rankin |
Jun-05-07 06:46 AM |
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What makes you think this? |
Shaktimaan |
Jun-06-07 09:14 AM |
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Well , settlement on occupied land is illegal , so pull the |
UndertheOcean |
Jun-04-07 06:36 PM |
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not quite. |
Shaktimaan |
Jun-06-07 09:19 AM |
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Ok , so give the palestinians the same voting rights as the settlers... |
UndertheOcean |
Jun-06-07 12:11 PM |
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Well, they already do. |
Shaktimaan |
Jun-06-07 12:34 PM |
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Yeah , but there are no US settlers settling in Iraq and demanding to annex parts of it to the USA! |
UndertheOcean |
Jun-06-07 12:51 PM |
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That is because |
Shaktimaan |
Jun-06-07 04:16 PM |
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No , I'm not suggesting that , they can live there , under palestinian rule.. |
UndertheOcean |
Jun-06-07 04:45 PM |
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If you know the history behind all this, |
Shaktimaan |
Jun-06-07 07:45 PM |
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OK, but why |
Shaktimaan |
Jun-06-07 07:58 PM |
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What other alternative there is ? The UN partition plan ? |
UndertheOcean |
Jun-06-07 09:58 PM |
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Why are you thinking of the green line |
Shaktimaan |
Jun-06-07 11:12 PM |
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This doesn't look like 95% to me , what I see is cantons |
UndertheOcean |
Jun-06-07 12:56 PM |
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That map is area. |
Shaktimaan |
Jun-06-07 04:19 PM |
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So basically the palestinians are squeezed into their crowded cities and towns and not |
UndertheOcean |
Jun-06-07 04:25 PM |
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Well now you are just making stuff up. |
Shaktimaan |
Jun-06-07 05:08 PM |
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How many checkpoints where dismantled , and how many are there ? |
UndertheOcean |
Jun-06-07 05:17 PM |
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They already have the right to the vote that has the most . . |
msmcghee |
Jun-06-07 12:46 PM |
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So if Israelis elect an ultra wing party like the one headed by Avigdor Lieberman ome day... |
UndertheOcean |
Jun-06-07 01:00 PM |
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Israel has been a democracy since its founding in 1948. |
msmcghee |
Jun-06-07 01:16 PM |
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I am not sure I completely buy the rosy picture of Israeli democracy... |
UndertheOcean |
Jun-06-07 01:30 PM |
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No. |
Shaktimaan |
Jun-06-07 04:06 PM |
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1966 , thanks for the correction. |
UndertheOcean |
Jun-06-07 04:40 PM |
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Wonderful! |
Shaktimaan |
Jun-06-07 05:13 PM |
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Ok , here is is from Wikipedia : |
UndertheOcean |
Jun-06-07 05:27 PM |
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And if you don't like wikipedia , here is something from the Jerusalem Post |
UndertheOcean |
Jun-06-07 05:31 PM |
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Whats not true about what I said ? |
UndertheOcean |
Jun-06-07 05:23 PM |
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Of course. |
Shaktimaan |
Jun-06-07 07:49 PM |
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... |
eyl |
Jun-07-07 06:26 AM |
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thank you for not dismissing my comments o of hand ... |
UndertheOcean |
Jun-07-07 08:49 AM |
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Because |
eyl |
Jun-08-07 10:04 AM |
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I think that's somewhat illogical. |
Donald Ian Rankin |
Jun-04-07 12:15 PM |
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the overflights...just some info.. |
pelsar |
Jun-04-07 12:29 PM |
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Don't they also create sonic booms with no other purpose than to terrorize the population? |
breakaleg |
Jun-04-07 01:03 PM |
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yes it must be terrorism..... |
pelsar |
Jun-04-07 03:38 PM |
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the line of argument .... |
pelsar |
Jun-04-07 12:42 PM |
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So how low is Israel willing to go below intl law. ? |
UndertheOcean |
Jun-04-07 06:45 PM |
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No, it ought to do what is right. |
Donald Ian Rankin |
Jun-05-07 06:55 AM |
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whos morality...and whos values.... |
pelsar |
Jun-05-07 03:03 PM |
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Who said Israel is not allowed to respond? Where can you show me that international law says such a |
breakaleg |
Jun-05-07 03:30 PM |
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i believe it was you who criticizes all israeli responses... |
pelsar |
Jun-05-07 07:28 PM |
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If not the settlers, then who were you referring to? Who is in danger if the wall is built along |
breakaleg |
Jun-05-07 08:48 PM |
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thats nothing more than a cop out.... |
pelsar |
Jun-06-07 03:42 PM |
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I've argued with you elsewhere as to how I think Israel should protect itself; you didn't agree. |
Donald Ian Rankin |
Jun-05-07 06:37 PM |
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and thats why intl law is a farce.... |
pelsar |
Jun-05-07 07:22 PM |
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This is an insane statement. |
Shaktimaan |
Jun-05-07 08:44 PM |
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they have that right because they are occupied by Israel. basic stuff. |
breakaleg |
Jun-05-07 08:53 PM |
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OK. |
Shaktimaan |
Jun-05-07 09:13 PM |
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So, you are saying Israel has a right to occupy Palestinian land but Palestinians don't have the |
breakaleg |
Jun-05-07 09:17 PM |
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Who cares what I think. |
Shaktimaan |
Jun-05-07 09:35 PM |
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The UN Charter recognizes the right to self-determination. |
breakaleg |
Jun-05-07 09:58 PM |
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I read this four times... |
Shaktimaan |
Jun-05-07 11:00 PM |
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a few questions... |
Shaktimaan |
Jun-05-07 09:47 PM |
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please...this is really garbage.... |
pelsar |
Jun-05-07 03:18 PM |
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your disdain for Palestinians appears to be clouding your judgement. |
breakaleg |
Jun-05-07 03:27 PM |
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my disdane for the palestenians....? |
pelsar |
Jun-05-07 06:57 PM |
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The equation was deliberate. |
Donald Ian Rankin |
Jun-05-07 06:24 PM |
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and you ignore the palestenains who voted... |
pelsar |
Jun-05-07 07:15 PM |
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that's like saying the people who voted for Bush voted for the war, even though |
breakaleg |
Jun-05-07 08:21 PM |
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so then... |
Shaktimaan |
Jun-05-07 08:58 PM |
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additionally, |
Shaktimaan |
Jun-05-07 10:01 PM |
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problem. |
Shaktimaan |
Jun-05-07 08:51 PM |
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I saw a bit of news today in which the reporter said something to the effect of |
breakaleg |
Jun-05-07 08:55 PM |
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convince who? |
Shaktimaan |
Jun-05-07 09:07 PM |
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there are Ph d's in biology who believe in biblical creationism, |
Douglas Carpenter |
Jun-06-07 09:29 AM |
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Almost every ruling or decision against the fence... |
Shaktimaan |
Jun-06-07 10:44 AM |
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but every other independent--international legal body hold the same opinion though |
Douglas Carpenter |
Jun-06-07 12:19 PM |
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Like what other legal bodies? |
Shaktimaan |
Jun-06-07 12:36 PM |
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The International Committee of the Red Cross for one |
Douglas Carpenter |
Jun-06-07 12:43 PM |
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unfortunately, the PDF file (the first one) does not open for me for some reason |
Douglas Carpenter |
Jun-06-07 01:15 PM |
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It's wonky. |
Shaktimaan |
Jun-06-07 04:35 PM |
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rather over the top language.on the front page |
Douglas Carpenter |
Jun-06-07 04:45 PM |
#74 |
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