Tom Joad
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Mon May-14-07 01:25 PM
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| 7. Transcripts from Arab radio broadcasts all show that Palestinians were |
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told to stay. Massacres and other facts on the ground convinced Palestinians to leave.
More Jews emigrate to Germany than to Israel, so it seems that yes, Jews can live in Germany, as is right. But Palestinians, no matter how peaceful, cannot return to Israel, even buy a home in Israel, if they are refugees (Olmert has promised NOT ONE refugee would be allowed to return...in all the land of Israel, ever). Most of the Palestinian villages are destroyed and uninhabited to this day.
Why do you think "The "catastrophe" is that Israel (i.e. the Jews) was not crushed as promised"? Is that your definition of the catastrophe? Shouldn't we permit the Palestinians to define for themselves their pain, their history, their words?
It seems clear that it was the Palestinians who were crushed, it was the Palestinians who were literally pushed out to the sea.
Why can't there be mutual remembrance? Shouldn't the world recognize the suffering of all people? Isn't that a critical step in ending the conflict?
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| -For Palestinians, memory matters |
Tom Joad |
May-14-07 10:33 AM |
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There was also an invasion of Arab armies associated with that timeframe |
Solo_in_MD |
May-14-07 10:37 AM |
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Huh?? |
dave_p |
May-14-07 10:46 AM |
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Maybe looking at a map showing the British Mandate? |
Lithos |
May-14-07 11:57 AM |
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Okay, I'm confused... |
Violet_Crumble |
May-16-07 08:30 AM |
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It seems to me that if we are going to put the rights of one group so far above |
breakaleg |
May-14-07 11:53 AM |
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How is Israel supposed to make peace with Hamas again? |
barb162 |
May-16-07 11:53 AM |
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Apples and Oranges. |
Behind the Aegis |
May-14-07 12:37 PM |
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Transcripts from Arab radio broadcasts all show that Palestinians were |
Tom Joad |
May-14-07 01:25 PM |
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are these |
sabbat hunter |
May-14-07 03:15 PM |
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No, that's incorrect... |
Violet_Crumble |
May-16-07 09:00 AM |
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May-16-07 09:18 AM |
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Are you claiming that the Palestinian refugees are sworn to Israel's destruction? |
Violet_Crumble |
May-17-07 04:43 AM |
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May-17-07 09:32 AM |
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You forgot the sarcasm icon... |
Violet_Crumble |
May-17-07 08:50 PM |
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May-17-07 09:39 PM |
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additionally |
sabbat hunter |
May-14-07 03:18 PM |
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actually the palestine post tells a different story.. |
pelsar |
May-14-07 06:11 PM |
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the Jerusalem Post (originally Palestine post until 1950) completely supported the Zionist forces |
Douglas Carpenter |
May-14-07 09:17 PM |
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NYT April 22, 1948: The Arabs agreed to leave Haifa by sea as a surrender condition to Zionist forc |
Douglas Carpenter |
May-14-07 10:47 PM |
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Yes, the destruction of the homes, whole villages, does somewhat |
Tom Joad |
May-15-07 12:29 AM |
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Of course, despite Olmert's fanatical insistence to the contrary, i think a final settlement |
Tom Joad |
May-15-07 12:31 AM |
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Um.... you sure about that? |
Shaktimaan |
May-15-07 08:14 PM |
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Why should Palestinians be held hostage to the policies of another |
Tom Joad |
May-15-07 09:22 PM |
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Tom, I am in favor of a Palestinian state, alongside Israel. |
Shaktimaan |
May-16-07 02:08 AM |
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Do you support a viable and contiguous Palestinian state? |
Violet_Crumble |
May-16-07 08:47 AM |
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I'm not sure what you mean by contiguous. |
Shaktimaan |
May-16-07 11:23 PM |
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Yeah, it means connected... |
Violet_Crumble |
May-17-07 07:55 AM |
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Pretty amazing |
oberliner |
May-15-07 12:54 AM |
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actually NYT's archives go back to 1851 |
Douglas Carpenter |
May-15-07 02:38 AM |
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local library |
sabbat hunter |
May-15-07 07:02 AM |
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except they didnt leave... |
pelsar |
May-15-07 07:36 AM |
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the vast majority left and a certain number were able to stay..no one denies that |
Douglas Carpenter |
May-15-07 07:44 AM |
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in Haifa? |
pelsar |
May-15-07 07:46 AM |
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finding those figures was particularly difficult... |
Douglas Carpenter |
May-15-07 09:39 AM |
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funny thing about the israeli arabs in Pharadis... |
pelsar |
May-15-07 07:32 AM |
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about 20% did remain and some went into the countryside and returned |
Douglas Carpenter |
May-15-07 07:41 AM |
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I"m not sure i do..... |
pelsar |
May-15-07 07:52 AM |
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the figure of approximately 80% seems to be consistently agreed upon |
Douglas Carpenter |
May-15-07 08:19 AM |
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ok... |
pelsar |
May-15-07 11:35 AM |
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More fruit. |
Behind the Aegis |
May-15-07 12:32 AM |
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recalling the Nakba |
Douglas Carpenter |
May-14-07 01:02 PM |
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That was a good article... |
Violet_Crumble |
May-16-07 08:22 AM |
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