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Violet_Crumble Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-21-07 02:35 AM
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45. I'm Pretty Sure It Did...
Which is why I plonked it there in reply to yr post. Though I did point out that I was addressing what I had to say at quite a few people who had posted in this forum and not specifically at you :)

I think you've fallen into the trap of confusing the employment of different standards with expecting more of a democracy when it comes to the respect of human rights. They're two different things, and if AI were to actually employ different standards when it came to human rights violations (eg saying it was okay for one party to do it but not another) then I wouldn't support AI. I don't know any other way to describe how I feel than using an analogy. As with most analogies it's nowhere near perfect, but hopefully it will give you an idea about how I feel about expectations and why I support what the AI guy said:

There's two children who've been caught by the cops throwing stones through windows of houses. One of those children is mine. I expected better of her because she's come from an environment where she was taught right from wrong and the other kid comes from a shit environment where the parents were off at the pub every waking moment and there was no parental guidance. While it's no surprise the other kid broke windows, it is a shock that my child would, and I'm appalled at her actions far more than I am with the other kid. But when it comes to whether or not I find it acceptable for any kid to go around breaking windows, I don't make distinctions and believe they all should be held accountable for their actions and punished. That's not holding anyone to a higher standard, all it's doing is displaying a completely understandable belief that those who are well-behaved for the most part tend to shock people more when they go off the rails....

Could you point out any examples of where AI's focus on the Middle East has distorted the accuracy of how the conflict is viewed and described?
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  -'Amnesty International biased' Phx_Dem  May-20-07 01:36 PM   #0 
  - At least they admit to the double standard.  Lurking Dem   May-20-07 01:42 PM   #1 
  - i agree...  pelsar   May-20-07 01:59 PM   #3 
  - I agree with that assessment .  barb162   May-20-07 01:42 PM   #2 
  - Mr. Vidan, Sir, Had Best Be Announcing He Mis-Spoke Soon  The Magistrate   May-20-07 02:17 PM   #4 
  - Excellent!  barb162   May-20-07 03:32 PM   #6 
  - It's hard to see how  Phx_Dem   May-20-07 07:34 PM   #11 
  - NGO Monitor opposes human rights, not surprising they would attack  Tom Joad   May-20-07 03:18 PM   #5 
  - That, Mr. Joad, Compared To the Amnesty International Representative's Statement  The Magistrate   May-20-07 06:20 PM   #8 
  - amnesty admits to a double standard...  pelsar   May-20-07 10:24 PM   #15 
  - NGO Monitor makes a few questionable comparisons in its quest for balance.  Eugene   May-20-07 05:17 PM   #7 
  - I think the fact that we are even  Shaktimaan   May-20-07 06:26 PM   #9 
  - small point...  breakaleg   May-20-07 08:19 PM   #12 
  - they're called recon flights..  pelsar   May-20-07 10:40 PM   #19 
  - Speaking of attitudes here...  Violet_Crumble   May-21-07 12:35 AM   #32 
     - intl law violations by israel...  pelsar   May-21-07 01:35 PM   #59 
  - Good Lord, are you serious?  Shaktimaan   May-21-07 12:12 AM   #27 
  - The sonic booms were deliberate effort to terrorize the Palestinians in order to  Tom Joad   May-21-07 12:55 AM   #37 
  - Gaza is not Lebanese air space  oberliner   May-21-07 01:18 AM   #40 
     - That's true, Gaza and Lebanon not the same, but the fact remains,  Tom Joad   May-21-07 01:43 AM   #42 
  - You're confusing  eyl   May-21-07 02:29 AM   #44 
     - Am I?  breakaleg   May-21-07 06:13 AM   #51 
        - Do you view  Shaktimaan   May-21-07 10:56 AM   #56 
           - You said  breakaleg   May-21-07 11:06 AM   #57 
              - Do you want me to start listing  eyl   May-21-07 01:44 PM   #60 
              - Oh REALLY?  Shaktimaan   May-21-07 08:08 PM   #61 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   May-20-07 10:23 PM   #14 
  - Some Of The Points You Make, Sir, Have Less Weight Than You May Suppose  The Magistrate   May-20-07 06:47 PM   #10 
     - And Some Of Your Points Also Carry Little Weight...  Violet_Crumble   May-20-07 10:06 PM   #13 
        - Dore Gold works for me. Hell, being from Illinois, I'd settle for Dick Durbin.  Jim Sagle   May-20-07 10:25 PM   #16 
        - Thanks for proving my point, Jim  Violet_Crumble   May-20-07 10:42 PM   #20 
           - I didn't even see your point. My point (or one of them) is that I'm a Democrat.  Jim Sagle   May-20-07 10:53 PM   #22 
              - I knew you wouldn't. And what has you being a Democrat got to do with anything? n/t  Violet_Crumble   May-20-07 10:58 PM   #23 
        - at lest we have the double standard admitted to...  pelsar   May-20-07 10:32 PM   #17 
        - Deleted message  Name removed   May-20-07 11:03 PM   #24 
        - Yr going back on ignore after this thread...  Violet_Crumble   May-21-07 12:23 AM   #29 
           - and a response....for the "community"...  pelsar   May-21-07 12:37 AM   #33 
              - What's the difference between us?  Violet_Crumble   May-21-07 12:50 AM   #36 
                 - expectations...  pelsar   May-21-07 01:02 AM   #38 
                    - Deleted message  Name removed   May-21-07 01:13 AM   #39 
                       - how does one have two different expectations...  pelsar   May-21-07 02:36 AM   #46 
        - There goes Ignored talking to me again...  Violet_Crumble   May-20-07 10:36 PM   #18 
        - Deleted message  Name removed   May-20-07 10:45 PM   #21 
        - Relating to differing standards of human rights.  DrewL   May-21-07 12:05 AM   #26 
        - Amnesty International doesn't have different standards...  Violet_Crumble   May-21-07 12:12 AM   #28 
           - what to argue?...the guy admits it...  pelsar   May-21-07 12:25 AM   #30 
           - He EXPECTS democratic states to abide by a higher standard of respect...  Violet_Crumble   May-21-07 12:32 AM   #31 
              - expect?  pelsar   May-21-07 12:42 AM   #34 
                 - They expect democratic countries to respect human rights more than nondemocratic ones...  Violet_Crumble   May-21-07 12:48 AM   #35 
                    - and that is wrong  pelsar   May-21-07 02:45 AM   #47 
           - I think part of the obvious flaw of the NGO Monitor attack on human rights  Tom Joad   May-21-07 01:23 AM   #41 
        - None Of This, Ms. Crumble, Addresses Any Portion Of My Comments  The Magistrate   May-21-07 01:58 AM   #43 
        - I'm Pretty Sure It Did...  Violet_Crumble   May-21-07 02:35 AM   #45 
        - Well, as a member of AI,  eyl   May-21-07 02:54 AM   #48 
           - There's nothing I really disagree with in yr post, eyl...  Violet_Crumble   May-21-07 03:07 AM   #49 
           - I guess what most annoys me  eyl   May-21-07 07:06 AM   #53 
              - Well put, both posts.  bemildred   May-21-07 07:28 AM   #54 
                 - Well, not really  eyl   May-21-07 09:39 AM   #55 
                    - Oh, you are right.  bemildred   May-21-07 12:18 PM   #58 
           - Oops, typo  eyl   May-21-07 07:02 AM   #52 
  - so what does a double standard actually mean?  pelsar   May-20-07 11:32 PM   #25 
  - Israel and the O/T: An ongoing human rights crisis  Englander   May-21-07 04:00 AM   #50 
  - Amnesty: Threefold increase in killings of Palestinians by IDF in 2006  Scurrilous   May-23-07 10:53 AM   #62 
 

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